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Cattivo
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 11:57 am Reply with quote Back to top

I need a new computer and was planning on buying one in the next week or so. However, while researching for it, I found out that Windows 7 is coming out in the next 6-12 months. Should I hold off until I can buy a new computer that comes prepackaged with it? Or will it be easy to upgrade from Vista without messing up my files and their organization? Or would it be ok to use Vista for a few years, while 7 is out there?

Thanks for any help you guys can provide.
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Ermac
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 12:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

what are you wanting to get computer wise(dell,hp,laptop,desktop?)

also the military just switched over from XP to Vista so Microsoft will be supporting it still for a long while.

Windows 7 and Vista run on the same hardware because Windows 7 is basically a tweaked version of Vista.

Vista SP2 is in its candidate release stage right now so your good man.

Windows 7 is also going to be higher than Vista was.
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 12:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Windows 7 has lower system requirements than Vista. When it comes out Vista will fade away for the most part. Expect Windows 7 to cost a little more than Vista. Full pricing details are due to be released in the next month.

Ermac is correct about Vista being similar to Windows 7. Vista is actually Windows NT Version 6.0 while Windows 7 is NT Version 6.1.

This is similar to how Windows 2000 was NT 5.0 and XP was 5.1.



 
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Cattivo
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 12:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I usually go for Dell Desktops.

I'm liking the Dell Inspiron 530 because it's highly customizable. If I get this now, I'll give it the max processor, the 12MB Quadcore 2.83 GHz, the max RAM at 4GB, and the max video card at 512MB, with a reasonable hard drive of 500GB.

Their Studio XPS's are just too expensive.

Not sure if I should commit to it and purchase it if Windows 7 is just going to do away with Vista. Maybe I should just wait 9 months or so to get a new one.
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Ermac
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 12:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
Maybe I should just wait 9 months or so to get a new one.



Wait till December if your feeling cautious. Vista is still going to be around for a while but GP is right, Win7 will take it over.

by that time the affortable Intel i5 and the newest Intel chipset will be released optimized for Windows 7.

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for now just buy you a cheap system off craigslist and put the Win7 trial on it(you can use it for 6 months free I believe).[/img]
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 01:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Stupid question, but is M7 similar enough to Vista that us PC gamers won't need to buy the new OS just to play the latest PC games? (Or is that as yet unknown?)


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Ermac
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 01:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SoldierHawk wrote:
Stupid question, but is M7 similar enough to Vista that us PC gamers won't need to buy the new OS just to play the latest PC games? (Or is that as yet unknown?)


Empire Total War should be fine cause I know that is what you were getting at Very Happy

Vista and Windows 7 are the same architecture, W7 is just more efficient, easy on older hardware to run and constantly updated.


most computers weren't optimized to run Vista when it came out, which is why that "Vista Capable" crap got MS in trouble. Intel's graphic adapter, the 950, couldnt even run Vista Aero well and they knew that ahead of time, but its all about profit in the computer world and it backfired on Intel and MS for confusing the consumer like all shit.

but Intel and MS seem to have learned from their mistakes.
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Cattivo
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 02:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cool, thanks E
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 02:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
Cool, thanks E


now I need your help deciding if I need to go get my masters in history Very Happy
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 03:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Heh, well that's a personal decision. As you already stated that you are sick of college and didn't want to finish your B.A., I'm not sure if you'll enjoy doing your M.A. I only started with a dislike of academia, and I've emerged with a hatred of it, but that might be more of a reflection of my personal style than anything (realism vs. idealism, popular history/biographies vs. esoteric specialization, political & military history vs. social history, individuals vs. groups) I just felt eventually that historians too often are writing for fellow historians instead of for the benefit of the general public, and that history programs do a disservice to students by stressing what I view as less important fields such as social history, instead of more practical and relevant fields such as political & military history. This teaching method leads to more of an emphasis on how groups have shaped history, which is directly opposed to my viewpoint, that key individuals in positions of power make decisions that shape history as distinct focal points/nexuses.

