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Why Violence in VideoGames should NOT be banned.


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Poll :: Should violence in games be banned?

NO
79%
 79%  [ 19 ]
YES (if you pick this ur a douche)
12%
 12%  [ 3 ]
NUETRAL
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 24


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Stormtrooper2011
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 09:16 am Reply with quote Back to top

This is a major debate topic @ my school right now.
and i need back-up for this.
I already know there's an ESRB for that but we need facts.


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Jack Slater
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 09:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Because violence is good.

We have MUCH more to fear societally from Britney Spears and rampant promiscuity than we do violence. As far as I'm concerned, there's not ENOUGH violence, especially in the USA and Europe. I'm quite worried about the phenomenon I'm seeing of internet nerds thinking that they can handle violence when they haven't felt it in real life, though. Breeds sociopathy.

I'd rather kill sociopaths all day than be a millionaire. Though ideally, I'd become a millionaire getting paid for killing sociopaths all day.
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AtmanRyu
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 10:18 am Reply with quote Back to top

If your kids go into a killing spree because "a game told them so/gave them the idea", it doesn't mean videogames are evil; it means you fail as a parent.

Ratings in general pretty much tells you what you need to know: Whether a game might too violent or not for you kid. If regardless, you still think it's completely ok to get, say, Manhunt, to a 5 year old (I actually seen it happen!), again, you fail as a parent.

also, refer to this video:

http://www.screwattack.com/myvidsdontsuck/Final/TheGameOverThinker
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Ice2SeeYou
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 10:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

Because I'm 28 years old, and don't give a fuck what some stupid cunt of a soccer mom doesn't want her kids to play.

Don't want your kids to play violent games? Lay down the law like a parent should, or DON'T BUY THEM THE SYSTEM.





Sorry, I get a bit emotional on this issue. Generally speaking, I oppose censorship of any kind.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 10:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

As long as games are rated correctly I see no problem with putting this burden on the parents and letting them make their own decisions about how their children should be brought up.

I would like to point out how much I hate topics that conflict with the question offered by a poll.

Topic: Why Violence in VideoGames should NOT be banned.
Poll: Should violence in games be banned?

Why not make them the same or at least word them so that they are in agreement with each other.



 
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 11:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

sorry my bad


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Jack Slater
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 11:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ice2SeeYou wrote:
Because I'm 28 years old, and don't give a fuck what some stupid cunt of a soccer mom doesn't want her kids to play.


We'd be far better off if we had more cunt soccer moms, honestly. Those are the parents that your argument says every parent should be like.

Apathy is the new American disease.
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Ice2SeeYou
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 11:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

Jack Slater wrote:
Ice2SeeYou wrote:
Because I'm 28 years old, and don't give a fuck what some stupid cunt of a soccer mom doesn't want her kids to play.


We'd be far better off if we had more cunt soccer moms, honestly. Those are the parents that your argument says every parent should be like.

Apathy is the new American disease.

The way I see it, if she was a cunt to her kids by simply not letting them play the games she doesn't like, she'd be less of a cunt to the gaming public.

It basically comes down to where the cuntacity is projected.


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Jack Slater
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 12:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ice2SeeYou wrote:

The way I see it, if she was a cunt to her kids by simply not letting them play the games she doesn't like, she'd be less of a cunt to the gaming public.

It basically comes down to where the cuntacity is projected.


Well, it would seem logical that if said cunt wanted them banned, she wouldn't let her kids play them, no?

She's not concerned with her own kids, she's worried about others. Not a horrible trait, just very misplaced as pertains to this particular issue. I don't agree with banning violent games, because they're just games. However, I don't feel that the "well, if your kid does something bad, it's you that's the bad parent; ergo, your complaints are bullshit and we should just leave everything be" argument is logically sound. That would work great if you lived in a vacuum. However, we live in a society. What your neighbors do DOES affect you. And visa versa.

I don't agree with laissez-faire, because I know how goddamn stupid people can be. Unfortunately, I can't agree with socialism either, because the government cannot be trusted. Catch-22, like so many others.
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Ice2SeeYou
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 01:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jack Slater wrote:
Ice2SeeYou wrote:

The way I see it, if she was a cunt to her kids by simply not letting them play the games she doesn't like, she'd be less of a cunt to the gaming public.

