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Posted: May 19 2009 02:14 pm

For some reason people think that if it feels good, you shouldn't be able to have it (puritan roots). I find it odd that they will not give cancer patients marijuana, but will toss em an oxycontin script like it's nothing. Shit is heroin in pill form. Though admittedly, is probably a way more effective pain killer than marijuana.

Posted: May 19 2009 02:16 pm

SoldierHawk - that's what the whole legalization movement is about. Legalize it, tax the shit out of it and this so-called "crisis" is solved instantly.

Of course, by "tax the shit out of it" I mean a nickel bag stays the same size for the same price or heads will roll.

Posted: May 19 2009 02:21 pm

Linking to NORML for proof in a marijuana debate is like citing Stormfront as proof the Holocaust never happened.

ProCon is a good site though.

Joined: Apr 14 2006 Location: Lake Michigan Posts: 3332

What I don't understand is that for every other prescription drug that's based on an herb, they distill it down into pill form for medical usage. Why can't they do the same with marijuana, taking out the THC? That would circumvent the whole issue. Makes you wonder.

Posted: May 19 2009 03:47 pm

Or better yet - use milk to dissolve it, as cannabinoids in marijuana dissolve in fats. They don't do shit to water, though... Anyway, dissolved marijuana like that is better than smoking it, because there are no carcinogens being introduced into your system, thus cancer is a no-no.

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Cattivo wrote:

What I don't understand is that for every other prescription drug that's based on an herb, they distill it down into pill form for medical usage. Why can't they do the same with marijuana, taking out the THC? That would circumvent the whole issue. Makes you wonder.

People freaked out when we tried to sell hemp as clothing, thinking there'd be red-eyed psychos smoking their trousers in alleyways. The little zombies would be frothing at the mouth if they found out there was marijuana in a pill.

Posted: May 19 2009 08:16 pm

Greg the White wrote:

People freaked out when we tried to sell hemp as clothing, thinking there'd be red-eyed psychos smoking their trousers in alleyways. The little zombies would be frothing at the mouth if they found out there was marijuana in a pill.

"During the Vietnam War, Abbie Hoffman announced that the new high was banana peels taken rectally. So then FBI scientists stuffed banana peels up their asses to find out if this was true or not." - Kurt Vonnegut

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Greg the White wrote:

People freaked out when we tried to sell hemp as clothing, thinking there'd be red-eyed psychos smoking their trousers in alleyways. The little zombies would be frothing at the mouth if they found out there was marijuana in a pill.

Well, the point would be that you would extract from the plant whatever it is that helps glaucoma and the like, and it would be "harmless." No THC, no smoke inhalation, etc. Under that argument, there would be no reason to oppose medical marijuana, in spite of how large the stick that is wedged in the social conservatives' collective ass.

Posted: May 19 2009 09:15 pm

It is mainly because the pharmaceutical companies do not want marijuana as competition. It reminds me of a Bill Maher bit. He said something like "Prozac doesn't want to go up against marijuana...it will lose."

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

Cattivo wrote:

Greg the White wrote:

People freaked out when we tried to sell hemp as clothing, thinking there'd be red-eyed psychos smoking their trousers in alleyways. The little zombies would be frothing at the mouth if they found out there was marijuana in a pill.

Well, the point would be that you would extract from the plant whatever it is that helps glaucoma and the like, and it would be "harmless." No THC, no smoke inhalation, etc. Under that argument, there would be no reason to oppose medical marijuana, in spite of how large the stick that is wedged in the social conservatives' collective ass.

That's what I'm saying. There's no real argument against it, but they'll argue against it anyway. As soon as the idea is out there, some twat like Glenn Beck or even Bill Maher will jokingly call it a "pot pill," and everybody will immediately assume that that dangerous reefer is going to be sold as a pill. I really think we need to let the greatest generation die off or force-feed the stuff to octogenarian cancer patients before we can really go anywhere with legalizing any form of marijuana.

Joined: May 18 2009 Posts: 16

IceWarm wrote:

blkplaguelmc wrote:

depends if its good weed or shitty weed

I think the last time I smoked it was actually good weed but watching Aliens just scared the shit out of me and it made me not want to smoke again.

yeah i like to exaggerate things too

Joined: May 18 2009 Posts: 16

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Posted: May 20 2009 04:16 pm

Yes it's a gateway drug. That's pretty much proven. You can disagree if you want, but you can also be wrong.

Syd Lexia wrote:

You know, people who argue for the legalization of marijuana always say something like "I smoke weed all the time, and it hasn't hurt me at all."

