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Rycona
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Knyte
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I don't think anything will stick, due to Sweden's current "Freedom Of Information" laws which take precidence over the DMCA laws. Most likely, the Swedish government is just letting this go to trial to appease the MPAA & RIAA, who have been bitching for years.
They won't lose the lawsuit, they won't get shut down, and the Swedish Government can just shrug their shoulders at the RIAA/MPAA/MAFIAA, and say "Hey, at least we tried."
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Ghandi
Title: Alexz Aficionado
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Pirate Bay also hosts none of the actual material they're trying to pin them for.
If they want to usher in the post-Napster area Torrent style, it's their fault for making it happen. Rather than just 1 company to take down they'll have hundreds. The RIAA did this fight, and found out they weren't as big as their pocketbook suggested, finally backing off when that little overlooked thing called The Constitution got in their way.
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Tyop
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| Knyte wrote: |
| I don't think anything will stick, due to Sweden's current "Freedom Of Information" laws which take precidence over the DMCA laws. |
The DMCA only applies to the US, it's meaningless in Sweden. The European counterparts would be the EUCD (European Copyright Directive) and some parts of the ECD (Electronic Commerce Directive).
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GPFontaine
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This won't end badly for Pirate Bay... this time.
I think there will be repercussions in the future though.
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Knyte
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Well, The Pirates have already won half their case:
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CHEEKY PEER TO PEER-ENCOURAGING SCAMPS from The Pirate Bay have won a partial victory in their fight against The Man having seen at least half of the prosecution's case dropped after just one-and-a-bit days of legal shenanigans.
The prostitution (Is this right? Ed.) are having a bit of trouble proving that any of the torrent files in question actually used the Bay's tracker, as many of the screen shots presented as evidence don't have any tangible link to the Swedish site.
The defence lawyers basically pointed out that the prosecutors were a bunch of Luddites who didn't really understand the technology involved and the prosecution put their hands up and moved on, leaving the part of the case which alleged that the boys in the Dock had 'assisted copyright infringement' in tatters.
The Pirate Bay's lawyers were jubilant saying, "This is a sensation. It is very rare to win half the target in just one and-a-half days."
The IFPI, which brought the case to court, put a very different spin on the whole situation, however, saying, "It's a largely technical issue that changes nothing in terms of our compensation claims and has no bearing whatsoever on the main case against The Pirate Bay. In fact it simplifies the prosecutor’s case by allowing him to focus on the main issue, which is the making available of copyrighted works."
Obviously they still don't grasp quite how the whole file sharing thing works. |
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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apparently they're guilty now:
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Pirate Bay trial verdict reached: guilty!
Download the occasional film or album through file-sharing Torrent sites? Get ready for things to change. The four co-founders of the notorious Pirate Bay site have been found guilty by a Swedish court of assisting the distribution of illegal content online.
Peter Sunde, Fredrik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm and Carl Lundström were sentenced with a year in prison and slapped with a $3.6m fine. |
http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/
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Rycona
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Title: The Maestro
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Yikes.
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GPFontaine
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“You can’t win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.”
http://is.gd/t74t
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Knyte
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They have already appealed the decision, and under Swedish law, the verdict can not be enforced until all appeals have been resolved. Most Appeals in Sweden take about 5-7 years to process. So they have some time.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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pirate bays open letter to all:
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So the first verdict finally came, almost 3 years after the raid. You might have heard about it in the news...
You, our beloved users, know that this little speedbump on the information super highway is nothing more than just, a little bump. Todays verdict has already been appealed by us and will be taken to the next level of court (and that will take another 2 or 3 years!)
The site will live on! We are more determined than ever that what we do is right. Millions of users are a good proof of that.
We have seen that some people that we dont know have started collecting donations for us, so we can pay those silly fines. We firmly ask you NOT to do this. Do not gather or send any money. We do not want them since we will not pay any fines!
If you really want to help out, here is a list:
* Seed those torrents a little bit more than you usually do!
* Buy a t-shirt and show the world where your sympathy is.
* If you live in Europe, vote in the election for the EU parliament in June.
* Continue to build the internets! Start more bittorrent sites, blog more, start your own lobby group, create, remix, mash up and continue to grow more heads on this amazing hydra that we know as the internets!
* Do not be afraid of using the network. Invite your friends to this and other file sharing systems. Calm people down if they're upset. We need to stay united.
And say it loud say it proud! We are all The Pirate Bay! |
http://thepiratebay.org/blog/151
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Knyte
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Apparently the plot thickens:
From INQ:
QUIET SWEDEN IS BUBBLING OVER with righteous indignation following revelations that the judge in the Pirate Bay trial has various links with the Big Media Mafiaa.
An investigation by Sveriges Radio P3 revealed that Judge Tomas Norström has ties with the prosecutors and plaintiffs in the case, through his membership of various associations concerned with and working for strong intellectual property laws.
