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Pandajuice
Title: The Power of Grayskull
Joined: Oct 30 2008
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Yea, as usual, I'm with Usa on this one. He did the right thing by calling the police and have them look it over (I wouldn't have even done that to be honest; someone else's car is not my business no matter how suspicious it is), but then screwed up royally by entering the car, and trying to open the trunk with a damn screwdriver.
Admittedly the police should have filled him in that it was a bait car and he should leave it alone, but then again, how dumb do you have to be to make yourself look so suspicious by screwing around with it when clearly the police weren't concerned with the car? Did he really think he was going to find a stripper's body in the trunk, like he said and be some kind of hero?
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detective jon kimble
Title: IM DETECTIVE JON KIMBLE
Joined: Sep 02 2008
Location: Reading KICK ASS
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| I welcome that "abuse" of power if it means there are less criminals driving around my area. I'm not a criminal and do not transport illegal drugs and weapons, so I have nothing to worry about, even if the police do deem it necessary to search my car. However, if the driver behind me is packing an arsenal in his back seat and was on his way to a convenience store, then the 10 innocent cars they searched before him were worth it, right? |
okay, well that is a completely fucked way of thinking, not to mention illegal
the fourth amendment states that you are protected against unreasonable search and seizures, so the only way that you could get searched is through either you visibly breaking a law in the presence of an officer, or you forfeit your fourth amendment rights and let him search you.
so you say that "if the police deem it necessary to search my car" and "I'm not a criminal and do not transport illegal drugs and weapons, so I have nothing to worry about" then
THEY CANNOT SEARCH YOU WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE, SO NO OFFICER HAS THE POWER TO JUST SEARCH YOU BECAUSE HE DEEMED IT NECESSARY, IN FACT ITS ILLEGAL, AND IF THEY SEARCH WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT ALL EVIDENCE WAS OBTAINED THROUGH AN ILLEGAL MEANS AND IS NOT ADMISSIBLE AS EVIDENCE IN A COURT OF LAW. HENCE ALL YOUR CHARGES GET THROWN OUT OF COURT.
In fact the only time I ever got searched was cuz i fucked up and left a joint behind my ear, and a cop saw it, and searched(didn't find nothing) but luckily i live in a part of Canada that has an extremely lax attitude to marijuana, and he just confiscated it and sent me on my way... lol he probably smoked that shit too i imagine.
so YES DUI checks are a good thing, as they do have the potential to curb drunk drivers, however as was stated there can be a major abuse of power, as well as a major amount of ignorance surrounding your fourth amendment rights, namely, and yes i must state this in caps AGAIN.
POLICE CANNOT SEARCH WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE, OR YOU FORFEIT YOUR FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
IF THEY KNEW YOU WERE BREAKING A LAW YOU'D BE SEARCHED SO BY ASKING YOU IF THEY CAN SEARCH THEY'RE BASICALLY ADMITTING THEY GOT NOTHING ON YOU
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detective jon kimble
Title: IM DETECTIVE JON KIMBLE
Joined: Sep 02 2008
Location: Reading KICK ASS
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The couple were definitely entrapped.
They went to the cops and asked for help. At that point the cops should have called a quit at that location with that car. All they could do by leaving it there was arouse additional suspicion from the couple. The couple should have known better, but still, they were baited into this. |
im kindof inclined to agree with you that they may have been baited BUT they did rifle through other peoples shit(or so they thought) and they should have left it alone, its not there business to do the investigating and it wasnt even on there property so i think there is obviously to sides of the coin on this one
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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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I think the people got severely fucked over. They saw a car with keys in the ignition. They went door-to-door asking if it anyone's car, so they could let them know they left keys in the ignition. They called the cops about it. The cops were no help. So then they went into the car, looking for some clue as to who it belonged to, why it was there, and how they might contact the owner. For all they knew, someone had dumped the car on their street with a body in the trunk.
I assert that no crime was committed. If you leave your car unlocked, with the windows all the way down, and the keys in the ignition, then you wholly deserve whatever misfortune befalls your car. You should be arrested for stupidty, then sent to a state-run hospital for forced sterilization. And whoever found you car in that state should get to keep anything they took, up to and including the car.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
Joined: Jul 06 2007
Location: phoenix, az usa
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MILWAUKEE (AP) - A decades-old homicide charge has been dismissed against a Milwaukee man who served 23 years of a life sentence before new tests raised questions about the evidence against him.
Milwaukee County prosecutors on Monday agreed to drop the charge against 44-year-old Robert Lee Stinson.
Stinson was sent to prison in 1985 after he was convicted of killing a 63-year-old Milwaukee woman.
But a group called the Wisconsin Innocence Project had evidence retested using modern DNA tests. It said the results contradicted the information used to convict Stinson.
A judge vacated Stinson's sentence in January, meaning the conviction and sentence were thrown out but the homicide charge remained. The prosecutor's decision to drop the charge officially closes Stinson's case. |
http://www.leadertelegram.com/story-ros.asp?id=BKNAC3COL60
such crap. 23 years of a persons life down the drain.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
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| The couple were definitely entrapped. |
Not in the legal sense of the word. The whole idea of leaving the car there is to entice people to steal it.
