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Posted: Jul 17 2009 04:46 am

This guy is quite the character, but if you can look past the theatricality, most if not all of what he is saying makes a hell of a lot of sense. Your thoughts?

Posted: Jul 17 2009 09:33 am

Seen these before. Love this guy.

Posted: Jul 17 2009 06:46 pm

indeed this guy does rule. Reminds of Ron Paul *Waits for flame*

Posted: Jul 17 2009 07:05 pm

Burt Reynolds wrote:

indeed this guy does rule. Reminds of Ron Paul *Waits for flame*

I kinda wish he won

Joined: Sep 17 2007 Location: The Opium Trail Posts: 3475

Did this guy just say that America needs to go to the extreme right? Laughing

Founding principles? This country was founded by slave-owners who "wanted to be free," and probably didn't think the poor had a chance of voting.

Americans suddenly give a damn about border integrity, because the automated voice system at your pharmacy asked you to press 9 for Spanish. Waaaah Waaah Waaah the Mexicans are taking their jobs. If you want to stop this from happening, then kill your offices executives. They're the ones taking your jobs, not the immigrants. You want to ask someone about immigration? Ask the Native Americans about immigration.

The reason there's no armies of people walking down the streets is because we don't want to be shot by our armies. And honestly, that's probably what would happen if we do! Pretty much every revolution in this country came at the expense of other peoples lives, weather it was death by waterhose, rubber bullets, or worse. I can't say I blame them for not wanting to revolution.

In short, typical republican/conservative. He's afraid he's about to become an extinct species, so he screams and shouts to get peoples attention. Fuck this guy.

Addendum: One nation, One Country, yet...we've always had two political parties.

Posted: Jul 17 2009 08:01 pm

JRA wrote:

The reason there's no armies of people walking down the streets is because we don't want to be shot by our armies. And honestly, that's probably what would happen if we do! Pretty much every revolution in this country came at the expense of other peoples lives, weather it was death by waterhose, rubber bullets, or worse. I can't say I blame them for not wanting to revolution.

So people shouldn't stand up for themselves just because there's a chance some sacrifice may have to be made? Nobody in power is going to willingly relinguish it because someone asks them to do it, of course there would be resistance. It takes action to make things change, you can't sit back and hope the government comes to it's senses. Think of where not only our country would be if nobody ever made a sacrifice to change things but the entire world.

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

JRA wrote:

Did this guy just say that America needs to go to the extreme right? Laughing

Founding principles? This country was founded by slave-owners who "wanted to be free," and probably didn't think the poor had a chance of voting.

Americans suddenly give a damn about border integrity, because the automated voice system at your pharmacy asked you to press 9 for Spanish. Waaaah Waaah Waaah the Mexicans are taking their jobs. If you want to stop this from happening, then kill your offices executives. They're the ones taking your jobs, not the immigrants. You want to ask someone about immigration? Ask the Native Americans about immigration.

The reason there's no armies of people walking down the streets is because we don't want to be shot by our armies. And honestly, that's probably what would happen if we do! Pretty much every revolution in this country came at the expense of other peoples lives, weather it was death by waterhose, rubber bullets, or worse. I can't say I blame them for not wanting to revolution.

In short, typical republican/conservative. He's afraid he's about to become an extinct species, so he screams and shouts to get peoples attention. Fuck this guy.

Addendum: One nation, One Country, yet...we've always had two political parties.

"Yeah, you're right Washington, I'm sure britain will come around eventually. Let's just wait it out."

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

I hate this kind of crap.

Posted: Jul 18 2009 05:50 pm

sidewaydriver wrote:

JRA wrote:

The reason there's no armies of people walking down the streets is because we don't want to be shot by our armies. And honestly, that's probably what would happen if we do! Pretty much every revolution in this country came at the expense of other peoples lives, weather it was death by waterhose, rubber bullets, or worse. I can't say I blame them for not wanting to revolution.

So people shouldn't stand up for themselves just because there's a chance some sacrifice may have to be made? Nobody in power is going to willingly relinguish it because someone asks them to do it, of course there would be resistance. It takes action to make things change, you can't sit back and hope the government comes to it's senses. Think of where not only our country would be if nobody ever made a sacrifice to change things but the entire world.

You wanna make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

username wrote:

sidewaydriver wrote:

JRA wrote:

The reason there's no armies of people walking down the streets is because we don't want to be shot by our armies. And honestly, that's probably what would happen if we do! Pretty much every revolution in this country came at the expense of other peoples lives, weather it was death by waterhose, rubber bullets, or worse. I can't say I blame them for not wanting to revolution.

