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Jack Slater
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| If you're going to make the claim that this movie is "brilliant" and that we're all apparently missing the point of it, I'd definitely like to hear an explaination. |
No prob. This will be a very basic outline of what I think the film COULD mean. It's certainly what seemed the most obvious to me after researching a bit. The film was made by an Afrikaaner expat, who was forced to leave South Africa around the age of 10 due to the country changing. He still kept tabs on his homeland, and watched how it evolved from what he knew as a child. Any slightly-deeper-than-cursory investigation on South Africa will tell you it's turned out. This is partly why it is set in Johannesburg. Bear in mind that an Afrikaaner made this movie, and it will make more sense.
Firstly, the mother ship was basically being run by one set of aliens, who piloted and kept things running ship-shape, with the other set of aliens being basically drones for slave labor. My personal theory as to why the ship just stopped over earth is that the drone-class rebelled and killed most of the smarter aliens(re: the pilot class,) but it could just as easily have been an illness that overtook the pilot class, or internal squabbles amongst said class. At any rate, the pilot class was unable to keep the ship running and were forced to evacuate, hence the escape pod dropping. They left the drones on board, and left to their own devices, without any intelligence or guidance, they were basically helpless and left to starve to death. Hence, the drones being huddled around fires and the like when the humans finally enter the ship.
The drones are simple-minded, violent, and without drive or ambition(this is stated almost verbatim in the film.) They cannot function on their own, except on a very basic level. They cannot even grasp the fact that with the weapons they possess, they could easily command respect from the humans. They barely seem able to use them, for that matter. They are more content to trade them to humans in exchange for some temporary gratification(the addictive cat food.) They don't really even rebel against their rather unpleasant(to my eyes at least) situation.
However, there is one alien from the pilot class still alive. Chris. Well, along with his son. These are the only two green aliens you will see in the entire film, until the very end. Every other alien is red, brown, or yellow. This is a very important part. Chris is intelligent, he is driven. Chris is not content to live in some refugee camp. He wishes to return to his home, to what he knew, and he has the knowledge and intelligence to do so.
Now, the thesis of this film, you may agree or disagree with it. Hell, I can almost guarantee you'll disagree with it, but that's alright. Nevertheless, this is what I saw almost screamed at the viewer:
The drones are the Africans. Chris is the Afrikaaner.
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So my other boss saw this this weekend and said it was brilliant, but for COMPLETELY different reasons than anyone here has. In fact, I don't think it's even been so much as mentioned here, but he said that the movie is a black comedy and is in no way supposed to be a serious look at apartheid. I'm curious what everyone who thought it was poignantly brilliant thought regarding that, as it certainly makes MUCH more sense than it being a serious film.
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Jack Slater
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| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| So my other boss saw this this weekend and said it was brilliant, but for COMPLETELY different reasons than anyone here has. In fact, I don't think it's even been so much as mentioned here, but he said that the movie is a black comedy and is in no way supposed to be a serious look at apartheid. I'm curious what everyone who thought it was poignantly brilliant thought regarding that, as it certainly makes MUCH more sense than it being a serious film. |
That's an interesting take on it, and I'll be honest, I hadn't even thought of that.
However, considering the interviews that the director has given regarding the film, I don't think it's very likely.
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| Jack Slater wrote: |
No prob. This will be a very basic outline of what I think the film COULD mean. It's certainly what seemed the most obvious to me after researching a bit. The film was made by an Afrikaaner expat, who was forced to leave South Africa around the age of 10 due to the country changing. He still kept tabs on his homeland, and watched how it evolved from what he knew as a child. Any slightly-deeper-than-cursory investigation on South Africa will tell you it's turned out. This is partly why it is set in Johannesburg. Bear in mind that an Afrikaaner made this movie, and it will make more sense.
Firstly, the mother ship was basically being run by one set of aliens, who piloted and kept things running ship-shape, with the other set of aliens being basically drones for slave labor. My personal theory as to why the ship just stopped over earth is that the drone-class rebelled and killed most of the smarter aliens(re: the pilot class,) but it could just as easily have been an illness that overtook the pilot class, or internal squabbles amongst said class. At any rate, the pilot class was unable to keep the ship running and were forced to evacuate, hence the escape pod dropping. They left the drones on board, and left to their own devices, without any intelligence or guidance, they were basically helpless and left to starve to death. Hence, the drones being huddled around fires and the like when the humans finally enter the ship.
The drones are simple-minded, violent, and without drive or ambition(this is stated almost verbatim in the film.) They cannot function on their own, except on a very basic level. They cannot even grasp the fact that with the weapons they possess, they could easily command respect from the humans. They barely seem able to use them, for that matter. They are more content to trade them to humans in exchange for some temporary gratification(the addictive cat food.) They don't really even rebel against their rather unpleasant(to my eyes at least) situation.
