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My Take On The Current Music Game Market(This Is Long)


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IceWarm
Joined: Dec 22 2008
Location: Breckenridge, Colorado
PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 02:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I’m a huge fan of music games. I’ve been playing music based games for a long time. Such game series include DDR, Karaoke Revolution, Amplitude, and Beatmania. However in the past two years the music game genre has taken a turn for the worse. I love the Guitar Hero(older ones) and Rock Band games but in the past two years we’ve seen this genre nearly fall apart. Here are my reasons the genre is now in a downward spiral.

1: Too Many Games Too Frequently

I used to really love the Guitar Hero series. But ever since Activision took over the franchise they have flooded the market with way too many Guitar Hero games. I really enjoyed their first effort in Guitar Hero 3 as it kept what I loved about the three games in the series that Harmonix put out, the great music. I think Guitar Hero 3 had one of the best song lists of the entire series.

However since then Activision has put out an ungodly amount of Guitar Hero games in the course of just about two years. We’ve had Guitar Hero 3, Aerosmith, World Tour, Metallica, Smash Hits, Guitar Hero 5 and being released soon Van Halen. Not to mention the three games for the Nintendo DS. That comes out to ten games in a two year time frame. That in my opinion is overkill.

Harmonix is not entirely off the hook here either. They have put out three Rock Band games with two more coming very soon. Two of those games are on consoles and the other is on the Sony PSP. That will come out to five games in the same amount of time. Not entirely overkill but probably not necessary either. I tend to prefer the Rock Band games over the newer Guitar Hero titles and I don’t want to see Harmonix fall into the same trap as Activision.

2: Lack of Downloadable Content

This pertains to the Guitar Hero games, There is not enough DLC for these games. It seems like instead of supporting their games Activision would rather just put out another game entirely than simply offering DLC. There is just not enough DLC in the Guitar Hero games. One reason I prefer DLC to a new game is that I can play these new songs on an existing game as opposed to having to switch game discs if I get a craving to play something not on one of the games. I think all the DLC I have for Guitar Hero 3 and World Tour is maybe ten tracks tops. They have released more than that but compared to Rock Band the content is very slim.

Rock Band has DLC nailed and the content works between both console games in the series.

3: Song Lists That Suck

Both Guitar Hero World Tour and Guitar Hero 5 feature the worst song lists I’ve ever seen in any music based game. Activision is trying to appeal to a larger audience with these games and they way they are doing that is by adding variety to the song lists. However a lot of the songs they choose are either really bad, from fairly unknown bands, or have no place in a Guitar Hero or Rock Band game. To put this into better perspective between World Tour and Guitar Hero 5 there are maybe a total of ten songs I like. That is only ten between two games with fairly large song lists. However I can easily choose ten great songs I like from Guitar Hero 3.

Harmonix does this also but not to the extent that Activision does. There have been songs in both Rock Band games that I really don’t like but they are far less frequent that in the newer Guitar Hero titles. Also in Rock Band you have the option in nearly every venue you play to create your own set lists. It does help that in World Tour and Guitar Hero 5 all the songs are unlocked from the beginning for quick play modes but you still need to play through a ton of songs you may hate to progress in the career mode.

This is why in my opinion Guitar Hero 3 was the last good game in the series. It did feature some pop songs but they all had decent guitar work and/or a good guitar solo. Basically if they’re still going to call it Guitar Hero put in songs that use better guitar work than 90% of the songs in World Tour and Guitar Hero 5.

By trying to appeal to everyone they end up alienating the fans who have been playing the games since the beggining. If they want to market these games to a larger audience they need to find a better way to balance out the content.

4: Pointless Unlockable Content

The unlockable content in original games was good. Costumes, new guitars and songs that didn’t really fit into the main theme of Guitar Hero. The first two games had some very good songs to unlock that were songs by the bands that Harmonix employees play in or they might know about and want to share.