If they just popped into the glove box to look for a registration, that's one thing. But they systematicly searched the car, at night, and tried to break into the trunk. Right there, you lose, and you're going beyond what's reasonable in that situation.
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| So then they went into the car, looking for some clue as to who it belonged to, why it was there, and how they might contact the owner. For all they knew, someone had dumped the car on their street with a body in the trunk. |
Awful presumputious to assume that the cops are complete morons who hadn't thought of that, isn't it?
Running plates is what cops do. They do it all the time. They do it when they're bored. If they're sitting in a parking lot, they're probably systematicly typing every plate in the lot into their computer system. If they're driving behind you, they've run your plate. And if there's a car that's suspicious to someone, that's the first thing they're gonna do (second is probably run the plates of the person that reported it).
If there was anything to worry about with that car, even if it wasn't a bait car, it would have been picked up.
Plus, bodies tend to, you know, smell after a few days.
Anyways, these people are just whining to the press because they don't think they did anything wrong, when in fact, they did. They even offered them a sweat deal (won't even go on their record), but they don't want to take it because they insist they committed a different crime (you can't trespass in a car, for the record. It's not land). It'll end up OK for them, and hopefully they watch less crime dramas and mind their own damn business next time.
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| such crap. 23 years of a persons life down the drain. |
It happens, and it's unfortunate. We've never been able to be entirely 100% certain a person is guilty. There's always that .001% chance that they have a secret twin or something.
Not to say that this guy is innocent. We don't find people innocent in our justice system. We find them not guilty. These DNA tests done 20 years later add reasonable doubt into the conviction and give valid grounds for an appeal, which is usually granted. Just saying.
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anorexorcist
Title: Polar Bear
Joined: May 21 2008
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Due to a few bad cops, police officers as a whole get a bad rap it seems. A lot of people don't like them, but they'd be a lot worse off without them.
Well, most of the complaints seem to come from the states, down here there is some complaining but no one can point to an instance where the cop did something really wrong.
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Syd Lexia
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Yeah, cops are a whole generally reasonable, effective enforcers of the law. And unfortunately, trust of our law enforcement system is divided squarely by racial lines, which is really depressing. And this won't be changing anytime soon, especially when the fucking president is quick to condemn a police officer who acted reasonably, without checking the facts of the incident. And although public opinion has overwhelming turned in the favor of Crowley, the president has to yet to offer a direct apology to him, favoring a more general apology instead. What the fucking hell is wrong with the president? He's basically endorsing the idea that African-Americans should be automatically distrustful of all police officers. This isn't 1962 Oklahoma. Cut the shit.
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Deadmau_5pra
Title: Amatuer film/podcaster
Joined: Feb 10 2009
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Just let this thread die.
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RawShark
Title: KGB
Joined: Jul 26 2009
Location: Teh Intranetz LOL
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| anorexorcist wrote: |
Due to a few bad cops, police officers as a whole get a bad rap it seems. A lot of people don't like them, but they'd be a lot worse off without them.
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I wouldn't say that's necessarily true. I mean, I think everyone's wary of certain cops who abuse their power, sure, but any rational person realizes the good they do, as well.
The only people I've ever known to really go around spreading the "fuck all cops, bro" mentality generally were high school and college aged douchebags who couldn't understand why it is they should get pulled over for something like taking 12 shots of whatever and then pushing 120 in a 45 while weaving in and out of lanes.
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Greg the White
Joined: Apr 09 2008
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What a load of crap. Fuck da police.
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Deadmau_5pra
Title: Amatuer film/podcaster
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I know I said let this thread die...but fuck it. Most "douchebags" have that attitude because they were harresed and or fucked with by the boys in blue. So the respect level for police is generally low especially in poorer areas where they love to "protect".
Why do you think NWA made "Fuck tha police" in the first place.
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RawShark
Title: KGB
Joined: Jul 26 2009
Location: Teh Intranetz LOL
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| SpraCoalee wrote: |
I know I said let this thread die...but fuck it. Most "douchebags" have that attitude because they were harresed and or fucked with by the boys in blue. So the respect level for police is generally low especially in poorer areas where they love to "protect".
Why do you think NWA made "Fuck tha police" in the first place. |
I wasn't really referring to hatred for cops by racial/economic lines, really, if that's a response to my post, 'cause that's something I've never really gone through, so how much can I really say? I mean, yeah, I can understand feeling that way in a case like that where you feel you're just being needlessly fucked with all the time. But even then, I can't imagine that everyone who has that attitude is completely innocent all the time, either.
But I was just speaking from experience when I said that. The people who I've personally seen carry this attitude were, for the most part, a bunch of upper class kids who've never been more than maybe pulled over once in their lifetimes. I went to a high school full of fuckasses like this, who thought they were "hood" because they would do dumbass shit to no end...and then their parents would come and get them off the hook later. Story of Miami suburbs...
