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Posted: Aug 27 2009 12:39 am

FNJ wrote:

the big problem with the N64 is that it's games, albeit awesome at the time, don't age very well.

First, I like finding the hidden Black and White Yoshis and the way the game is animated is fairly interesting.

Anyways, The same problem plagues a majority of PS1 games, its a symptom of the generation.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 27 2009 12:41 am

FNJ wrote:

UsaSatsui wrote:

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I'm not gonna bother arguing in defense for the N64. It's not worth it, even if Knyte is dead wrong about the N64 being Nintendo's worst console.

I don't know how you could argue otherwise. In a series of very good consoles, the N64 is easily the weakest link.

virtual boy.

I don't think we're counting that. It was more of a handheld.

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my ass that thing was a hand held!

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 27 2009 01:00 am

FNJ wrote:

my ass that thing was a hand held!

Three things:

1) You hold it in your hand. You don't hook it up to a TV. Therefore, I'd call it a handheld.
2) Knyte said he wasn't counting it in the op, so I'm not either.
3) If we did count it...too fucking easy. It's like picking on the retarded kid.

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all I'm sayin' is that the thing was such a momentous failure that:

1)it stretches across all borders and boundaries in it's suckitude.
2)wether you count it or not, it's always there, lurking in the shadows.
3)if you DON'T count it, who will? it will go unchecked, regaining it's malevolent power.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 27 2009 01:20 am

FNJ wrote:

1)it stretches across all borders and boundaries in it's suckitude.

I agree. Looking at the list of all-time video game flops, it should be on the list. Also, it should be on any list of worst all-time anythings.

TV show flops? Virtual Boy should be on that list. Cooking disasters? Virtual Boy is at #7 on that list. Top 10 Ugliest Russian Women? Yeah, should be there too.

Posted: Aug 27 2009 01:52 am

UsaSatsui wrote:

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I'm not gonna bother arguing in defense for the N64. It's not worth it, even if Knyte is dead wrong about the N64 being Nintendo's worst console.

I don't know how you could argue otherwise. In a series of very good consoles, the N64 is easily the weakest link.

I thought the Gamecube was the weakest link. It seemed to be hated by everyone.

Posted: Aug 27 2009 02:44 am

Ky-Guy wrote:

UsaSatsui wrote:

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I'm not gonna bother arguing in defense for the N64. It's not worth it, even if Knyte is dead wrong about the N64 being Nintendo's worst console.

I don't know how you could argue otherwise. In a series of very good consoles, the N64 is easily the weakest link.

I thought the Gamecube was the weakest link. It seemed to be hated by everyone.

That's only what it looks like on the surface.

For the most part, I like the first-party Nintendo games on the N64 more than the Gamecube. Zelda is better, Mario is better (don't get me wrong I thought Sunshine was awesome), Starfox is much better, also MK64 was better IMO.

I the only Nintendo made Gamecube game that I thought was superior and played into the ground was Smash Melee.

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UsaSatsui wrote:

FNJ wrote:

1)it stretches across all borders and boundaries in it's suckitude.

I agree. Looking at the list of all-time video game flops, it should be on the list. Also, it should be on any list of worst all-time anythings.

TV show flops? Virtual Boy should be on that list. Cooking disasters? Virtual Boy is at #7 on that list. Top 10 Ugliest Russian Women? Yeah, should be there too.

precisely my point. whether we want to acknowledge it or not, it's still there. it's like a trauma victim suppressing painful memories. they still happened.

Posted: Aug 27 2009 08:34 am

FNJ wrote:

yeah, the PSX didn't even get darkstalkers 2, but they DID get the definitive version of darkstalkers 3, with all of the removed characters re-added.

Yeah, DS3 was a fucking mess. That was during Capcom's "Let's release the same damn game with different rosters phase".

What exactly is the difference between DS3 on the Saturn and the PSX? The Saturn version only lets you play the original game with all 18 characters, but the PSX lets you play all three revisions with all 18 characters?

Posted: Aug 27 2009 09:41 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

FNJ wrote:

yeah, the PSX didn't even get darkstalkers 2, but they DID get the definitive version of darkstalkers 3, with all of the removed characters re-added.

What exactly is the difference between DS3 on the Saturn and the PSX? The Saturn version only lets you play the original game with all 18 characters, but the PSX lets you play all three revisions with all 18 characters?

I played the hell out of that game, I think the only difference was you could unlock an English mode on Saturn.

Posted: Aug 27 2009 11:38 am

UsaSatsui wrote:

FNJ wrote:

1)it stretches across all borders and boundaries in it's suckitude.

I agree. Looking at the list of all-time video game flops, it should be on the list. Also, it should be on any list of worst all-time anythings.

