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Marijuana: Gateway drug or not?


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anorexorcist
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PostPosted: May 17 2009 09:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Some people believe if you smoke pot you will want to try the next better high, some believe this is bullshit.

I used to think the whole "gateway" thing was bullshit, now I think it's more truthful than I used to think. I don't think that if you smoke weed once that you will automatically end up trying hard drugs in the future but there is definately some truth to the "gateway" thing imo.

What do you guys think?


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nihilisticglee
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PostPosted: May 17 2009 10:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

it is a gateway drug for sure. I have never seen someone just start doing coke or other harder drugs, excluding people addicted to pain killers. However, I don't think everyone who smokes is automatically going start shooting up or snorting shit. Still, I definitely think there is a connection.
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PostPosted: May 17 2009 10:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think that if you buy pot from certain people it can lead to other bad things.

If it were legalized I don't believe it would have this effect because the people who would influence the escalation would be removed from the equation.



 
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PostPosted: May 17 2009 10:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

We should legalize all drugs. That way, the junkies can get as much as they want, and we won't get any new users, because it is no longer rebellious to take drugs. And by the way: This Is A Joke


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PostPosted: May 17 2009 10:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I suppose it could be but to me it made me stop. The last time I smoked marijuana was back in 1998 and then I decided to watch Aliens after I smoked it. It scared the shit out of me and now I just stick to alcohol.


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PostPosted: May 17 2009 10:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think nicotine is a gateway drug if anything.
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PostPosted: May 17 2009 10:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Depends on your personality type and biochemistry.
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PostPosted: May 17 2009 11:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
I think that if you buy pot from certain people it can lead to other bad things.

If it were legalized I don't believe it would have this effect because the people who would influence the escalation would be removed from the equation.


That is an excellent point GP.

As for the topic, I'm not really sure. It does make sense to me that people who get hooked on drugs don't usually jump right to heroin or crack cocaine though; they start with something small and relatively harmless like pot. So in that sense, yes it could be a gateway drug. But do I think people with addictive-prone personalities would not be hooked on drugs if it wasn't for marijuana? No.


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PostPosted: May 18 2009 12:15 am Reply with quote Back to top

depends if its good weed or shitty weed
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IceWarm
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PostPosted: May 18 2009 12:21 am Reply with quote Back to top

blkplaguelmc wrote:
depends if its good weed or shitty weed

I think the last time I smoked it was actually good weed but watching Aliens just scared the shit out of me and it made me not want to smoke again.


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PostPosted: May 18 2009 12:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

IceWarm wrote:
blkplaguelmc wrote:
depends if its good weed or shitty weed

I think the last time I smoked it was actually good weed but watching Aliens just scared the shit out of me and it made me not want to smoke again.


lmao thats so great. was it your first time smoking? cuz of it was, i think that 9/10 people either freak the fuck out, or dont get high cuz they dont know how to inhale.
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PostPosted: May 18 2009 12:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

It was not my first time but it was definitely the last. Very Happy


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PostPosted: May 18 2009 12:50 am Reply with quote Back to top

Not sure, don't know all the facts.

There is probably a correlation though. The important part is the causation.


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PostPosted: May 18 2009 12:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think Alcohol is a more serious gateway drug. In my experience, almost every bad decision I made was because I was drunk. I think though that anyone with a brain knows there is a difference between smoking a joint and doing meth or crack or heroine, and has a line already drawn before they even begin the experimental phase.

In my opinion junky friends are more dangerous than the actual drugs. They'll suck you down and before you realize, you're just as bad as they are.


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PostPosted: May 18 2009 02:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
Depends on your personality type and biochemistry.


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In my personal experience, I've smoked marihuana for a few years. I hate cigarettes adn I've been offered coke a couple of times but I'm just not interested so I never tryed it. Last year I was on a diet and I couldn't drank alcohol so I didn't for about six months. I guess I just don't have an addictive personality. The only drugs I just can't seem to leave are video games and sugar. that stuff is serious bussiness
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PostPosted: May 18 2009 04:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm getting the weird sense of De ja vu right now, I think we talked about this some topic not too long ago.

Anyway, i don't think Mary Jane is a gateway drug, most hippies are too stoned to try anything else. Then again you might get jaked on shit while stoned too so, i guess it could go either way.