So people shouldn't stand up for themselves just because there's a chance some sacrifice may have to be made? Nobody in power is going to willingly relinguish it because someone asks them to do it, of course there would be resistance. It takes action to make things change, you can't sit back and hope the government comes to it's senses. Think of where not only our country would be if nobody ever made a sacrifice to change things but the entire world.

You wanna make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs

I'd like to crack a few of these Rand-worshipping nutjobs.

Posted: Jul 19 2009 02:48 am

Greg the White wrote:

username wrote:

sidewaydriver wrote:

JRA wrote:

The reason there's no armies of people walking down the streets is because we don't want to be shot by our armies. And honestly, that's probably what would happen if we do! Pretty much every revolution in this country came at the expense of other peoples lives, weather it was death by waterhose, rubber bullets, or worse. I can't say I blame them for not wanting to revolution.

So people shouldn't stand up for themselves just because there's a chance some sacrifice may have to be made? Nobody in power is going to willingly relinguish it because someone asks them to do it, of course there would be resistance. It takes action to make things change, you can't sit back and hope the government comes to it's senses. Think of where not only our country would be if nobody ever made a sacrifice to change things but the entire world.

You wanna make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs

I'd like to crack a few of these Rand-worshipping nutjobs.

A lot of Rand's ideologies are out there and they do attract a few pseudo libertarian anarchists who view everything as an encroachment on their civil liberties, but it does raise a question: Where do you draw the line? How much government interference in matters they've never been involved in (nor should they be) should you tolerate before taking action of one sort or another? That answer varies from person to person, usually when it affects them directly will they let their displeasure be known.

Posted: Jul 19 2009 08:32 am

Fuck it, I wanna riot. Who's with me?

Posted: Jul 19 2009 09:49 am

TheThunderThief wrote:

Greg the White wrote:

username wrote:

sidewaydriver wrote:

JRA wrote:

The reason there's no armies of people walking down the streets is because we don't want to be shot by our armies. And honestly, that's probably what would happen if we do! Pretty much every revolution in this country came at the expense of other peoples lives, weather it was death by waterhose, rubber bullets, or worse. I can't say I blame them for not wanting to revolution.

So people shouldn't stand up for themselves just because there's a chance some sacrifice may have to be made? Nobody in power is going to willingly relinguish it because someone asks them to do it, of course there would be resistance. It takes action to make things change, you can't sit back and hope the government comes to it's senses. Think of where not only our country would be if nobody ever made a sacrifice to change things but the entire world.

You wanna make an omelet, you gotta break a few eggs

I'd like to crack a few of these Rand-worshipping nutjobs.

A lot of Rand's ideologies are out there and they do attract a few pseudo libertarian anarchists who view everything as an encroachment on their civil liberties, but it does raise a question: Where do you draw the line? How much government interference in matters they've never been involved in (nor should they be) should you tolerate before taking action of one sort or another? That answer varies from person to person, usually when it affects them directly will they let their displeasure be known.

Where we these people when the government passed The USA Patriot Act? I saw no tea parties then.

But this is FOX people, so you know what they're true agenda is.

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

Exactly. These people shut up when we lost habeas corpus, tortured prisoners without trial, started extraordinary rendition, and removed increased the power of the federal government over us with the Patriot Act, but Obama not renewing Bush's tax cuts GOD FUCK SHIT BUY LOTS OF TEA BAGS I'LL EXPLAIN LATER.

Posted: Jul 19 2009 01:58 pm

Oh, and their cheerleader Glenn Beck is now a libertarian , not conservative anymore. I wonder why?
I knew that guy was a tool the day of his August 22nd, 2006 doomsday.

Posted: Jul 19 2009 02:03 pm

Sam Adams wrote:

it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires in peoples minds.

Joined: Apr 14 2006 Location: Lake Michigan Posts: 3332

Whaaaaa, terrorists were tortured, whaaaaaaa. Our founding-fathers were evil, whaaaaaa!

We should go Galt, just to see what you mouth-breathers do. We should stop capturing & killing terrorists too. Might as well let our cities burn.

We were all fortunate to be born in a country like this, but people need to criticize our history and our methods of protecting our sovereignty constantly, while ignoring that pure free market principles are what made life here so great and our country so powerful. Stop complaining and tying our hands behind our back, and destroying our economy with socialist policies that will equalize everyone with the same shitty, poor salaries.

I'm done.