Let's ignore for the moment the fact that no individual can impartially evaluate themselves, and consider this: how many people has marijuana helped? Where are all the marijuana success stories?

How many girls have found boyfriends because of marijuana? How many marriages have been saved because of marijuana? How many people have, because of their marijuana use, gotten full scholarships at top universities and gone on to become doctors, lawyers, and scientists?

If it happens, I'd love to hear those stories; it would alter my view of the drug considerably. Because the only story I ever hear is "Marijuana is the only thing that makes me forget how awful my life is and prevents me from killing myself."

Honestly, if getting high every 12 hours is the only reason you don't kill yourself, you probably *should* kill yourself. You are wallowing in mediocrity and you are doing nothing about it. Either pull yourself out of the gutter or throw yourself into an open grave. I stronly suggest pulling yourself up, but you've taken the easy path thus far, and suicide is way easier.

First of all, I'm very much for legalizing all drugs, and I have NEVER said "I smoke weed all the time and it hasn't hurt me at all". I think it should be legalized strictly for the purposes of generating massive tax revenue and providing a means to regulate the content and quality of the drugs.

Also, as for your whole stupid tirade, replace marijuana with "video games" and ask yourself the same thing.

Posted: May 20 2009 09:14 pm

Dr. Jeebus wrote:

Yes it's a gateway drug. That's pretty much proven. You can disagree if you want, but you can also be wrong.

Citations needed. Please specify the exact mechanisms.

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RobotGumshoe wrote:

Dr. Jeebus wrote:

Yes it's a gateway drug. That's pretty much proven. You can disagree if you want, but you can also be wrong.

Citations needed. Please specify the exact mechanisms.

It has to do with the way the drug and human body works. Because the human body tends to built up tolerance to things, the drug begins to stop working, causing the user to up the amount used and eventually move up to harder drugs. The thing is, humans each built up tolerance at different rates, so there is on telling how long it takes for the tolerance to be built. It also tends to be addicts who move up to harder drugs.

For sources I would site Dr. Drew from Loveline and Celebrity Rehab, who talks ab out this sometimes on Loveline, although not as recently, as well as the existence of MA

I would like to note I live off a "think for yourself, do what you choose" attitude and personally think pot should be legalized despite my straightedge views, as I believe like everything, it is a choice for the individual to make.

Posted: May 20 2009 11:40 pm

nihilisticglee wrote:

RobotGumshoe wrote:

Dr. Jeebus wrote:

Yes it's a gateway drug. That's pretty much proven. You can disagree if you want, but you can also be wrong.

Citations needed. Please specify the exact mechanisms.

It has to do with the way the drug and human body works. Because the human body tends to built up tolerance to things, the drug begins to stop working, causing the user to up the amount used and eventually move up to harder drugs. The thing is, humans each built up tolerance at different rates, so there is on telling how long it takes for the tolerance to be built. It also tends to be addicts who move up to harder drugs.

For sources I would site Dr. Drew from Loveline and Celebrity Rehab, who talks ab out this sometimes on Loveline, although not as recently, as well as the existence of MA

I would like to note I live off a "think for yourself, do what you choose" attitude and personally think pot should be legalized despite my straightedge views, as I believe like everything, it is a choice for the individual to make.

Again, it depends on the perosn and personal biochemistry. I, for instance, have been smoking well over a year, and it still doesn't take me much to get high. It's just the way I'm built, just like some of my other family members.

I agree that there are others to do build a tolerance and then have to move up the ladder. I really think it comes down to knowing your limits and abiding by them, which again, is easier for some than others. It really comes down to personal responsibility.

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Rycona wrote:

nihilisticglee wrote:

RobotGumshoe wrote:

Dr. Jeebus wrote:

Yes it's a gateway drug. That's pretty much proven. You can disagree if you want, but you can also be wrong.

Citations needed. Please specify the exact mechanisms.

It has to do with the way the drug and human body works. Because the human body tends to built up tolerance to things, the drug begins to stop working, causing the user to up the amount used and eventually move up to harder drugs. The thing is, humans each built up tolerance at different rates, so there is on telling how long it takes for the tolerance to be built. It also tends to be addicts who move up to harder drugs.

For sources I would site Dr. Drew from Loveline and Celebrity Rehab, who talks ab out this sometimes on Loveline, although not as recently, as well as the existence of MA

I would like to note I live off a "think for yourself, do what you choose" attitude and personally think pot should be legalized despite my straightedge views, as I believe like everything, it is a choice for the individual to make.

