Are you an idiot Jeebus? That was Mollock's house he broke into and found him dead in. Hollis has one scene exactly.
One scene that he is physically in, however he is mentioned numerous times throughout the beginning. not including him at all would have been very confusing for the viewers.
I know, but they could have just as easily left that scene out and only mention him and how present Night Owl hangs out with him. I thought since they actually introduced him, they'd go to the trouble of showing his death on screen but no dice. Maybe in the director's cut...
so, anyone buy any of those DVD's? im debating on whether to buy them or wait for the inevitable triple pack when the movie comes out eventually.
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Aug 04 2009 09:44 am
I finally saw this pile of garbage.
I can say that I am thoroughly disappointed in myself for even bothering after reading some of the reviews.
I never read the comic so I have nothing to compare it to, but the characters were about as far from interesting as I have ever seen. I still can't tell if any of them had super powers or not. I mean... clearly Dr. Manhattan did, but that was more of a nuclear fuckup than it was a mutant power.
I have no idea why any of them chose the identities that they had... was there any significance at all?
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Aug 04 2009 01:22 pm
GPFontaine wrote:
Dr. Manhattan did, but that was more of a nuclear fuckup than it was a mutant power.
Your gripe is mindnumbingly stupid. He wasn't born with powers, so he's not a superhero? Tell that to Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Batman, Green Lantern, The Punisher, The Fantastic Four, and dozens of other superheros. Even Superman technically wasn't born with superpowers. Most of his powers emerged as a result of his alien DNA's interaction with the radiation of Earth's yellow sun. I guess the X-Men are the only comic book heros you're even dimly aware of.
As far as Watchmen goes, yeah, Mr. Manhattan is the only guy with superpowers. Inkblot, Owl Man, Funny Gun, and the rest of them are essentially just costumed vigilantes. And Ozzy Osbourne, another supposed superhero and the film's primary antagonist, is sorta like Lex Luthor.
You should verse yourself in the comic a bit GP, you would find the film to be much more rewarding then. You really must only be aware of mutant heroes like the X-Men. You should know going into this film that the Watchmen is not intended to be your standard Superhero story. It is supposed to portray what it would be like if regular people put on masks to try and stand against the evils of this world.
Dr. Manhattan did, but that was more of a nuclear fuckup than it was a mutant power.
Your gripe is mindnumbingly stupid. He wasn't born with powers, so he's not a superhero? Tell that to Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Batman, Green Lantern, The Punisher, The Fantastic Four, and dozens of other superheros. Even Superman technically wasn't born with superpowers. Most of his powers emerged as a result of his alien DNA's interaction with the radiation of Earth's yellow sun. I guess the X-Men are the only comic book heros you're even dimly aware of.
As far as Watchmen goes, yeah, Mr. Manhattan is the only guy with superpowers. Inkblot, Owl Man, Funny Gun, and the rest of them are essentially just costumed vigilantes. And Ozzy Osbourne, another supposed superhero and the film's primary antagonist, is sorta like Lex Luthor.
Syd, it wasn't a gripe, it was a confusion. I meant to imply that Dr. Manhattan's powers were obtained in a way that was explained while I could not find any explanation for others. I was trying to say that his power didn't come from a mutant/natural cause and therefore I wasn't sure if others in the story were to be assumed as non-mutants as well.
I wasn't questioning if they are super heroes, rather that I didn't feel the characters super hero/anti-hero qualities were explained well enough to be understood as individuals.
All of the characters seemed incredible with martial arts, however in many scenes some of them showed signs of physical strength that defied normal human capabilities. They jump from significant heights without being hurt, Rorschach's mask, or Ozymandias's ability to catch a bullet. None of these things are explained.
My gripe is that this stuff matters in a superhero movie and wouldn't have taken much effort to explain.
Dr. Manhattan did, but that was more of a nuclear fuckup than it was a mutant power.
Your gripe is mindnumbingly stupid. He wasn't born with powers, so he's not a superhero? Tell that to Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Batman, Green Lantern, The Punisher, The Fantastic Four, and dozens of other superheros. Even Superman technically wasn't born with superpowers. Most of his powers emerged as a result of his alien DNA's interaction with the radiation of Earth's yellow sun. I guess the X-Men are the only comic book heros you're even dimly aware of.
As far as Watchmen goes, yeah, Mr. Manhattan is the only guy with superpowers. Inkblot, Owl Man, Funny Gun, and the rest of them are essentially just costumed vigilantes. And Ozzy Osbourne, another supposed superhero and the film's primary antagonist, is sorta like Lex Luthor.
