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I used to enjoy Sonic the Hedgehog... Then it started to get annoying. I couldn't put my finger on it, but then I saw this:

Posted: Aug 06 2009 10:51 am

lol thats awesome

Posted: Aug 06 2009 11:38 am

So sad but true. I used to love Sonic when I was a kid however my admiration ended when it reached farther then 93 on that timeline. I was okay with Knuckles but then things started to get silly.

Posted: Aug 06 2009 01:17 pm

Knuckles was the last decent addition to the Sonic franchise.

Posted: Aug 06 2009 06:30 pm

I think I'm one of the people who really don't mind most of the characters in the Sonic franchise, and constant expanding. I mean, it's not like Mario doesn't do it, and at least ten new enemies show up in every main game for Nintendo to stuff the next Baseball game with.

Posted: Aug 06 2009 06:48 pm

The one thing I didn't really care for was the wimpification of tails. When the series was still young I really thought tails was cool. He was a fox with two tails that could fly. When they started making more characters he sort became a really girly sidekick.

Posted: Aug 06 2009 06:52 pm

I love(d) Tails, but he is supposed to be only eight years old(I think)....so the wimp thing probably suits him.

Posted: Aug 06 2009 07:00 pm

At first I'd be inclined to agree with you but I never thought he really seemed like a wimp. With the ability to play as him in two and three he seemed pretty bad ass for an eight year old. What other kid anthropomorphic or otherwise would take on the final boss of Two alone?

EDIT: Of course that changed as the series "progressed". Don't get me wrong though. I don't hate Sonic. I used to idolize him and Mega Man when I was younger and I still think that he has the potential to make a comeback that isn't embarrassing. So far I've found I really like Sonic Rush.

Posted: Aug 06 2009 07:14 pm

Sonic was cool when he was still fat.
*Gasp*
Just like Pikachu

Posted: Aug 06 2009 07:21 pm

!

Good point! I never even thought about that, but you're right.

Title: Naunie Joined: Dec 07 2008 Posts: 1026

I don't mind most of the characters, but i fucking hate Shadow.

Posted: Aug 06 2009 10:59 pm

That is truly awesome. I love it. XD

Don't get me wrong, the new games are cool, but the older ones are where it's at. Very Happy

Posted: Aug 06 2009 11:49 pm

Sonic Rush for the DS was actually incredible.

It plays like the Sonic that Sega should have been cranking out since Sonic & Knuckles. Its fast, 2D, pretty much all Sonic and adds just enough new gameplay concepts to modernize the gameplay. Although, it still manages to play very close to the original games. They released a sequel to this, Sonic Rush Adventure, but it was not quite as good as you could imagine by the adventure moniker. With that one they kinda played folly to their old problems and strayed from some of the core design that made Sonic enjoyable in the first place.

Posted: Aug 07 2009 02:42 am

Sonic CD, while being one of the best Sonic games, also introduced the harbinger of doom in the form of Amy Rose.

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

I don't mind Amy. Doesn't kill to have a female character in the sausage-fest that is the Sonic universe. It is kind of annoying that she's relegated to being nothing more than "LUV ME SONIC." Hell, I'd settle for less.

What bothers me character-wise is that since Amy, the art style for the characters does not match up with the original Sonic/Tails/Knuckles/Amy cartoon style. Starting in Chaotix, it looks like any new character was created in an entirely different plane of existence from the originals. The newer characters are too busy-looking, straight-up confusing-looking next to the old simplistic style used for the original characters (especially whore-house Rouge and Shadow/silver).

They're also way too obsessed with the stories now (The worst obviously being Sonic '06). The story should be Robotnik (I refuse to call him Eggman) trying to take over the world through some overly-elaborate means. It shouldn't include any creepy self-insertion characters or long diatribes of the power of love or some crap. You may have some Saturday-morning cartoon action to take a breath from the...

QUICKLY PACED PLATFORMING SEQUENCES. Please just give me a character running through a course, testing my reflexes, timing, and aim. No shard-collecting, frog-fishing, God of War rumbling, or hammer-swinging crap. Impress me with a speedy set-piece, then test my platforming skills with cool little gizmos and enemies and bosses. That's what's fun about the game.

All things considered, for all the crap Sonic Unleashed got for the Were-Hog (with due anger). The day-time levels were great, the music was incredible (definite step-up from the nausea-inducing J-Pop of previous games), the art was balanced out, and it had a light, fun atmosphere to it. I'd like to see more from the same people.

Also, this has bugged me for about ten years now: Does anyone hear the Emerald Coast theme from SA1 and suddenly get reminded of the second half of "Layla" by Clapton?

Posted: Aug 07 2009 04:03 am

I'm fine with a female character, but I'm not fine with a female cardboard cutout. Princess Peach might not have much depth, but in the main Mario games you only see her at the start and the end.