If you feel you've gotten over your distaste for the grind of college, if you think you'd enjoy it, and if you think it will help you advance your career goals in life, go for it. Hell, just going for a semester wouldn't hurt. Most universities' history programs aren't too expensive. Loyola was fairly cheap for me, compared to how much Northwestern cost me in undergrad.

Also, if you do go, don't expect to do much primary research early on. You mainly do historiographies and reviews to show you how the industry works, and demonstrate the secondary research you'll have to do for each future project and how you have to know how the opinions and interpretations of previous historians on certain events have changed over time.

Edit:

Bottom line: History degrees, no matter the level of specialty, are mainly good for two things: teaching and the law. If you want to eventually teach college and do primary research as a historian that's a great use of it. Or even if you want to get your teaching degree and want to teach high school history. Otherwise, learning the research & writing process further by doing a history degree teaches the skills necessary to write effective briefs as a lawyer. Now, there are other avenues, such as working for the government in some capacity (State Department as a foreign service officer, CIA as a political analyst, Military Intelligence Officer), news media job as a political analyst of some sort, or even a political staffer. I originally was going to pursue a government job with this degree, but I do not want to leave the Chicago area now. I might try to get a political staffing job, or go on to law school. I'm burnt out on school, though. Part of me wants to write a novel....I'm just going to enjoy my summer for right now, and play as much poker as possible.
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 03:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well after having a month off from school I don't share the same dislike I was feeling towards the end of last semester( I did really well notwithstanding). I was also in a city where I didn't know anybody and it sort of gave me a bleak outlook on life. I didnt have a car and I had roomates that were fresh out of HS and not serious about school at all.

I have had alot of different teachings styles of history presented to me in my undergrad so far, I do find that you often find yourself writing to the subject that the professor likes. I took a seminar class where the teacher also was into sociology along with being a distinguished chair historian. I naturally did a socialolgy themed history paper and he loved it because of my heavy use of primary sources from newpapers that ended up giving some good social commentary that weaved a web of natural progression into the present condition of the community I was writing about.

I just don't think at this point that I would want to be a teacher of history unless I was making good money doing so. Basically what I am asking is what your planning on doing with your MA and where can that take you beyond teaching?

Edited to say that I read your edit.
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Cattivo
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 03:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ermac wrote:
I have had alot of different teachings styles of history presented to me in my undergrad so far, I do find that you often find yourself writing to the subject that the professor likes.

It might depend on the university too. That mentality that I described is pretty prevalent, I think though.

I can't tell you how many times I'd propose a paper and a professor would make me gear it towards what he or she was interested in instead of what I was interested in. Even in minor papers, if I didn't mention what a professor wanted me to talk about, even if it was irrelevant to my thesis, it would hurt me. I remember once the professor I would later be forced into having direct my master's essay research, wouldn't let me do a historiography on Mussolini because he had just written and published one and didn't want to read all that stuff again. Instead, I was stuck doing a historiography of Italian fascism, and my grade suffered through my lack of interest. I also wasn't able to do my original Master's Essay topic because "Italy, Berlusconi, & the War on Terror" was closer to current events and poli sci than history. My backup, a bio of Berlusconi, was twisted by him more into a study of the 93 Clean Hands Scandal, but the passage of time was able to allow me to angle it more to what interested me about Berlusconi.


I believe I answered the career things for you in my edit above.
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 03:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Commercials would lead you to believe you should buy a MAC. All I can offer for advice is once you get one, try to install windows XP or a revampted VISTA(if they have one) because regular VISTA is annoying as all hell.


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Ermac
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Cattivo wrote:
I also wasn't able to do my original Master's Essay topic because "Italy, Berlusconi, & the War on Terror" was closer to current events and poli sci than history.