It basically comes down to where the cuntacity is projected.


Well, it would seem logical that if said cunt wanted them banned, she wouldn't let her kids play them, no?

She's not concerned with her own kids, she's worried about others. Not a horrible trait, just very misplaced as pertains to this particular issue. I don't agree with banning violent games, because they're just games. However, I don't feel that the "well, if your kid does something bad, it's you that's the bad parent; ergo, your complaints are bullshit and we should just leave everything be" argument is logically sound. That would work great if you lived in a vacuum. However, we live in a society. What your neighbors do DOES affect you. And visa versa.

I don't agree with laissez-faire, because I know how goddamn stupid people can be. Unfortunately, I can't agree with socialism either, because the government cannot be trusted. Catch-22, like so many others.

It's fine to be concerned for your own kids, and if you want to create awareness among other parents on a certain issue, that's fine too. My problem is when these parents try to take the games away from everyone, including adults. That's where it crosses the line. It's my divine right as an adult to play whatever types of games I want.

I realize that what you do does affect your neighbor. But we're not talking about running a brothel in your backyard, or fishing with dynamite. We're talking about videogames.

You parents can run your own households however you want. But you sure as hell don't run mine.


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Jack Slater
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 01:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ice2SeeYou wrote:

It's fine to be concerned for your own kids, and if you want to create awareness among other parents on a certain issue, that's fine too. My problem is when these parents try to take the games away from everyone, including adults. That's where it crosses the line. It's my divine right as an adult to play whatever types of games I want.

I realize that what you do does affect your neighbor. But we're not talking about running a brothel in your backyard, or fishing with dynamite. We're talking about videogames.

You parents can run your own households however you want. But you sure as hell don't run mine.


Do note that I agree with you, I don't think video games should be banned. I think it's a stupid issue, really. I'm simply pondering about the logic and reasoning behind the arguments given about this and other issues.
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Ice2SeeYou
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 01:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jack Slater wrote:
Ice2SeeYou wrote:

It's fine to be concerned for your own kids, and if you want to create awareness among other parents on a certain issue, that's fine too. My problem is when these parents try to take the games away from everyone, including adults. That's where it crosses the line. It's my divine right as an adult to play whatever types of games I want.

I realize that what you do does affect your neighbor. But we're not talking about running a brothel in your backyard, or fishing with dynamite. We're talking about videogames.

You parents can run your own households however you want. But you sure as hell don't run mine.


Do note that I agree with you, I don't think video games should be banned. I think it's a stupid issue, really. I'm simply pondering about the logic and reasoning behind the arguments given about this and other issues.

I agree that it's a stupid issue. It's been going on since the early 90's with the first MK game. It'll never go away, but I really don't see the movement ever succeeding either, so I don't really care.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 02:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If you start banning overly violent video games, they'll just start to bitch about any video game containing some violence. Zelda is violent for some people apparently.

What I think could be made for that is to make it illegal to sell a game rated "M" to a kid less than 13 years old. The parents would have to buy it, so he'd need their consent.
But it's just a random idea that is probably full of problems I didn't think about.
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 02:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

lavalarva wrote:
If you start banning overly violent video games, they'll just start to bitch about any video game containing some violence. Zelda is violent for some people apparently.

What I think could be made for that is to make it illegal to sell a game rated "M" to a kid less than 13 years old. The parents would have to buy it, so he'd need their consent.
But it's just a random idea that is probably full of problems I didn't think about.


That's exactly what should be done, and that's what the law currently states. It's just not enforced nearly as well as it should be. Or in many cases, the parents don't realize what they're buying. But even if that's the case, it's not a legitimate reason to ban violent games. "Ignorantia juris non excusat." Ignorance of the law does not excuse a person for breaking it. Thus, ignorance of what you're buying for your children doesn't mean it's not your fault as a parent.....especially in the internet age. 10 seconds of googling should be enough to determine if a game is appropriate for your 8-year-old.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 03:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ice2SeeYou wrote:
lavalarva wrote:
If you start banning overly violent video games, they'll just start to bitch about any video game containing some violence. Zelda is violent for some people apparently.