In the the newer Guitar Hero and Rock Band games there are several unlockables that are entirely pointless. for example you can unlock new tuning pegs for your guitars in World Tour. Now I can understand unlocking a new guitar body because that is very visible on the screen, but come on something as small as the tuning pegs is hardly going to be noticeable when you’re playing the game. Or all the various clothing in both series. I’m more willing to forgive the clothing because you can use it to customize your character but in the end are people really going to be plying that much attention to this kind of thing? Probably not because they will usually be concentrating on the notes coming at them or the scrolling vocals.

Conclusion

I still love music games but right now the market is flooded. I think these companies need to go back to basics and think about what made the originals so great. Constantly pumping out new games in not the answer in my opinion. The more games in these franchises I see the more it makes me start to not like them.


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Slayer1
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 02:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My argument for the Guitar Hero not having DLC is that you can get DLC on the PSN network for GH3 and World Tour. (I'm not sure about the X-Box Live stuff) They do in fact have a pretty large choice of music you can download with a fee or a couple test ones for free. Wikipedia even has a section on this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_Hero_World_Tour#Downloadable_content
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IceWarm
Joined: Dec 22 2008
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 03:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Still not nearly as much as Rock Band. Also the DLC for Guitar Hero 3 was pretty minimal.


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Rydog
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 03:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I agree, I have played plenty of Guitar Hero but still don't own any of them. I think it's a shame that I would have to spend a couple hundred bucks on 7-8 games to get the 30-40 songs that I would want. I think they should sell instruments in store and then let you buy any song you want as DLC for a buck or two (maybe they do, but IDK)

Your right though every time I turn around there is a new game to get, and the GH 5 didn't look like it was selling that big at Best Buy,
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The M Blaze
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 03:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

IceWarm wrote:
Still not nearly as much as Rock Band. Also the DLC for Guitar Hero 3 was pretty minimal.

Yeah, World Tour has 150-160 DLC songs and Rock Band has like 800.

World Tour has "The Touch" by Stan Bush, though, that's pretty cool. Very Happy


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IceWarm
Joined: Dec 22 2008
Location: Breckenridge, Colorado
PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 03:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Rydog wrote:
I agree, I have played plenty of Guitar Hero but still don't own any of them. I think it's a shame that I would have to spend a couple hundred bucks on 7-8 games to get the 30-40 songs that I would want. I think they should sell instruments in store and then let you buy any song you want as DLC for a buck or two (maybe they do, but IDK)

Your right though every time I turn around there is a new game to get, and the GH 5 didn't look like it was selling that big at Best Buy,

The set list for Guitar Hero 5 is pretty bad, same with World Tour. Like I said in the article there are maybe ten songs between both of those games that I like.


"Anybody who ever built an empire, or changed the world, sat where you are now. And it’s because they sat there that they were able to do it."

"Fighting in a basement offers a lot of difficulties, number one being, you're fighting in a basement."

"You're Not So Tough Without Your Veggie!"
 
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Greg the White
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 08:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

One thing I've noticed with Neversoft is that they never accept or understand the criticism against their games. People played Skate instead of Tony Hawk because they liked the immersive experience of real skating, so what did Neversoft do? They're releasing the same basic game with less tricks for more money because they're selling it with a plastic brick stuffed with motion sensors. People flocked to Rock Band because of its great track selection (including DLC), focus on music that's fun to play over a challenge to play, multi-instrumental play, and a unique style. Neversoft just re-releases GH3 now with more chaotic note charts, awful modern music, and crappy online support.


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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 11:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My guess is that Neversoft hired indie music snobs from a local community college to design the setlists for GH4 and GH5.
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 11:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

You know, for all the shit Neversoft is (derservingly) catching, I still have a soft spot in my heart for four Neversoft games:

-Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
-THPS 2
-Spider-Man FTW
- Spider-Man 2

Maybe Neversoft lost track of how to make a good game, but FUCK ALL if the two Spider Man games they made for PS1 aren't goddamn awesome.


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IceWarm
Joined: Dec 22 2008
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 11:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Nice observation there Greg, I completely agree. I want a little challenge in my games but I don't need the songs to be insanely difficult to have a good time. This is why I love Rock Band. It can be challenging but it is more about being fun.