TV show flops? Virtual Boy should be on that list. Cooking disasters? Virtual Boy is at #7 on that list. Top 10 Ugliest Russian Women? Yeah, should be there too.

Oddly enough, Nintendo of Japan seems to like the VirtualBoy. It is appears in the background of trophy room in Super Smash Bros. Melee in the Japanese version of the game, along with all of Nintendo's other cartridge-based devices. It does not normally appear in the trophy room in other versions of the game, but if you set the language menus to Japanese, it suddenly does.

Posted: Aug 27 2009 11:41 am

Although the Virtual Boy only had like eight games, I'd totally kill to see a remake of VB Wario Land and Teleroboxer on the DS.

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N64 is the shit because it came with 4 controller inputs. Also, with all the awesome platformers it had, it also had some good wrestling games (WCW/NWO Revenge Wrestlemania 2000)

Posted: Aug 27 2009 01:00 pm

Knyte wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

As for Saturn, it was the original home of Resident Evil and home to the best version of Mega Man 8.

You forgot about the improved version of Castlevania Symphony Of The Night, as well:

The Japanese Saturn version of Symphony of the Night includes various new features not seen in the PlayStation version. Maria Renard is a fully playable character and a boss. A new-updated sprite for Richter Belmont is featured in addition to the old one from Castlevania: Dracula X Rondo of Blood, based on Ayami Kojima's depiction of the character. This is the costume Richter uses when he fights Alucard in the Saturn version, and if the player inputs a cheat code, it can be used when playing as Richter. Maria and Richter do not need to be unlocked; they are available at the start of the game. Also, when playing as Maria or Richter, certain areas of the castle play remixes of classic Castlevania music, such as "Vampire Killer" and "Bloody Tears". When playing as Alucard, a "third hand" is available to store food or medicine. A Sound Test option is available from the start of the game, whereas the Japanese Sony Playstation version did not have a sound test at all. Also, in general, characters are more animated during cutscenes than they were in the Sony Playstation version.

Two new areas were added to the castle, the Cursed Prison and the Underground Garden. The Underground Garden area features a new boss, the Skeleton King. A few new weapons, items, and armors were also added for Alucard, such as the Alucard Spear.

There are also some minor animation and gameplay differences. The boss tactic videos in the Playstation version have been removed from the Saturn version. Also, the time in the game is based on the Saturn's internal clock rather than how long the game is played.

Is all this additional content in the version on Xbox Live Arcade, do you have any idea? I can't remember if the version available is the Saturn or the PS1 version.

Posted: Aug 27 2009 02:01 pm

No, the Xbox live version is port of the PSX version, not the Saturn.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

FNJ wrote:

yeah, the PSX didn't even get darkstalkers 2, but they DID get the definitive version of darkstalkers 3, with all of the removed characters re-added.

Yeah, DS3 was a fucking mess. That was during Capcom's "Let's release the same damn game with different rosters phase".

What exactly is the difference between DS3 on the Saturn and the PSX? The Saturn version only lets you play the original game with all 18 characters, but the PSX lets you play all three revisions with all 18 characters?

nah. darkstalkers 3 on the saturn was the arcade version, then the psx version was the same game but with some characters added as a bonus, if i remember properly. for some reason alot of characters were removed, added, removed again for no reason throughout the darkstalkers seried. like, I think donnovan premiered in the second one, then in the arcade version of the third one, he was removed along with pyron and huitzil. the psx version had them put back in, as well as making jedah playable.

the one on the psp had all the different versions of hte same characters and shit.

Posted: Aug 28 2009 12:48 am

I have honestly never played an iteration of Darkstalkers, outside of of a little bit of the first. One local arcade from when I was a kid used to have it, I never played it so much.

However, I love to use the franchises characters in the crossover games,

Posted: Aug 28 2009 12:51 am

I have the Sat version of DS3. It's fun.

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I loved darkstalkers when I was a kid. it was where we first got things like chain combos and EX moves. I also really like some of the characters.

I'm mad that there aren't more darkstalkers in MVC2, or at least more that I liked. no dimitri, seriously?

Posted: Aug 28 2009 01:25 am

I'd be fine with just Morrigan if they'd redone the sprite. It's fine for Marvel VS Capcom, but looks fucking ridiculous in Capcom VS SNK 3.

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HOLY SHIT THERES A CAPCOM VERSUS SNK THREE WTF?!?!?!!?!?

I agree. it looks bad in MVC2 as well though. in fact, ALL of the characters look like shit next to the ones that were drawn just for MVC2. look at cable next to cyclops, for example. the newly drawn guys could pass as CVS sprites, for christsake.