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
Joined: Jul 06 2007
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well, being from LA and living in Phoenix, AZ for the past 6 years, i was witness to the harrassment from both the LAPD + the MCSO (maricopa county sheriffs office) and i have seen + read some very terrible accounts on how cops act towards 'minorities.' so it just seems natural to me to be distrustful of cops. not to say i dislike them in general. i actually some friends who are cops and/or security.
i agree, we would be worst off w/out policemen but unfortunately the asshole cops who are on their high horse and have forgotten they are here to 'protect & serve' ruin it for all the other cops
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Deadmau_5pra
Title: Amatuer film/podcaster
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Username & RawShawk you both make excellent points.
I'm not trying to make it seem like all police are ruthless pyschotic assholes. It's the few that fucked it up for the other cats who are trying to actual do their job without being corrupt.
It's proably because CPD is the most corupt next LA , and they do alot of dirt on the wrong people.
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anorexorcist
Title: Polar Bear
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They only people I really hear bitch about the cops on a regular basis are white middle class highschoolers who smoke pot and hate the police because it is illegal and minorities.
I can't comment on bad cops as I've never had a run in with the law, other than being at a party where the cops came but no negative experiences there really. Where I live, there isn't a whole lot of crime so I don't see cops do too much, but they are active and I havn't heard of anyone being wrongfully treated...or at least no one who has a legitimate case for wrongful treatment.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
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Police are people.
Sometimes people can be real assholes.
When normal people are real assholes, it's the police who get involved.
When police are real assholes, you're probably getting a ticket.
When a normal real asshole meets a policeman real asshole, that's when shit hits fan.
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GPFontaine
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Location: Connecticut
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
Police are people.
Sometimes people can be real assholes.
When normal people are real assholes, it's the police who get involved.
When police are real assholes, you're probably getting a ticket.
When a normal real asshole meets a policeman real asshole, that's when shit hits fan. |
I wish that there were some more finite numbers for these scenarios. What percentage of non-police are assholes. What percentage of police are assholes. Someone please hook me up with a ven diagram.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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| I wish that there were some more finite numbers for these scenarios. What percentage of non-police are assholes. What percentage of police are assholes. Someone please hook me up with a ven diagram. |
While there haven't been many studies, I'd say the number varies on both counts from 5 to 100 percent (everyone is an a-hole sometimes, and some people are a-holes all the time). Don't tell me there haven't been days where you were a total dick to people because something was bugging you.
The problem is, if you're an asshole, they don't get their computer fixed until they call someone else. If a police officer is an asshole, someone could spend a night in jail. Even if you're completely in the right, it doesn't mean much when they haul your ass in. It still takes a judge to set you free. (PROTIP: Be extra polite on Friday night on a holiday weekend, or you may not get out until Tuesday. Unless you have a buddy with bail money).
I hope people aren't too swayed by my supposed "Oh, cops can do no wrong" attitude. They certainly can do wrong, and have some serious authority to abuse, and sometimes it does get abused. It's the exception, though, and most departments do their best to get rid of people like this.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
Joined: Jul 06 2007
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thing is, w/all jobs i have worked at, i have been told to leave my problems at home. customer service, collections et. al., i have always been instructed to treat each customer individually and to not associate them w/my personal problems. unfortunately, since being a cop is a very personal job, i can understand it can be hard to separate work from pleasure.
you're pissed off @ home? its ok, you can bust some heads @ work (i.e. your beat)
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GPFontaine
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
Don't tell me there haven't been days where you were a total dick to people because something was bugging you.
The problem is, if you're an asshole, they don't get their computer fixed until they call someone else. |
I wouldn't defend against being called an asshole once in a while. Still, I have never done the worst things with computers that I am capable of or have even thought of. So I guess I'm not as big of an asshole as I could be. Perhaps there is a scale of assholeness rather than it just being an on/off type thing.
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Pandajuice
Title: The Power of Grayskull
Joined: Oct 30 2008
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| username wrote: |
well, being from LA and living in Phoenix, AZ for the past 6 years, i was witness to the harrassment from both the LAPD + the MCSO (maricopa county sheriffs office) and i have seen + read some very terrible accounts on how cops act towards 'minorities.' so it just seems natural to me to be distrustful of cops. not to say i dislike them in general. i actually some friends who are cops and/or security.
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They act differently toward minorities, especially in urban areas because a good majority of the incidents they deal with come from those races, so naturally they will be more distrustful toward the people as a whole. Close your eyes and imagine the racial make up of every prison in the U.S. What races come to mind as being the clear majorities? That's not because of corrupt policemen picking on them.
I've heard and read many an interview from successful and upstanding black people (like Charles S. Dutton for example) who found themselves on the wrong side of the law as young men simply because it's part of their culture, especially in urban areas. Dutton personally described it as almost a rite of passage for black males to spend at least a year in prison or have some extended conflict with the police. That's where "Fuck da police" comes from.
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Deadmau_5pra
Title: Amatuer film/podcaster
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Location: Chicago Area
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They could go a little easy on the family jewels area....
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Hacker
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i know im going to get chewed out for this but....
I wish that police were more likely to get fired than other jobs. Like taking 3 strikes and making it one.
Some police offices abuse their power to much and need to not be police. Either follow the guidlines correctly or GTFO
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SoldierHawk
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That would be bad too though, hack. Police get lots of bogus complaints and charges brought against them, too.
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