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PostPosted: May 18 2009 04:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thorton02 wrote:
I think though that anyone with a brain knows there is a difference between smoking a joint and doing meth or crack or heroine, and has a line already drawn before they even begin the experimental phase.


This. Completely.

To quote someone here, "The potential for danger is always higher when people are stupid."


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PostPosted: May 18 2009 04:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

RobotGumshoe wrote:
The important part is the causation.

I'm a prime mover.
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PostPosted: May 19 2009 02:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
RobotGumshoe wrote:
The important part is the causation.

I'm a prime mover.

I'd use that joke, but it seems like saying it and not being the first one to do it would be particularly disingenuous.


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PostPosted: May 19 2009 11:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:
I'm getting the weird sense of De ja vu right now, I think we talked about this some topic not too long ago.

Anyway, i don't think Mary Jane is a gateway drug, most hippies are too stoned to try anything else. Then again you might get jaked on shit while stoned too so, i guess it could go either way.


Yea, I had the same feeling. I think we had a discussion about legalization, but not its influence as a gateway drug.

Thorton02 wrote:
I think Alcohol is a more serious gateway drug. In my experience, almost every bad decision I made was because I was drunk. I think though that anyone with a brain knows there is a difference between smoking a joint and doing meth or crack or heroine, and has a line already drawn before they even begin the experimental phase.

In my opinion junky friends are more dangerous than the actual drugs. They'll suck you down and before you realize, you're just as bad as they are.


This. Alcohol is a much more serious problem than Marijuana, (just look at annual DUI deaths and people dying from liver cirrhosis).

I have smoked Marijuana many a time, but as a rule of thumb chose to stay away from harder drugs. There was no subliminal gateway influence urging me to get to the next level.

If that were the case, I would just smoke a little bit more weed rather than plunging a syringe into my arm.


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You know, people who argue for the legalization of marijuana always say something like "I smoke weed all the time, and it hasn't hurt me at all."

Let's ignore for the moment the fact that no individual can impartially evaluate themselves, and consider this: how many people has marijuana helped? Where are all the marijuana success stories?

How many girls have found boyfriends because of marijuana? How many marriages have been saved because of marijuana? How many people have, because of their marijuana use, gotten full scholarships at top universities and gone on to become doctors, lawyers, and scientists?

If it happens, I'd love to hear those stories; it would alter my view of the drug considerably. Because the only story I ever hear is "Marijuana is the only thing that makes me forget how awful my life is and prevents me from killing myself."

Honestly, if getting high every 12 hours is the only reason you don't kill yourself, you probably *should* kill yourself. You are wallowing in mediocrity and you are doing nothing about it. Either pull yourself out of the gutter or throw yourself into an open grave. I stronly suggest pulling yourself up, but you've taken the easy path thus far, and suicide is way easier.
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PostPosted: May 19 2009 01:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
You know, people who argue for the legalization of marijuana always say something like "I smoke weed all the time, and it hasn't hurt me at all."

Let's ignore for the moment the fact that no individual can impartially evaluate themselves, and consider this: how many people has marijuana helped? Where are all the marijuana success stories?

How many girls have found boyfriends because of marijuana? How many marriages have been saved because of marijuana? How many people have, because of their marijuana use, gotten full scholarships at top universities and gone on to become doctors, lawyers, and scientists?

If it happens, I'd love to hear those stories; it would alter my view of the drug considerably. Because the only story I ever hear is "Marijuana is the only thing that makes me forget how awful my life is and prevents me from killing myself."Honestly, if getting high every 12 hours is the only reason you don't kill yourself, you probably *should* kill yourself. You are wallowing in mediocrity and you are doing nothing about it. Either pull yourself out of the gutter or throw yourself into an open grave. I stronly suggest pulling yourself up, but you've taken the easy path thus far, and suicide is way easier.