I've only tried the Guitar Hero online play on a few occasions and it has been poor all the time. In Rock Band 2 I can find my friends and get into a game very quickly. It took forever to find games in Guitar Hero 3 and World Tour and when you did find one you would most likely get disconnected and it would go back to the main menu.

Guitar Hero has a place in my heart(the first three) but the newer ones soon won't if they continue putting out games like World Tour and Guitar Hero 5 with terrible song lists.


"Anybody who ever built an empire, or changed the world, sat where you are now. And it’s because they sat there that they were able to do it."

"Fighting in a basement offers a lot of difficulties, number one being, you're fighting in a basement."

"You're Not So Tough Without Your Veggie!"
 
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Slayer1
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PostPosted: Sep 05 2009 11:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Does anyone remember Frequency and Amplitude? Aside from MTV music Generator these games paved the way for Guitar hero and you can't even find them anymore :@
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IceWarm
Joined: Dec 22 2008
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PostPosted: Sep 06 2009 12:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Slayer1 wrote:
Does anyone remember Frequency and Amplitude? Aside from MTV music Generator these games paved the way for Guitar hero and you can't even find them anymore :@

Both Frequency and Amplitude were developed by Harmonix, the creators of Guitar Hero. I still have and play Amplitude quite a bit.


"Anybody who ever built an empire, or changed the world, sat where you are now. And it’s because they sat there that they were able to do it."

"Fighting in a basement offers a lot of difficulties, number one being, you're fighting in a basement."

"You're Not So Tough Without Your Veggie!"
 
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PostPosted: Sep 06 2009 09:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

I know that, at least in Rock Band, the character customization comes into play when you go online, as you get a good look at the people you get matched up with. So if you get paired up with someone who's got the solid-gold guitar and some shirt that took an ungodly amount of cash to purchase, you know the person is likely really, really good.

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Greg the White
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PostPosted: Sep 06 2009 12:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
My guess is that Neversoft hired indie music snobs from a local community college to design the setlists for GH4 and GH5.

Hell, you can at least find rockin-ass indie music that's fun to play. Dinosaur Jr. had some great, energetic tracks with instrumental parts that beg to be put into a game, but they decided to choose "Feel the Pain" of all things, and at least the Radiohead song in Rock Band was fun to bust out during the chorus and bridge. And that's where the problem is- the Guitar Hero songs aren't fun to play. There were some simple songs in Rock Band, but played with a group of friends (seriously, get a whole room of people to shout along with El Scorcho, and you've got good times), they become infinitely more fun. Most of the tracks in World Tour were just boring for everyone.


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PostPosted: Sep 07 2009 12:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm excited about Rammstein being in GH5, but then I could just play any fucking song I want on Frets on Fire, Audiosurf, StepMania, and Osu!. Not to mention most of what I listen to goes a whole lot better in a DOOM map pack or DOOM mod.
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Sep 07 2009 07:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Looking at the GH5 tracklist, it's not as bad as I remember thinking it was when their was a partial spoiler. I'm still pissed they put the Eagles of Shit Metal in the game though.

But I think thing is this: if GH is going to insist on being the more challenging franchise, they need to realize their audience: wanna-be rockstars who want to fucking shred. That's why GH3 worked so well - it was mostly metal, with a little bit of punk, classic rock, and alternative thrown in. And the gamers who like the challenge of the GH tracks have absolutely no desire to play tracks by bands like Modest Mouse and Kings of Leon. Hell, I'd like to think that NO ONE wants to play Kings of Leon.
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Aqua Hedgehog
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PostPosted: Sep 08 2009 12:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

Dude I just play Frets on Fire instead. You can download and make songs for it.
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PostPosted: Sep 08 2009 08:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Hell, I'd like to think that NO ONE wants to play Kings of Leon.

You are correct.


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PostPosted: Sep 11 2009 12:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cameron wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
Hell, I'd like to think that NO ONE wants to play Kings of Leon.

You are correct.

I third that motion


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