His possible intention was to steer you in the direction of a thesis topic that can stand the test of time for a future audience. The whole war on terror is a heavily conservative driven platform(I need to cite this right? lol). If he is left leaning like many history professors, he will become bored with the Bush Doctrine and Cheaney Initiative -going through the historial rounds- really fast. He pretty much has his mind made up on how he looks at that era in American history for awhile. Also not enough time has really passed for a historian to give a really keen judgement call on if the Bush presidency was a "miserable failure" and if the war on terror was the countereaction to something totally different. Give him the benefit of the doubt as we all get tired of the Italians This Is A Joke
as I found myself with the Bolsheviks of Soviet Russia. History is nice because you can move on to different fascets(fascists) when you can offer a new interpreation.

I have found professors like to be given a topic that really isn't popular in the mainstream historical talk of current. I would say someone giving a dedicated thesis on the forgotten efforts of Lyndon Johnson during the 1960's civil rights would be interesting. Especially if you had the talent to prove your thesis through the sources and leave the person looking at Johnson in a whole new light. That is what a really good historian can do if he can weave the web the correct way. Just as old Iron Butt Richard Nixon needed to be given some late justice, so does ole LBJ.

However,My biggest aggrivation of being a historian is the books and books of asskissing on Benjamin Franklin and Teddy Roosevelt. My biggest irk of all is that Ben Franklin quote spread through an obviously amateur historian that "Beer is proof that God wants man to be happy".

if Franklin was so big on beer, why would he say the following in his autobiography?


At my first admission into this printinghouse I took to working at press, imagining I felt a want of the bodily exercise I had been used to in America, where presswork is mixed with composing. I drank only water; the other workmen, near fifty in number, were great guzzlers of beer. On occasion, I carried tip and down stairs a large form of types in each hand, when others carried but one in both hands. They wondered to see, from this and several instances, that the Water-American, as they called me, was stronger than themselves, who drank strong beer! We had an ale-house boy who attended always in the house to supply the workmen. My companion at the press drank every day a pint before breakfast, a pint at breakfast with his bread and cheese, a pint between breakfast and dinner, a pint at dinner, a pint in the afternoon about six O'clock, and another when he had done his day's work. I thought it a detestable custom; but it was necessary, he supposed, to drink strong beer that he might be strong to labor. I endeavored to convince him that the bodily strength afforded by beer could only be in proportion to the grain or flour of the barley dissolved in the water of which it was made; that there was more flour in a pennyworth of bread; and, therefore, if he would eat that with a pint of water, it would give him more strength than a quart of beer. He drank on, however, and had four or five shillings to pay out of his wages every Saturday night for that muddling liquor, an expense I was free from. And thus these poor devils kept themselves always under.


Franklin, Benjamin. "The Electric Ben Franklin." July 4th 1995.http://www.ushistory.org/franklin/autobiography/page23.htm (accessed May 27th 2009).
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Cattivo
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Ermac wrote:
His possible intention was to steer you in the direction of a thesis topic that can stand the test of time for a future audience. The whole war on terror is a heavily conservative driven platform(I need to cite this right? lol). If he is left leaning like many history professors, he will become bored with the Bush Doctrine and Cheaney Initiative -going through the historial rounds- really fast. Not enough time has really passed for a historian to give a really keen judgement call on if the Bush presidency was a "miserable failure" and if the war on terror was the countereaction to something totally different.

Yeah, at the time, I actually understood his viewpoint, unlike other professorial decisions. It still irks me though years later, and I like to complain. Razz

Ermac wrote:
I have found professors like to be given a topic that really isn't popular in the mainstream historical talk of current. I would say someone giving a dedicated thesis on the forgotten efforts of Lyndon Johnson during the 1960's civil rights would be interesting. Especially if you had the talent to prove your thesis through the sources and leave the person looking at Johnson in a whole new light. That is what a really good historian can do if he can weave the web the correct way. Just as old Iron Butt Richard Nixon needed to be given some late justice, so does ole LBJ.

True enough. A good model is how David McCullough resurrected John Adams' image, putting in doubt the unquestioned positives of the "Jeffersonian Revolution." That even shocked me, as I had a strong dislike of Adams because of the Alien & Sedition Act. That shows how historians can change things, and the positives that can be reaped from writing for the general public, which too many historians look down upon because of a dislike/jealousy of being motivated by monetary gain.