That's a very cynical and not so empathetic way to think about it. Depression is often biological, as in you can live in the best of families have everything and still be unhappy. Self medicating is not the way to go, but people make mistakes and you have to have sympathy for them. I understand that YOU didn't make that mistake and it's hard to see why other people can't do it if you can. But that's how it is. My brother is an extremely severe introvert and has social anxiety. Getting ajob for him is near impossible as he freezes at interviews. {/liberal]

Something doesn't need to be legalized only if it is beneficial. I don't like marijuana personally, but I certainly don't have the right to tell somebody else what harmful chemicals to put in their body. I also don't feel it's my obligation to pay for these people incarceration. I'll save the cliche comparisons to the legal drug alcohol because it's been done, and you know the arguments. [/libertarian]

As far as it being a gateway drug. Cattivo put it best. Yeah it's probably the first drug that people predisposed to addiction use, as it's relatively safe to use, but it's pretty much dependent on the makeup of the person using. I know tons of people who have tried marijuana a couple times and never touched any sort of drug again.


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PostPosted: May 19 2009 01:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Burt Reynolds wrote:

That's a very cynical and not so empathetic way to think about it.


You do realize who you were talking to, right? This Is A Joke


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PostPosted: May 19 2009 01:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
You know, people who argue for the legalization of marijuana always say something like "I smoke weed all the time, and it hasn't hurt me at all."

Let's ignore for the moment the fact that no individual can impartially evaluate themselves, and consider this: how many people has marijuana helped? Where are all the marijuana success stories?

How many girls have found boyfriends because of marijuana? How many marriages have been saved because of marijuana? How many people have, because of their marijuana use, gotten full scholarships at top universities and gone on to become doctors, lawyers, and scientists?

If it happens, I'd love to hear those stories; it would alter my view of the drug considerably. Because the only story I ever hear is "Marijuana is the only thing that makes me forget how awful my life is and prevents me from killing myself."

Honestly, if getting high every 12 hours is the only reason you don't kill yourself, you probably *should* kill yourself. You are wallowing in mediocrity and you are doing nothing about it. Either pull yourself out of the gutter or throw yourself into an open grave. I stronly suggest pulling yourself up, but you've taken the easy path thus far, and suicide is way easier.


Marijuana has been linked to positive medical benefits, one of the most beneficial regarding that as a tool to fight nausea in AIDS and cancer patients, which helps increase their appetites (and therefore aiding any recovery or medication), as well as helping glaucoma patients by easing muscles in their eyes. Hell, even Richard Brookhiser of the National Review lauded its benefits for his cancer treatment (even though he admitted to hating the drug itself).

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4451

There are many other benefits such as a relatively less-addictive form of pain treatment (versus many pharmaceutical painkillers such as Vicodin or Oxycontin), a muscle relaxant (useful for easing some of the more severe symptoms of MLS or epilepsy), and has been seen to improve sperm counts in those experiencing troubles in producing children. This site is the best pro/con source of medical legalization I've come across so far:

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/

Personally, it's been pretty good for me. I used to smoke cigarettes constantly (with no real benefit other than it helped me with the fact I naturally don't produce much dopamine), and drink with friends to have a good time. With marijuana though, I can burn a pipe with friends after work a few times a week, watch a movie, and just generally relax, as opposed to alcohol, where I could drink and either end up depressed as hell or in a fight at the end of the night. It's also helped relax my OCD to an extent where I don't have panic attacks over banal crap like my records being out of alphabetical order or if I closed out at work just right the night before. I'm still at a risk for emphysema, or other diseases caused by smoke inhalation, but it's a fair trade-off for tobacco and alcohol, which are more dangerous with less benefits.

As a gateway drug, it seems to be more of a personal thing influenced by one's own experiences. It hasn't done anything to me because I've seen the dark side to everything from cocaine to heroin to terrible prescription medicine, and have NO desire whatsoever to move up that ladder, but I can see how someone could graduate to the more powerful narcotics as either an experience or form of rebellion.

I don't mindlessly praise the stuff or scream at people that they have to smoke it. I don't form conspiracy theories about why the government wants it illegalized. I'm just saying that there's worse stuff being pushed on people legally, and it's a less intense alternative that also has some benefits to it.


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Holy crap, I knew it made cancer/AIDS patients feel better, but I had no idea it actually helped them keep food and stuff down. And its an issue giving it to these people WHY?

My solution: find some way for pharmaceutical companies to make jillions of dollars off it, and it'll be in the hands of people who need it (and probably people who don't) faster than doctors can write prescriptions.


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