As a result of the revelations, Peter Althin, lawyer for Pirate Bay spokesperson Peter Sunde, has said that he plans to demand a retrial. "I will point that out in my appeal, then the Court of Appeal (Hovrätten) will decide if the district court decision should be set aside and the case revisited," Althin said on Thursday, according to Sweden's Local.
Norström is a member of the board at the Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property (Svenska föreningen för industriellt rättsskydd). He is also a member of the Svenska föreningen för upphovsrät as is Pirate Bay prosecutor Monique Wadsted
Norström and Wadsted are also both members of the IIS arbitration service.
Norström argued that his membership of such associations and his associated familiarity with the copyright arguments make him suited for this sort of trial. The defence takes the opposite view.
INQUIRER readers from Sweden have been bombarding our inbox today with various links they have discovered between the prosecutors and the content Mafiaa.
Rickard Falkvinge, the chairman of Sweden's fastest-growing political party - the Pirate Party - said, "The copyright lobby has really managed to bring corruption to Sweden."
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Mitch
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Site seems to be down...for now. Pirate bay loyalists (and pirates everywhere) launched denial of service attacks on the prosecuting attorney's website, as well as the IFPI's website.
Hope the site goes back up soon.
I know piracy seems to be a touchy subject around here (Syd in particular seems to be bothered by it, but maybe he's just covering his ass), but that whole trial reeks of government corruption--for example, the judge is a member of multiple anti-copyright-infringement groups...the same groups the the prosecuting attorneys belong to.
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Knyte
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You can't keep a good pirate down. The site's back up.
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Ermac
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don't these people understand anything?
first suprnova was shut down, then piratebay becomes prominent and faces the same heat
There is a long list of torrent sites that will just replace them if piratebay goes down
Demonoid,MiniNova,etc.
The trick is to offer affortable digital content. I would happily pay for something if the product is good and affortable. I don't prefer pirating unless the other solution is outrageous.
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Knyte
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Games and movies are questionable pirating items.
But what about software applications that companies charge insane prices for? (I'm looking at you, Photoshop CS4. What makes you worth $700?)
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Mitch
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Games and movies are questionable pirating items.
But what about software applications that companies charge insane prices for? (I'm looking at you, Photoshop CS4. What makes you worth $700?) |
yes, but those are also some of the most dangerous types of things to download through bittorrent because of malware being so easy to incorporate into an exe.
Anyway, I have netflix, so I can get any movie I want. I just download when I don't want to wait for netflix, so I feel somewhat justified/rationalized in my movie pirating, since I don't make a profit off of it or anything, and the movie fatcats aren't really losing money on my account, since I pay for netflix.
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Knyte
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The Pirate Bay four have filed appeals against their recent convictions.
According to CNET, the appeals are packed full of issues, including claims that the judge had a conflict of interest because he belonged to several anti-piracy groups.
Peter Sunde, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Fredrik Neij, and Carl Lundström have all filed independent appeals of their convictions.
Sunde's appeal is based on the fact that he was just a spokesman for the site. He also claims that the damages to copyright holders that were assessed were too high and calculated in an unreasonable way.
Even if Pirate Bay was illegal, Althin was not responsible for the crime of assisting copyright violation, his appeal says. His argument is that a car or a gun can be used to commit a crime, but the maker of the car or the gun doesn't go to jail every time one is used.
It is not clear on what grounds the others have based their appeals. The appeals will be evaluated by the high court of justice.
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Andrew Man
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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since it relates to this topic:
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RIAA and MPAA Can’t Stop BitTorrent, Study Find
For years RIAA and MPAA members have hired companies to attack popular BitTorrent swarms in an attempt to interfere with their downloads. According to a recently published paper by New York University researchers, these attacks are highly ineffective. At best, they slow downloads for a few minutes, something most users don’t even notice. |
http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-and-mpaa-cant-stop-bittorrent-study-finds-091014/
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Pandajuice
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I wish they would just stop. They must be spending tons and tons of money going after people like The Pirate Bay, and ultimately getting nowhere. Whatever torrent sites do go down, others will just replace them ad nauseum.
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Knyte
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Durring the trials, someone posted the entire contents of The Pirate Bay's website up as a torrent. It got over 1000 downloads, which means, if the original goes down, then other will almost immediately spring up to replace it.
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Lady_Satine
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| Durring the trials, someone posted the entire contents of The Pirate Bay's website up as a torrent. It got over 1000 downloads, which means, if the original goes down, then other will almost immediately spring up to replace it. |
That's freaking brilliant.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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| Knyte wrote: |
| Durring the trials, someone posted the entire contents of The Pirate Bay's website up as a torrent. It got over 1000 downloads, which means, if the original goes down, then other will almost immediately spring up to replace it. |
That's freaking brilliant. |
thats awesome and hilarious at the same time.
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username
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Pirate Bay Founders Banned From Running The Site
The Stockholm District Court has taken action against two founder members of The Pirate Bay. Gottfrid Svartholm and Fredrik Neij are now banned from operating the site and will have to pay fines of $71,000 each if they continue. This, despite the fact that they nor the site remain in Sweden. |
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founders-banned-from-running-the-site-091029/
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