Ermac wrote:
if Franklin was so big on beer, why would he say the following in his autobiography?

It's interesting how so many myths of historical figures have persisted. The ironic thing is that most of the mischaracterizations were created by early historians who were looking to pad their stories....Or in the case of Edgar Allen Poe, looking to discredit them.

I'm surprised Franklin was more of a water drinker than perhaps hard cider. Beer drinking was prevalent because water quality was inconsistent, but there was a lot of cider drinking back then too, compared to now. Hell, I'm even more surprised Franklin was able to find quality water.
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Cattivo wrote:
It's interesting how so many myths of historical figures have persisted. The ironic thing is that most of the mischaracterizations were created by early historians who were looking to pad their stories

I'm surprised Franklin was more of a water drinker than perhaps hard cider. Beer drinking was prevalent because water quality was inconsistent, but there was a lot of cider drinking back then too, compared to now. Hell, I'm even more surprised Franklin was able to find quality water.


to be fair I think Franklin did drink wine since it was practically an insult not to if you were a diplomat at that time.

but I like what this guy has to say about finding where that quote about Beer and God came from

www.beerinfood.com/Franklin.html


basically....
this

Behold the rain which
descends from heaven upon our vineyards; there it enters the roots of
the vines, to be changed into wine; a constant proof that God loves
us, and loves to see us happy


was turned into.....

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As a historian I am going to somehow include Syd into a historical fallacy for the ages

"The NES was proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."
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Cattivo
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 04:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ha!
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A last minute thought.

Windows 7 will allow a backwards compatability mode called XPM. This feature will only be available to those who have processors that have virtualization technology included on them. Make sure whatever you buy has this or you will regret your decision.



 
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 06:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ermac wrote:
SoldierHawk wrote:
Stupid question, but is M7 similar enough to Vista that us PC gamers won't need to buy the new OS just to play the latest PC games? (Or is that as yet unknown?)


Empire Total War should be fine cause I know that is what you were getting at Very Happy



Hahaha, actually I meant new games. You know how a lot of the latest PC games run ONLY on Vista, and can't run on XP? Well, what I was saying is, I hope when Mass Effect 2 comes out (for example), I don't have to buy a whole new OS to play it.

Which reminds me of a n00b question: when you change your OS, does it erase all data on your computer? Or will it all carry over?


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Get Linux!


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A: Don't buy a DELL.
B: Windows 7 already runs games better than Vista.
C: If it works on Vista, it will work on Windows 7
D: Vista SP2 is not at release canidate, it's already out. (My Windows Updater grabbed it yesterday)

Why waste money on a DELL? Are you a business? Are you planning on paying DELL $10,000 a year for onsite tech support? No? Then why buy their overpriced system, that are not as easy to upgrade as you think, (DELL uses BTX format cases while the rest of the world uses ATX. DELL's PSUs are propriatary. DELLs Mobos are gimped versions of better ones.

If you are not going to build it yourself, then try shopping here:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
or here:
http://www.ibuypower.com/

Both have much better pricing, and more bang for the buck.

According to your post, you are looking at Inspiron 530 that is going to cost you $904. It has the following:

Q9550 CPU
4 GB DELL RAM DDR2 800
500 GB Hard Drive (Most likely a Fujitsu)
Radeon 4670 Video Card
Vista Home Basic
TOTAL: $904 (Not including Shipping)

Check this out:
Q9550 CPU (Same)
ASUS Mobo (Better)
4GB G.SKILL DDR2 800 (Better)
500GB Western Digital HDD (Better)
Radeon 4870 1GB video card. (Much Better)
Vista Home Basic (Same)
Case + 485w PSU (Better)
TOTAL: $811.13 (Shipping Included.)

That's if you built it yourself.