Syd, it wasn't a gripe, it was a confusion. I meant to imply that Dr. Manhattan's powers were obtained in a way that was explained while I could not find any explanation for others. I was trying to say that his power didn't come from a mutant/natural cause and therefore I wasn't sure if others in the story were to be assumed as non-mutants as well.
I wasn't questioning if they are super heroes, rather that I didn't feel the characters super hero/anti-hero qualities were explained well enough to be understood as individuals.
All of the characters seemed incredible with martial arts, however in many scenes some of them showed signs of physical strength that defied normal human capabilities. They jump from significant heights without being hurt, Rorschach's mask, or Ozymandias's ability to catch a bullet. None of these things are explained.
My gripe is that this stuff matters in a superhero movie and wouldn't have taken much effort to explain.
that makes sense. unfortunately they took some liberties w/the fight scenes and made them all super strong and athletic, whereas in the comic book, their strength was more subdued.
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Aug 04 2009 04:03 pm
GPFontaine wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
Dr. Manhattan did, but that was more of a nuclear fuckup than it was a mutant power.
Your gripe is mindnumbingly stupid. He wasn't born with powers, so he's not a superhero? Tell that to Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Batman, Green Lantern, The Punisher, The Fantastic Four, and dozens of other superheros. Even Superman technically wasn't born with superpowers. Most of his powers emerged as a result of his alien DNA's interaction with the radiation of Earth's yellow sun. I guess the X-Men are the only comic book heros you're even dimly aware of.
As far as Watchmen goes, yeah, Mr. Manhattan is the only guy with superpowers. Inkblot, Owl Man, Funny Gun, and the rest of them are essentially just costumed vigilantes. And Ozzy Osbourne, another supposed superhero and the film's primary antagonist, is sorta like Lex Luthor.
Syd, it wasn't a gripe, it was a confusion. I meant to imply that Dr. Manhattan's powers were obtained in a way that was explained while I could not find any explanation for others. I was trying to say that his power didn't come from a mutant/natural cause and therefore I wasn't sure if others in the story were to be assumed as non-mutants as well.
I wasn't questioning if they are super heroes, rather that I didn't feel the characters super hero/anti-hero qualities were explained well enough to be understood as individuals.
All of the characters seemed incredible with martial arts, however in many scenes some of them showed signs of physical strength that defied normal human capabilities. They jump from significant heights without being hurt, Rorschach's mask, or Ozymandias's ability to catch a bullet. None of these things are explained.
My gripe is that this stuff matters in a superhero movie and wouldn't have taken much effort to explain.
The origin of Rorschach's mask is explained in the comic book.
To answer your other question, outside of Ozy catching the bullet (that happens in the book as well), that is just Zack Snyder being flashy and trying to make the few action sequences more entertaining for the theater. Like I said, I really suggest reading the whole comic, the film becomes like 10 times better, at least IMO.
You say it was not a gripe GP, but in your first sentence you described it as a pile of garbage. In your later post you make it seem as though you were not insulting the movie. You were.
It's not a movie for everyone, and if you don't like it, that is completely fine. I did. I have heard people who religiously masturbate to the graphic novel say how terrible the movie was and that's fine too. I read it first, then watched it and had an extremely enjoyable experience.
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Aug 04 2009 06:49 pm
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You say it was not a gripe GP, but in your first sentence you described it as a pile of garbage. In your later post you make it seem as though you were not insulting the movie. You were.
It's not a movie for everyone, and if you don't like it, that is completely fine. I did. I have heard people who religiously masturbate to the graphic novel say how terrible the movie was and that's fine too. I read it first, then watched it and had an extremely enjoyable experience.
I watched it, read it, then watched it again and loved it.
I didn't have any interest in the comic, but heard a lot about the movie and thought it looked cool enough to watch.
I watched it, I loved it and I've read 8 of the comic books/graphic novels. I rarely watch movies longer than 2 hours, and when I do, I rarely watch them again...I went out immediately and bought the directors cut.
I didn't get a number of the references, but was entertained enough to figure out what I was missing.
I didn't know anything about the series, but when Rorschach was framed, I knew that was Moloch's house and a dead Moloch...I just didn't know why Moloch was important.
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Aug 04 2009 09:38 pm
joshwoodzell wrote:
You say it was not a gripe GP, but in your first sentence you described it as a pile of garbage. In your later post you make it seem as though you were not insulting the movie. You were.
I was calling the part that Syd called mindnumbingly stupid not a gripe.