Posted: Aug 07 2009 11:39 am

Char Aznable wrote:

I'm fine with a female character, but I'm not fine with a female cardboard cutout. Princess Peach might not have much depth, but in the main Mario games you only see her at the start and the end.

Hahaha, but what about Super Princess Peach? Laughing

Posted: Aug 07 2009 05:08 pm

Andrew Man wrote:

Char Aznable wrote:

I'm fine with a female character, but I'm not fine with a female cardboard cutout. Princess Peach might not have much depth, but in the main Mario games you only see her at the start and the end.

Hahaha, but what about Super Princess Peach? Laughing

http://misteroo.deviantart.com/art/Super-Princess-Peach-40193933

Posted: Aug 07 2009 05:21 pm

Super Princess Peach was awesome.

And that comic sucks. It skips from Sonic to Sonic 3 to Sonic Adventure 2 to Sonic Heroes. And everyone in Sonic Heroes had previously appeared in other titles, most of them debuting much earlier than 2004. In short, the comic is unclever and sloppy as fuck. I was hoping for a more detailed chronology and more clever criticism. Instead, I got a super half-assed timeline and a fucking joke left over from Vaudeville. Fuck whoever made that comic. Fuck them hard.

Posted: Aug 07 2009 06:55 pm

lordsathien wrote:

Andrew Man wrote:

Char Aznable wrote:

I'm fine with a female character, but I'm not fine with a female cardboard cutout. Princess Peach might not have much depth, but in the main Mario games you only see her at the start and the end.

Hahaha, but what about Super Princess Peach? Laughing

http://misteroo.deviantart.com/art/Super-Princess-Peach-40193933

wow, who knew peach was a saiyan?

Posted: Aug 07 2009 11:36 pm

username wrote:

lordsathien wrote:

Andrew Man wrote:

Char Aznable wrote:

I'm fine with a female character, but I'm not fine with a female cardboard cutout. Princess Peach might not have much depth, but in the main Mario games you only see her at the start and the end.

Hahaha, but what about Super Princess Peach? Laughing

http://misteroo.deviantart.com/art/Super-Princess-Peach-40193933

wow, who knew peach was a saiyan?

Hahaha, what an awesome gif. I did thoroughly enjoy that game.

Posted: Aug 08 2009 04:51 am

Andrew Man wrote:

username wrote:

lordsathien wrote:

Andrew Man wrote:

Char Aznable wrote:

I'm fine with a female character, but I'm not fine with a female cardboard cutout. Princess Peach might not have much depth, but in the main Mario games you only see her at the start and the end.

Hahaha, but what about Super Princess Peach? Laughing

http://misteroo.deviantart.com/art/Super-Princess-Peach-40193933

wow, who knew peach was a saiyan?

Hahaha, what an awesome gif. I did thoroughly enjoy that game.

Once again I am thoroughly punished for clicking a deviantart link.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 08 2009 02:02 pm

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And everyone in Sonic Heroes had previously appeared in other titles, most of them debuting much earlier than 2004.

Nitpick: Omega was technically a new character. Other then him, the newest character was Cream (blech).
And no, Sonic didn't start to suck because of the character glut. Heroes kind of HAD to have a lot of people in it to fit the concept. It started to suck around the time it stopped being Sonic. Sonic Adventure 2 is one of my all-time favorite games, but only 1/3 of the levels are actually fun, because they're the Sonic levels (I kind of like the mech walker levels, but I'm the minority there) Sonic Heroes has psuedo-like Sonic gameplay, but it's just not. And do NOT get me started on Shadow the Hegdehog.

Posted: Aug 08 2009 02:19 pm

Yeah, I will concede that Omega was technically new. The only thing I didn't like about SA2 were the Knuckles/Rouge levels. So fucking tedious.

And while I while I agree with your assessment that Sonic's downfall was departure from the original formula and not the introduction of new characters and I understand the complaint, I also find it kind of funny. You very rarely hear people complain that a Mario game isn't Mario-y enough, but if Sonic game involves Sonic doing anything other than running from left-to-right and occasionally jumping and taking part in mini games for Chaos Emeralds and extra lives, people get all upset.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 08 2009 02:39 pm

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The only thing I didn't like about SA2 were the Knuckles/Rouge levels. So fucking tedious.

GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING PUMPKIN HILL!

Rouge levels were more tolerable because the music was nice. But fucking Knuckles and his rap shit...

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And while I while I agree with your assessment that Sonic's downfall was departure from the original formula and not the introduction of new characters and I understand the complaint, I also find it kind of funny. You very rarely hear people complain that a Mario game isn't Mario-y enough, but if Sonic game involves Sonic doing anything other than running from left-to-right and occasionally jumping and taking part in mini games for Chaos Emeralds and extra lives, people get all upset.

I've heard that complaint about Mario 2 USA.

But yeah. I'd say it's because there's no definition of what a Mario game is...Mario games define what a platforming game is. When you create the formula, it's hard to detract from it.