@SoldierHawk: Name one game that is Vista only and cannot be played on XP?
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PostPosted: May 27 2009 08:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
A: Don't buy a DELL.
B: Windows 7 already runs games better than Vista.
C: If it works on Vista, it will work on Windows 7
D: Vista SP2 is not at release canidate, it's already out. (My Windows Updater grabbed it yesterday)

Why waste money on a DELL? Are you a business? Are you planning on paying DELL $10,000 a year for onsite tech support? No? Then why buy their overpriced system, that are not as easy to upgrade as you think, (DELL uses BTX format cases while the rest of the world uses ATX. DELL's PSUs are propriatary. DELLs Mobos are gimped versions of better ones.

If you are not going to build it yourself, then try shopping here:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
or here:
http://www.ibuypower.com/

Both have much better pricing, and more bang for the buck.

According to your post, you are looking at Inspiron 530 that is going to cost you $904. It has the following:

Q9550 CPU
4 GB DELL RAM DDR2 800
500 GB Hard Drive (Most likely a Fujitsu)
Radeon 4670 Video Card
Vista Home Basic
TOTAL: $904 (Not including Shipping)

Check this out:
Q9550 CPU (Same)
ASUS Mobo (Better)
4GB G.SKILL DDR2 800 (Better)
500GB Western Digital HDD (Better)
Radeon 4870 1GB video card. (Much Better)
Vista Home Basic (Same)
Case + 485w PSU (Better)
TOTAL: $811.13 (Shipping Included.)

That's if you built it yourself.

@SoldierHawk: Name one game that is Vista only and cannot be played on XP?


A: Sometimes this is true. I would agree for low end gaming machines. No need to pay Dell for a proprietary edge. UNLESS you are a warranty style shopper. If you can't rest without peace of mind, then Dell is a decent place to buy from out of the "big vendors". Certainly a better choice than HP.

B: It is true that the core code of 7 is optimized, expect better or equal performance than Vista on just about everything.

C: ArcGIS is still kicking my ass and SPSS isn't working 100% correctly for me yet. Do not assume compatability. Some software demands certain OS's and it is static coded in the product to not work unless it is on a certain platform. I assume that most big name programs will have their kinks worked out prior to launch, but expect that at least one thing you wish worked from the past will not. I would say that Games will behave better overall, but statistical softwares always hate change.

D: SP2 for Vista was released 2 days ago and is available for direct download on Technet. Don't expect much other than a required update to your GPMC template files on your Domain Controller. Fucking service packs.

As for the build, I like that machine Knyte, but at that price range, I would either drop some of the specs and go with an i7 processor or keep the other stuff and go with a Phenom X4. Staying with the 775 chipset at this point will just make your machine old right out of the gates.



 
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Knyte
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Perhaps, but they are still pumping out Core 2 chips for the LGA 775, while the LGA 1366 is just sitting around with its 3 chips it has had since launch. (2 of which are still insanely overpriced.)

Also DDR2 is dirt cheep right now, and DDR3 is still up there, though starting to come down within reasonable prices.

If you want TOTL, then you are going to paying more than $1,000, which seems to be the range Cattivo is looking at.

Though, I do agree on the Phenom. The X3 720 is an awesome chip for the price, especially since you can unlock the 4th core, and overclock them like mad mofos.
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PostPosted: May 28 2009 10:22 am Reply with quote Back to top

Interesting stuff. I don't have the expertise to build anything myself. I just want something I can take out of the box, hook up, and start using. If you know of a vendor that sells pre-packaged CPUs with lots of options for its specs, I'm willing to use them instead of Dell. So, I'll check out those sites you listed Knyte.
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Well in my opinion there is really nothing wrong with Dell, They actually make fairly decent stuff, you just pay a premium for the name and your paying basically up to 50 percent more by going prebuilt than building you own. I don't blame you for wanting to go prebuilt if you have never BYO, Knyte and I probably have alot of horror stories when we tried to build our first rigs.

A good, fairly futureproof XPS desktop from Dell is going to cost you about a grand, it will come with a 19/22 inch LCD and probably 2 9800GTX in SLI Video Card(Crysis almost to the max), 4 GIGs of DDR2-800, 250-500 GB SATA Hardrive. It will also probably have a high end Core 2 in it or Core 2 Quad such as the q6600.

just wait until the i5 and Win7 are released if you really wanna be futureproof.
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