What I think could be made for that is to make it illegal to sell a game rated "M" to a kid less than 13 years old. The parents would have to buy it, so he'd need their consent.
But it's just a random idea that is probably full of problems I didn't think about.


That's exactly what should be done, and that's what the law currently states. It's just not enforced nearly as well as it should be. Or in many cases, the parents don't realize what they're buying. But even if that's the case, it's not a legitimate reason to ban violent games. "Ignorantia juris non excusat." Ignorance of the law does not excuse a person for breaking it. Thus, ignorance of what you're buying for your children doesn't mean it's not your fault as a parent.....especially in the internet age. 10 seconds of googling should be enough to determine if a game is appropriate for your 8-year-old.

I was under the impression that you had to be 18+ to buy mature rated games? Either way, fuck googling, everyone is aware that some video games are violent, if you can't take the time to look over the box art or the RATINGS STAMP, then you suck at life.
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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 03:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ice2SeeYou wrote:
"Ignorantia juris non excusat." Ignorance of the law does not excuse a person for breaking it.


I've always despised that saying. If you didn't know it was a law, how is it your fault if you break it unknowingly? You had no ill intent as far as the law goes. Things like that are why I much prefer common law to statutory. There's more common sense in common law, haha.

Legally of course, it's absolutely true. But morally, ethically?

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Thus, ignorance of what you're buying for your children doesn't mean it's not your fault as a parent.....especially in the internet age. 10 seconds of googling should be enough to determine if a game is appropriate for your 8-year-old.


True. It all comes back to apathy.
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Ice2SeeYou
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Jack Slater wrote:
Ice2SeeYou wrote:
"Ignorantia juris non excusat." Ignorance of the law does not excuse a person for breaking it.


I've always despised that saying. If you didn't know it was a law, how is it your fault if you break it unknowingly? You had no ill intent as far as the law goes. Things like that are why I much prefer common law to statutory. There's more common sense in common law, haha.

Legally of course, it's absolutely true. But morally, ethically?

I am by no means a legal expert, but I think this is essentially a legal safety net so that people can't get away with crimes by playing dumb. "You didn't know it was illegal to rob that bank? Well, tough shit." But realistically, I agree with you. If you didn't know there was a 200-year old law on the books about wearing bluejeans at 12PM on the East Side of town, you shouldn't get busted for that.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 04:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

These are all great opinions but I also need verifiable facts so i can cite them


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lavalarva wrote:

What I think could be made for that is to make it illegal to sell a game rated "M" to a kid less than 13 years old. The parents would have to buy it, so he'd need their consent.
But it's just a random idea that is probably full of problems I didn't think about.
It's not a bad idea, that's what they do where I live. You actually need to have ID showing you're 17 to buy M rated games, or have a parent's consent.


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PostPosted: Sep 01 2009 04:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

StormTrooper2011 wrote:
These are all great opinions but I also need verifiable facts so i can cite them


Video Games And Violence: Are Studies Biased?

Study: Violent crime caused by family violence, not videogames

It should be added however, that most of the so-called "studies" are far fom reliable because vague results leave them wide open for interpretation, usually from people of the Jack Thompson category.

Take for instance the following:

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Children who play violent video games experience an increase in physiological signs of aggression. According to the authors behind the meta-analysis, when young people are playing a violent video game, their blood pressure and heart rate increases, and "fight or flight" hormones like adrenaline flood the brain. The same thing happens when people are in an actual, physical fight. One study even showed a difference in physical arousal between a bloody version of "Mortal Kombat" (a fight-to-the-death game) and a version with the blood turned off.


Salzarah! They discovered that games can get you aggresive!

Or that people can get tense.

Let's face it, you can probably get those same kind of results from people stuck in traffic or stuck in a crappy job.
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PostPosted: Sep 02 2009 01:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

This reminds me of a parody blog I wanted to start from the prespective of some retarded soccer mom who can't raise her kid.
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PostPosted: Sep 03 2009 11:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

this is all the info i need for now
and i thank the participants for
thier contributions


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