I believe the advent of the internet has changed Pop Culture alot like someone said earlier. There are alot more choices.
I think a band like Nirvana had the luxury of having MTV, MTV is still valuable but not like it once was to stardom.
Now you have Myspace Music,iTunes,etc. that drowns peoples tastes out to the point were all the new fads are on the net before they are on TV.
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May 05 2009 06:27 pm
Too many bands get signed too fast due to their exposure on Myspace and end up splitting after an album or two. A favorite band of mine Vehemence is one of them. I'm not sure of the details but I suspect that instead of experiencing the pains of grinding non stop touring and building a local fanbase and thus understanding what comes with the job of being in a band like the old days these new bands instead get signed right off the bat because of their slick demo and nifty webpage and once they see the harsh realities of touring your ass off to promote the album Metal Blade just agreed to produce they call it quits. Not sure if that's the truth of it but that's what I suspect happens. And someone slap me for that run on sentence.
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May 06 2009 04:22 pm
There's always going to be a majority, and there's always going to be the proud people of the internet to oppose it. We think that the uninspired drivel and crap is stupid, but obviously a lot of people like it for it to be on the top 10 lists. Yes , I realize how dangerous playing devil's advocate on the interwebs is, but hey, oh well.
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May 07 2009 12:20 pm
ToGdor wrote:
There's always going to be a majority, and there's always going to be the proud people of the internet to oppose it. We think that the uninspired drivel and crap is stupid, but obviously a lot of people like it for it to be on the top 10 lists. Yes , I realize how dangerous playing devil's advocate on the interwebs is, but hey, oh well.
I agree. It used to take talent and ambition to get somewhere... unless you knew someone. Now, idiots just have a song that get x amount of hits on MySpace and YouTube and then they get signed and eventually putter out because they have NO FUCKING CLUE.
Labels used to go after talent, but now for the most part they're after whatever is popular and it makes me fucking sick.
If you really think about it, 12-18 year olds rule the music industry because they ultimately decide what's popular or not. If they played GOOD MUSIC on the radio, and the Disney channel, and wherever, then people would support that because the brainless teenage peons just keep feeding off whatever is given to them anyway, so it might as well be something that inspires you on a deeper level than this superficial, whiny, worn-out, replayed, hackjob, money-driven fucking bullshit.
RIP Hacker.
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May 07 2009 12:28 pm
Rycona wrote:
If you really think about it, 12-18 year olds rule the music industry because they ultimately decide what's popular or not. If they played GOOD MUSIC on the radio, and the Disney channel, and wherever, then people would support that because the brainless teenage peons just keep feeding off whatever is given to them anyway.
Bing-fucking-o
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May 07 2009 12:31 pm
It also used to be that bands didn't care about getting signed, now they're all self-aggrandizing hype machines who are all sizzle no steak.
Back in the day, Guns N' Roses was being pursued by a few A&R people at the same time, and they completely fucked with all of them. They got a guy from Geffen to give them a $75,000 advance before actually signing, then a few days later, they almost convinced some chick from Chrysalis to walk naked down Sunset Strip so they'd sign with her. But that didn't happen, so they signed with Geffen, and the guy who gave them the money got to keep his job.
There's always going to be a majority, and there's always going to be the proud people of the internet to oppose it. We think that the uninspired drivel and crap is stupid, but obviously a lot of people like it for it to be on the top 10 lists. Yes , I realize how dangerous playing devil's advocate on the interwebs is, but hey, oh well.
I would say that the internet has become the majority, and with it a vastly greater amount of uninspired drivel and stupid crap. 4Chan is fucking stupid. Most of the stuff on the internet is just fucking stupid. I may butcher a sacred cow, but I can't stand "random" humor. It's just not funny to me. Not anymore, at least. Perhaps years ago when I was 14 or 15. The "random" humor is all you can find nowadays, and I trace this directly back to internet moron-ocity, for lack of a real word.
What's more, the marketing agencies, the big corporations and the like, have taken the internet's idiocy and sold it to customers via the mainstream media.You can see this everywhere, in almost everything, especially ads. It's some kind of perverse double whammy. Not only did the internet 'culture' get ripped off, pissing off the geeks, but every one else must suffer all the more, for now it is the dominant "culture." And oh, how we suffer for it.
As was previously said in this thread, the lowest common denominator has never been so low. LULZ, indeed.
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May 17 2009 01:11 pm
Speaking of 4chan I have a friend that has been away from the net for a few years. After mentioning some of the Crazier things they've done (Habbo raid, Scientology etc) and showing him some of their GIF montages on youtube he started going there. Now he talks about it all the time and everything is faggotry this and fagatronics that. I think I may have to have him put to sleep.
Syd Lexia
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May 17 2009 03:03 pm
I enjoy a good nonsequitur. I grew up on Monty Python, I can't help it. But stuff like MILHOUSE IS NOT A MEME just doesn't do it for me. What especially irritates me is that I've made a bunch of memes and none of them ever catch on. They get passed over in favorite of complete idiocy.
They get passed over in favorite of complete idiocy.
Isn't this the point of memes?
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May 18 2009 01:54 am
Jack Slater wrote:
I would say that the internet has become the majority, and with it a vastly greater amount of uninspired drivel and stupid crap. 4Chan is fucking stupid. Most of the stuff on the internet is just fucking stupid. I may butcher a sacred cow, but I can't stand "random" humor. It's just not funny to me. Not anymore, at least. Perhaps years ago when I was 14 or 15. The "random" humor is all you can find nowadays, and I trace this directly back to internet moron-ocity, for lack of a real word.
What's more, the marketing agencies, the big corporations and the like, have taken the internet's idiocy and sold it to customers via the mainstream media.You can see this everywhere, in almost everything, especially ads. It's some kind of perverse double whammy. Not only did the internet 'culture' get ripped off, pissing off the geeks, but every one else must suffer all the more, for now it is the dominant "culture." And oh, how we suffer for it
The advances in telecommunications have alot to do with it. Those dot com companies that bursted the bubble left alot of advanced technology behind that was sold cheap to bigger companies that were permanent mainstays(Cisco,TW,etc.) and they built upon that. The companies from the pets.com era(98-2000) had a ton of venture capital, yet weren't able to capitalize fully on it because the internet was in it's infancy compared to the huge market it has today. There was a base there, but it wasn't the huge one it is now and you couldnt do as much as easily then(56k, expensive laptops).
People who were on the net since the late 90's know all too well when the net started to get shitty. I pen the date starting in 2005 when Myspace and Facebook started to hit the scene, but fully begining to be a problem in 2007. 2008 is truly when the internet lost its magic from the late 90's. The old time hackers no longer were able to be effective and the piracy aspect of the internet started to become a huge issue to the point where the magic started to be taken out of the net.
This subject can be related to this......
Syd Lexia
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May 18 2009 07:04 am
nihilisticglee wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
They get passed over in favorite of complete idiocy.
Isn't this the point of memes?
No. Memes are supposed to be the cultural equivalent of genes.