However, there is one alien from the pilot class still alive. Chris. Well, along with his son. These are the only two green aliens you will see in the entire film, until the very end. Every other alien is red, brown, or yellow. This is a very important part. Chris is intelligent, he is driven. Chris is not content to live in some refugee camp. He wishes to return to his home, to what he knew, and he has the knowledge and intelligence to do so.
Now, the thesis of this film, you may agree or disagree with it. Hell, I can almost guarantee you'll disagree with it, but that's alright. Nevertheless, this is what I saw almost screamed at the viewer:
The drones are the Africans. Chris is the Afrikaaner. |
Notice also that Chris's original plan is to leave the planet with just his son and that one alien who was helping him. After his ally dies, Chris plans to get the rocket fuel with Wikus and leave the planet alone with his son. He had absolutely no problem with leaving the other Prawns behind to fend for themselves and live in the squalor of government-funded slums. Then he sees the full extent of the MNU experiments, and his plan changes. He begins to feel guilty, and alters his plan to include a rescue mission.
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| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| So my other boss saw this this weekend and said it was brilliant, but for COMPLETELY different reasons than anyone here has. In fact, I don't think it's even been so much as mentioned here, but he said that the movie is a black comedy and is in no way supposed to be a serious look at apartheid. I'm curious what everyone who thought it was poignantly brilliant thought regarding that, as it certainly makes MUCH more sense than it being a serious film. |
That's an interesting take on it, and I'll be honest, I hadn't even thought of that.
However, considering the interviews that the director has given regarding the film, I don't think it's very likely. |
it is rather satirical. but not in the obvious abrams & zucker satire. so, as a black comedy, it makes perfect sense
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| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| So my other boss saw this this weekend and said it was brilliant, but for COMPLETELY different reasons than anyone here has. In fact, I don't think it's even been so much as mentioned here, but he said that the movie is a black comedy and is in no way supposed to be a serious look at apartheid. I'm curious what everyone who thought it was poignantly brilliant thought regarding that, as it certainly makes MUCH more sense than it being a serious film. |
That's an interesting take on it, and I'll be honest, I hadn't even thought of that.
However, considering the interviews that the director has given regarding the film, I don't think it's very likely. |
it is rather satirical. but not in the obvious abrams & zucker satire. so, as a black comedy, it makes perfect sense |
The comparison that my boss made was to Slaughter House 5. I haven't seen the movie so I have no idea how accurate it is.
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| Jack Slater wrote: |
| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| So my other boss saw this this weekend and said it was brilliant, but for COMPLETELY different reasons than anyone here has. In fact, I don't think it's even been so much as mentioned here, but he said that the movie is a black comedy and is in no way supposed to be a serious look at apartheid. I'm curious what everyone who thought it was poignantly brilliant thought regarding that, as it certainly makes MUCH more sense than it being a serious film. |
That's an interesting take on it, and I'll be honest, I hadn't even thought of that.
However, considering the interviews that the director has given regarding the film, I don't think it's very likely. |
it is rather satirical. but not in the obvious abrams & zucker satire. so, as a black comedy, it makes perfect sense |
I would agree with that. There are certainly "serious" parts that seem to be quite intentionally funny. But I would still argue that the overall thrust of the movie is not intended to be comic--if that was the case, I doubt they would spend as much time as they did developing Wikus and Christopher as such sympathetic characters. For example, while I understand that some people might find Wikus's phone calls with his girlfriend cliche for the fact that that sort of thing is overdone in action movies, I think the way it was handled and written was quite realistic, and genuinely moving, as were his interactions with Christopher.
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| I would agree with that. There are certainly "serious" parts that seem to be quite intentionally funny. But I would still argue that the overall thrust of the movie is not intended to be comic--if that was the case, I doubt they would spend as much time as they did developing Wikus and Christopher as such sympathetic characters. |
If the overall thrust of the movie was to be serious, why would they have chosen to have the prawns addicted to cat food instead of something like sugar or actual drugs that would come off as far less silly? Also, when they wanted to turn the public against Wikus why would they show doctored pictures of him fucking a prawn instead of just conspiring with them in some way? (Perhaps him and a prawn killing a human)
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Well, I guess that depends on what you call the overall thrust of the movie. Like I said, I saw the movie as serious with elements intended to be comic. The cat food/porn thing were two of the elements I considered deliberately funny. But the overall thrust of the movie--that is, the subjugation of the prawns by humans, and the way both Wikus and Christopher had to overcome their prejudice in order to work together, seemed anything but funny.
Of course, there was that stuff where they flayed prawns alive. And the part where they tortured Wikus in order to learn more about his DNA and shit. Oh, and the part where he was begging and pleading not to be forced to kill that prawn. Or the part where we finally see Wikus' change of heart in action, and he essentially (thinks he is about to) sacrifice his life and/or his chance at being human again in order to save a species that he heretofore looked on as not much better than animal. Absolutely hilarious, amirite?