Posted: Aug 28 2009 06:25 am

FNJ wrote:

nah. darkstalkers 3 on the saturn was the arcade version, then the psx version was the same game but with some characters added as a bonus, if i remember properly. for some reason alot of characters were removed, added, removed again for no reason throughout the darkstalkers seried. like, I think donnovan premiered in the second one, then in the arcade version of the third one, he was removed along with pyron and huitzil. the psx version had them put back in, as well as making jedah playable.

Well, there was no single Darkstalkers 3. There were three games:

Name: Vampire Savior
Released: May 19, 1997
Roster:
Jedah
Q-Bee
Bulleta (B.B. Hood)
Demitri
Morrigan
Victor
Bishamon
Felicia
Sasquatch
Aulbath (Rikuo)
Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)
Anakaris
Gallon (Jon Talbain)
Zabel (Lord Raptor)

Name: Vampire Hunter 2: Darkstalkers Revenge
Released: September 13, 1997
Roster:
Aulbath (Rikuo)
Demitri
Morrigan
Victor
Bishamon
Gallon (Jon Talbain)
Felicia
Sasquatch
Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)
Anakaris
Zabel (Lord Raptor)
Phobos (Huitzil)
Donovan Baine
Pyron

Name: Vampire Savior 2
Released: September 13, 1997
Roster:
Jedah
Q-Bee
Bulleta (B.B. Hood)
Demitri
Morrigan
Victor
Bishamon
Felicia
Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)
Anakaris
Zabel (Lord Raptor)
Phobos (Huitzil)
Donovan Baine
Pyron

According to GameFAQs and Wikipedia, the Saturn version has all 17 characters, plus Dark Talbain and Oboro Bishamon. You can also play as the DS2 versions of Huitzil, Donovan, and Pyron. I don't know what the PSX version has that's extra. Marionette Mode, maybe. And maybe some backgrounds and music, since the SAT version is more directly based on the original Vampire Savior.

Posted: Aug 28 2009 11:01 am

FNJ wrote:

HOLY SHIT THERES A CAPCOM VERSUS SNK THREE WTF?!?!?!!?!?

I agree. it looks bad in MVC2 as well though. in fact, ALL of the characters look like shit next to the ones that were drawn just for MVC2. look at cable next to cyclops, for example. the newly drawn guys could pass as CVS sprites, for christsake.

Yeah, I bought it along with "The Dummy's Guide to Posting While Tired and Looking Like a Complete Idiot". I actually meant Capcom VS SNK 2.

Hell, I was half-expecting them to just reuse the sprite in Tatsunoko VS Capcom, just for consistency.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

FNJ wrote:

nah. darkstalkers 3 on the saturn was the arcade version, then the psx version was the same game but with some characters added as a bonus, if i remember properly. for some reason alot of characters were removed, added, removed again for no reason throughout the darkstalkers seried. like, I think donnovan premiered in the second one, then in the arcade version of the third one, he was removed along with pyron and huitzil. the psx version had them put back in, as well as making jedah playable.

Well, there was no single Darkstalkers 3. There were three games:

Name: Vampire Savior
Released: May 19, 1997
Roster:
Jedah
Q-Bee
Bulleta (B.B. Hood)
Demitri
Morrigan
Victor
Bishamon
Felicia
Sasquatch
Aulbath (Rikuo)
Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)
Anakaris
Gallon (Jon Talbain)
Zabel (Lord Raptor)

Name: Vampire Hunter 2: Darkstalkers Revenge
Released: September 13, 1997
Roster:
Aulbath (Rikuo)
Demitri
Morrigan
Victor
Bishamon
Gallon (Jon Talbain)
Felicia
Sasquatch
Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)
Anakaris
Zabel (Lord Raptor)
Phobos (Huitzil)
Donovan Baine
Pyron

Name: Vampire Savior 2
Released: September 13, 1997
Roster:
Jedah
Q-Bee
Bulleta (B.B. Hood)
Demitri
Morrigan
Victor
Bishamon
Felicia
Lei-Lei (Hsien-Ko)
Anakaris
Zabel (Lord Raptor)
Phobos (Huitzil)
Donovan Baine
Pyron

According to GameFAQs and Wikipedia, the Saturn version has all 17 characters, plus Dark Talbain and Oboro Bishamon. You can also play as the DS2 versions of Huitzil, Donovan, and Pyron. I don't know what the PSX version has that's extra. Marionette Mode, maybe. And maybe some backgrounds and music, since the SAT version is more directly based on the original Vampire Savior.

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The 3rd entry into the series has a bit of a convoluted release history.

Vampire Savior was the initial release, with VS2/VH2 being a slightly different version. There are some character changes here as well. Later, this was released as Vampire Chronicle on the Dreamcast, and Darkstalkers 3 on the PS1 in the US.

wow, then what the fuck was I talking about?