Posted: Jul 19 2009 05:21 pm

Some of the people who would benefit from the reforms being proposed are the ones who aren't contributing anything into the system to begin with. Really how much do you want the government to do for you that you could do for yourself. The only thing such paternalism of government does is transform us into a nation of children, reliant on unearned handouts/"entitlements" with no concern for anything because "the government will take care of everything".

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

Cattivo wrote:

Whaaaaa, terrorists were tortured, whaaaaaaa. Our founding-fathers were evil, whaaaaaa!

We should go Galt, just to see what you mouth-breathers do. We should stop capturing & killing terrorists too. Might as well let our cities burn.

We were all fortunate to be born in a country like this, but people need to criticize our history and our methods of protecting our sovereignty constantly, while ignoring that pure free market principles are what made life here so great and our country so powerful. Stop complaining and tying our hands behind our back, and destroying our economy with socialist policies that will equalize everyone with the same shitty, poor salaries.

I'm done.

I acknowledge, along with many senior military analysts, that torture doesn't work. I want to protect a country that doesn't steal people out of their beds at night and tortures them without a trial (Can't call someone a terrorist without proving they did something or were planning to do something wrong). I want us to stop giving people more reasons to want to bomb us. You're the type of sick bastard that just wants people to get smacked around because you're afraid other dudes will think you're a total homo.

And how has "socialism" destroyed us in the past? When Teddy Roosevelt thought that people shouldn't be treated like dirt or shot by Rockefeller? Maybe when FDR decided that when a bank fails, it shouldn't take the half the country's money with it. Every time this country goes more towards libertarian ideals, we get a market crash or we lose our freedoms even more, because with lack of structure, the government can only answer to the highest bidder. Anyone who complains that we're too socialist can just stop paying taxes, stop using roads, schools, parks, fire/police services altogether. That is, until the term "conservative" gains credibility back, and they all go flying back to calling themselves that again.

This is all beside the point, though. I'm pointing out that these people are hypocrites because they'll let the government take away their freedoms in the name of "terrorists", yet protest a "mass tax increase" that never actually happened.

Posted: Jul 19 2009 11:23 pm

Hate to be a golden mean douchebag, but whether government is a good thing is dependent on the situation, so there's not really a hard and fast rule.

Ask yourself a few questions when deciding...

1.Does everybody benefit equally?
2.Is it very difficult to charge for it?
3.Would its complete absence cripple the American economy?

If you answer yes to all three, consider making it a government project. If you answer no to one, consider leaving it to American business(for example, even though the post office qualifies for 1 and 3, it doesn't for 2, so it tends to be mighty inefficient, and lost money despite being the only American endorsed monopoly.).

Government should ensure that business doesn't eliminate capitalism from the equation with things like trusts, and should ensure that no system is created where a business profits or avoids the consequence of failure, and finally that the system is stable enough that a given companies failure doesn't damn the economy with it. Strictly speaking by that definition, this administration so far is a failure, and the tail end of the last one wasn't very hot either.

If you default to business in matters of doubt, and follow the above rules, then American capitalism ensures the success of the country because private ventures understand the cost and benefits of given ventures. Government suffers from being filled with politicians, who can't really feel the repercussions of their actions, and often don't have to. The money is practically imaginary, and is spent so abstractly with such obscure benefits and costs that its like trying to move through a room blind while numb.

I didn't watch the videos, and I'm not going to. I don't need to give Glenn Beck and his ilk a chance every time someone thinks cause the broken clock was right twice yesterday I should set my schedule to it. The modern news cycle has obliterated any form of real dialogue and turned it into a perpetual self indulgent political screed in words, watched by hacks cause it stimulates the lizard brain and seems like something akin to real knowledge. The sooner you tune out this barrage of anti-information, the happier and better informed you will actually be.

Posted: Jul 19 2009 11:56 pm

People these days are just too concerned with labels ( Conservative socialist, Liberal facist etc.) tv ratings and book deals rather than the actual fuckin' issues.

Gumshoe, nicely put.

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That actually is a pretty damned good argument, robo.

Posted: Jul 20 2009 06:30 am

We need a revolution like how the French did theirs, it's time to start beheading some mother fuckers. What we need is a massive upheaval that totally shakes things up, let everything burn to the ground. Then once the smoke clears, we start again, this time with the fear of God put back into everyone lest we have to repeat the same rampage of carnage again. It's like a game of Yahtzee, you don't like what's rolled, you put that shit back in the cup and have another toss at it.

Posted: Jul 20 2009 06:53 am

Robo, thank you for your rationality. Seriously.

Posted: Jul 20 2009 10:58 am

RGS always comes thru with some good ol' fashion logic