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| username wrote: |
| Jack Slater wrote: |
| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| So my other boss saw this this weekend and said it was brilliant, but for COMPLETELY different reasons than anyone here has. In fact, I don't think it's even been so much as mentioned here, but he said that the movie is a black comedy and is in no way supposed to be a serious look at apartheid. I'm curious what everyone who thought it was poignantly brilliant thought regarding that, as it certainly makes MUCH more sense than it being a serious film. |
That's an interesting take on it, and I'll be honest, I hadn't even thought of that.
However, considering the interviews that the director has given regarding the film, I don't think it's very likely. |
it is rather satirical. but not in the obvious abrams & zucker satire. so, as a black comedy, it makes perfect sense |
The comparison that my boss made was to Slaughter House 5. I haven't seen the movie so I have no idea how accurate it is. |
Slaughter House Five was a book before it was a movie and the book was better, let's hear the comparison, I'll see if it makes sense to me anyway.
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Well, I guess that depends on what you call the overall thrust of the movie. Like I said, I saw the movie as serious with elements intended to be comic. The cat food/porn thing were two of the elements I considered deliberately funny. But the overall thrust of the movie--that is, the subjugation of the prawns by humans, and the way both Wikus and Christopher had to overcome their prejudice in order to work together, seemed anything but funny.
Of course, there was that stuff where they flayed prawns alive. And the part where they tortured Wikus in order to learn more about his DNA and shit. Oh, and the part where he was begging and pleading not to be forced to kill that prawn. Or the part where we finally see Wikus' change of heart in action, and he essentially (thinks he is about to) sacrifice his life and/or his chance at being human again in order to save a species that he heretofore looked on as not much better than animal. Absolutely hilarious, amirite? |
You left out all the shit the Prauns did, which was not very savory. Bad juju all around. I think it's important to draw a distinction between the Prauns and Chris, because it was a pretty huge difference.
Something important of note is that it was not humans per se that were so cruel to the drones(all of the humans found them a nuisance, but it was only those Nigerians that wanted to fucking EAT THEM,) but MNU, the multi-national corporation/de facto government. MNU profited from the aliens being there, and only more so if they could harness their technology.
That should tell you something even further about what the message of the film is.
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An excellent point, Jack. Thank you.
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^ The one thing on there that really, really truly bugs me is that Wikus knew the code to the secret lab when he and Chris broke back into it. I think that was the only time in the movie I was actually removed from the action and had to say "wtf!" It makes no sense at all lol.
And yet, it is still awesome. I forgot the whole thing three seconds later. That's the sign (to me) of a good movie.
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It's funny how the writer mentioned all those problems, and I'm pretty sure that's not even half of the stuff that doesn't make sense in the movie.
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since DJ is the resident 'i hate everything about D9:'
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No District 9 Sequel Until Jackson & Blomkamp Are Ready
Isn't weird that even though a movie makes lots of money and is considered a huge success, no one wants to see a sequel. And yet movies that barely make any money somehow get sequels that no one wants (e.g. Ghost Rider)? Well, the good news is that we probably won't see a District 9 sequel for a few years. That's good because I don't want a sequel to be rushed into production. But it's also bad because I'd actually like to see them make District 10 at some point. Over on Deadline Hollywood, Nikki Finke has a new update saying, basically, that Neill Blomkamp and Peter Jackson won't come back unless (or until) they figure out a story.
But those close to producer Peter Jackson and director Neill Blomkamp say only it may happen "at some point" when the duo "figure out what the story is and organize their respective schedules". (Peter is booked, and Neil is very much in demand now.) |
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/11/02/no-district-9-sequel-until-jackson-blomkamp-are-both-ready/
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http://current.com/items/91364542_no-district-9-sequel-until-jackson-blomkamp-are-ready.htm (only because i like the comments)
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This movie took lot of time to get to cinemas in my place, but I got to see it on Saturday. I'd like to say a lot of things about it, but most of them were already sayed (I'm so late). I'll just add that in a piece of art not everything has to be given away in a plate (Hollywood does, and sometimes we forgot to think for ourselves). SDome thing you have to complete with your mind or your imagination. Some answers to this "questions" (we can call them plotholes) may sound like excuses, but they are actually pieces of the story that the viewer should complete alone. I'm sorry if you can't make anything out just by yourself, but don't worry, we are here to think for you.
Anyways, I'll tell you what I think of the movie:
The plot is awesome. The movie itself is...I don't wanna say a piece of crap but....maybe Peter Jackson should have directed it himself lol.
Another opinion: I told my girlfriend that soe parts in the documentary looked pretty shitty and unrealistic. She told me that that was satire, and now I think she might be right. I didn't realized what it wass, if it was a satire, my bad I guess.
Also, Anybody saw the short movie by blomkamp in wich this is based?? Youtube it yourself, It's called Alive in Joburg and is just 6 minutes long.
Also also: Here's a caption of minute 23. You can see the MNU seal in this ugly prawn's head
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