The rest of it was whatever you want to make of it. I felt very frustrated by the movie, I think that sums up how I felt after watching it.
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Aug 05 2009 07:52 am
anorexorcist wrote:
I watched it, I loved it and I've read 8 of the comic books/graphic novels.
Wait. There are 8 Watchmen graphic novels? I thought it was just the one.
I have no interest in the comic either but I do want to read it since it seems like pop culture's big thing these days and it also seems like knowing the book is a prerequisite to enjoying the film.
But I'll be damned if I'm going to read 8 books just to get a grasp on the movie..
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Aug 05 2009 07:56 am
Pandajuice wrote:
anorexorcist wrote:
I watched it, I loved it and I've read 8 of the comic books/graphic novels.
Wait. There are 8 Watchmen graphic novels? I thought it was just the one.
I have no interest in the comic either but I do want to read it since it seems like pop culture's big thing these days and it also seems like knowing the book is a prerequisite to enjoying the film.
But I'll be damned if I'm going to read 8 books just to get a grasp on the movie..
Well its one "graphic novel" comprised of 12 separate comic books.
On another note, this is badass and interesting. It is a physics professor discussing the reality and practicality of Dr. Manhattan.
I've known of Watchmen for quite a while, but I just read it when I heard the movie was coming out.
I read it, I watched it, and man, what a trip. Now I'm planning on getting the director's cut. This shit is awesome
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Aug 05 2009 12:00 pm
Miguelius wrote:
I've known of Watchmen for quite a while, but I just read it when I heard the movie was coming out.
I read it, I watched it, and man, what a trip. Now I'm planning on getting the director's cut. This shit is awesome
The comic is for sure the best. The film becomes a supplement to that, and once you understand the main plot and character histories the movie becomes leagues better.
I've yet to see Watchmen, a buddy of mine said he was going to lend me Evil Dead 2 Army of Darkness and Watchmen. He only brought Watchmen. Am I justified in being bummed out, or will Watchmen tide me over? Never really heard of the comic, and there's some naked blue guy from what I can see on the box art.
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Aug 26 2009 01:54 am
Blackout wrote:
I've yet to see Watchmen, a buddy of mine said he was going to lend me Evil Dead 2 Army of Darkness and Watchmen. He only brought Watchmen. Am I justified in being bummed out, or will Watchmen tide me over? Never really heard of the comic, and there's some naked blue guy from what I can see on the box art.
I got the extended edition, so the case is Rorschach's mask.
To answer your question, just watch the movie when you've got some time to kill. Though I think enjoyment can be enhanced if you've read the epic.
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Aug 26 2009 11:19 am
lordsathien wrote:
Blackout wrote:
I've yet to see Watchmen, a buddy of mine said he was going to lend me Evil Dead 2 Army of Darkness and Watchmen. He only brought Watchmen. Am I justified in being bummed out, or will Watchmen tide me over? Never really heard of the comic, and there's some naked blue guy from what I can see on the box art.
I got the extended edition, so the case is Rorschach's mask.
To answer your question, just watch the movie when you've got some time to kill. Though I think enjoyment can be enhanced if you've read the epic.
I'm not sure if I agree. I feel like you may be confused if you haven't read the book,but at the same time the book is thousands oftimes better.
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Aug 26 2009 11:19 am
My problem with it is.
As people are saying here you need to read the graphic novel to get some parts of it.
Why are those parts not included. If your going to premiere a film to the world and advertise it you should NOT be expected to do background reading just to understand parts of the film.
Albeit the problems i had were small things like Rorshachs mask and why "villain guy" (can't remember names, saw it months ago) has a tiger with horns. WHY.
It's like watching Lord of the Rings and not explaining the rings power and your expected to do background reading to know what the ring does and where it comes from.
Then you are arguing here about us not liking it or understanding it. I don't give a shit about the graphic novels, i just wanted to go and see superheroes kicking the cunt out of people and for the record there wasn't alot of that either it was mostly them standing around pondering life.
If they are not going to fill in all details they should have just aimed it at the fans of the graphic novels.
All in all after that rant i thought it was okay but horrible as some people call it but some bits were amusing.
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Aug 26 2009 11:20 am
I think when you've read something first it increases your changes of being disappointed with the film. People tend to have expectations for how the film should be. That is what happened to me.
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Aug 26 2009 12:29 pm
My friends who hadn't read the book wanted to know the deal with Bubastis too (Ozy's cat.) Really, that and Rorschach's mask are explained with a line of dialog each in the comic and it should have been easy to explain them in the movie.