Again, it depends on the perosn and personal biochemistry. I, for instance, have been smoking well over a year, and it still doesn't take me much to get high. It's just the way I'm built, just like some of my other family members.

I agree that there are others to do build a tolerance and then have to move up the ladder. I really think it comes down to knowing your limits and abiding by them, which again, is easier for some than others. It really comes down to personal responsibility.

It does depend on biochemistry, as tolerance build up is something unique to each individual. For some, it takes years and possibly decades for any noticeable tolerance to be seen, while for some it is a matter of weeks. It is once the tolerance point is reached that people tend to move on to harder drugs. Personal responsibility is a big part of it, but with the way the drug works it does act as a good gateway to the harder stuff.

Posted: May 21 2009 12:14 am

I'm a firm believer in will power, I quit using drugs around the age of 19 and didn't have any of the troubles a lot of my acquaintances did, didn't start back up again didn't have to go to rehab didn't spaz out and start pawning my shit, for me when it was time to quit it was time to quit and that was all there really was too it. Understandably this is not the case for everyone but I thought I'd throw my two cents in.

Posted: May 21 2009 12:23 am

If someone has to pawn their shit for POT, then they have a major fucking issue.

Posted: May 21 2009 12:32 am

Rycona wrote:

If someone has to pawn their shit for POT, then they have a major fucking issue.

Well okay the people I was referring to were using coke and meth, but they did start out with pot. Laughing

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Rycona wrote:

If someone has to pawn their shit for POT, then they have a major fucking issue.

It happens, this is when pot using become an addiction

Posted: May 21 2009 01:43 am

I think that I read somewhere that an addiction is when once you partake in an activity, you continue wanting to do that activity. If you stop wanting to do it after you finish doing it, then you are not addicted in this sense of the word, so I do think that it comes down to willpower in this regard. However, at a point, your body will chemically desire any drug the same way it desires food and water, and somebody has about as much chance of getting rid of that addiction as they do of not eating for half a year.

But anyways, I think it all varies. If the people on the pot are getting it from a dealer who dabbles in other shit like crack, then the potheads are probably going to end up with some crack. Also, somebody who builds up resistance to a substance quick will probably start looking for another way to get high/stoned/whatever soon. But on the flip side, take Rastafarians. They (I am pretty sure) consider pot smoking part of their religion, so I would assume partake in it regularly. How many rastafarians have you ever seen move on to meth or coke? And it also depends on the person. I have no fucking idea where to get weed so have never done it, but I have spoken to a few people who had done it, and they said it just made them feel really stupid, and they didn't want to do it again because the experiance was so unpleasant. So I guess it boils down to a couple of factors, and because of that it is really to close to call "Gateway Drug!" or not.

Posted: May 21 2009 09:11 am

On the whole tolerance thing, I need to look this up but I believe your tolerance for weed actually becomes LOWER the more you smoke, meaning the more pot you've smoked, the less you need to smoke to get high. I'd have to look it up, but I remember learning that marijuana builds up somewhere in your body, and thusly smoking a little like activates it or something. This is also opposite of like EVERY other drug, but it may also explain why marijuana is not physically addictive unlike drugs like caffeine, heroin, and pain killers which people do build up a tolerance to. (At this point, all the soda I drink doesn't keep me awake, it just keeps the symptoms of withdrawal away).

Joined: May 13 2009 Location: lowell, ma Posts: 289

i might be mistaken but isnt there a marijuana pill called "marinol" i think ive seen cancer patients with it at the pharmacy. as far as success storys about weed. i know of plenty of people who probly would be divorced if they didnt have weed, also everytime i went into school high i always shut up and did my work (often better than usual). plus, ive actually read a story on how marijuana may help brain cells.

to each their own though, i can understand why parents dont want their kids using weed, but atleast it has some benefits. unlike alcohol and cigs which are actually advertised to people.

Joined: May 22 2008 Location: Goshen, VA Posts: 6544

I believe talking about a drug out of pure ignorance, having no prior knowledge on it's affects first-hand, only reading what the media has written about it is just blatant stupidity.

It's like saying "Well I liked Spiderman 3 because I have heard of Spiderman, but I didn't like Watchmen for the sole reason of never hearing of Watchmen." (Which I have literally heard people say)

It's fucking depressing. If people would stop being closed in little vagina's and go out and have a life experience, tack it up, note if you like it or not and be done with it, this country would be in a completely different situation when it comes to drug policy.

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P.S. OK maybe a little bias.

P.P.S Or maybe I'm just out of rolling papers.