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Cattivo
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Actually, the screen always looks bigger here at work compared to at home. Can see more, and its detail at work. I mostly notice this in the framing of posts....text goes way further to the right before starting the next line, and so forth.
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Syd Lexia
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Yeah, my understanding that higher resolution, text was actually smaller. It certainly was back in the day when I switched from 600x800 to 768x1024. You should see more of a page at once though, at a higher res, like you said. You can see more of the vertical screen at one time, and the text should go further to the right before starting a new line.
And "Amok Time" is one of my Top 5 TOS episodes. How could it not be?
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Logically, that should follow. I could easily be wrong.
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Ghandi
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Star Trek was awesome, go see it
I saw it last night at 10:20.
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IceWarm
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Sounds good, I'll be seeing it Sunday. It has gotten a pretty good rating on IMDb so far.
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Star Trek? And movie theater popcorn? Of course I'll see it.
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I just saw it tonight.
Yes, there are a lot of canonical differences that you have to get used to. A hell of a lot of them. If you are looking forward to something in line with what you have seen before, you are in big trouble.
I felt that it was easily the most raunchy Star Trek film and did not feel like a normal ST movie at all. Which was a good thing.
Bottom line, it was extremely entertaining, and at the least, made Star Trek on a grand social scale relevant for a while. And no other movie could really have said that since VI.
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I saw it last night and it is definitely one of the best, if not the best Star Trek movie ever. Honestly, if you didn't like this movie for canon reasons get a life, and if you thought it was boring your a bitter jaded person (perhaps you've been working at a comic book store or a supermarket too long). It's a fantastic movie. Yes they make huge changes but they explain it in way that makes you feel as if they aren't giving older fans the finger. My dad watched TOS growing up and he loved it as well. We both clapped at the end spontaneously and were very entertained. Would recommend it to anyone who likes star trek or action movies.
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Betcha a million dollars the movie felt more like a summer blockbuster action film than real Star Trek...meh.
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Not really a spoiler but 1.) There is no end of credits teaser. 2.) Putting the dedication to Majet and Roddenberry at the very end of the credits feels somehow wrong to me. I would've placed them at the very beginning or something.
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| if you didn't like this movie for canon reasons get a life |
You know that's not actually an argument, right? Rather than an address what you feel the movie did right, you just instead got hyper-defensive about it launched into some completely classless and emotionally charged diatribe.
You keep droning on about canon this and canon that, so I'd like to take some time to address the concept of canon. You keep saying that canon is unimportant. This is sometimes true. Look at Batman, for instance. How many times has he been reinvented on the big screen and in the comics? A whole fucking lot. And you know what? Sometimes it's for the best. Christopher Nolan's reboot of the Batman movie franchise was nothing short of brilliant, and The Dark Knight stands as the only big budget Hollywood film since Return of the King to actually be worth watching. With Batman, it's easy to accept canon changes. The writers and artists have changed so many times that you don't have a singular vision of what Batman should be. You can't, becasuse Batman has been many things.
Now let's look at Battlestar Galactica. The original series is a long forgotten campfest that very few people actually care about and that Sci-Fi only ever ran when it was hyping the new BSG. When Eick and Moore reinvented the series, it was irrelevant. Outside a few fat sweaty guys in their mid-40s, no one cared.
Now let's look at Star Trek. It has spawned five television series, ten movies, a shitload of useless memorablia, and countless books and video games. It is a franchise that has not always done well, but it is a franchise that is still intensely beloved by many hardcore fans.
In theory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Star Trek reboot. Paramount ran Star Trek into the ground, and if was to be revived, something brash and innovative had to be done.
I do not feel, however, that what they did was necessary. What makes Nolan's Batman work so well is that, at its core, it is unquestionably Batman. Does it follow canon to the letter? Absolutely not. But that doesn't matter. While Nolan's vision of Batman sometimes takes liberty with character origins and backstory, it gets the characters themselves completely right. And since the Batman stories are character-driven, the stuff they changed is insignificant.
This is the fundamental problem with Star Trek, it does not do the characters themselves justice. Bones is handled very well and both Spocks are cool, but Kirk, Scotty, and Uhura are not handled well AT ALL. Neither is Chekov. Could they have made his accent any more annoying? I hope not. The problem with the movie isn't that reinvents famous scenarios like the Kobayashi Maru test; that is to be expected in a reboot. But it fundamentally changes who these people are and why they do what they do. And that is unacceptable.
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I just saw it a few hours ago, and I have to say that overall I was very impressed. It was a very good movie. I'm still trying to decide if it was a good STAR TREK movie, but one way or the other I came out of the theatre happy and entertained.
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This is the fundamental problem with Star Trek, it does not do the characters themselves justice. Bones is handled very well and both Spocks are cool, but Kirk, Scotty, and Uhura are not handled well AT ALL. Neither is Chekov. Could they have made his accent any more annoying? I hope not. The problem with the movie isn't that reinvents famous scenarios like the Kobayashi Maru test; that is to be expected in a reboot. But it fundamentally changes who these people are and why they do what they do. And that is unacceptable. |
This is true, although I felt Kirk easily fared the best out of the characters that were off. True, he didn't fit the Jim Kirk we know from the series...but he DOES fit how I imagine that Kirk might have been as a brash young cadet with no experience under his belt. In that sense, I think they did well by him. Uhura I thought was quite good as well, except for the wtf suddenly falling in love with Spock. Where the hell that came from I have no idea, but it was the only time in the movie I was truly, truly *uncomfortable* with the way a character was acting. (More because it just didn't make sense and was unnecessary from a plot perspective really though.)
One thing I will say though is that the visuals in the movie blew me the fuck away. I would (and will) see it again if only to enjoy the space battles and the shots of the Enterprise flying around the galaxy. God damn that looked amazing.
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| APLETHORAOFPINATAS wrote: |
| if you didn't like this movie for canon reasons get a life |
You know that's not actually an argument, right? Rather than an address what you feel the movie did right, you just instead got hyper-defensive about it launched into some completely classless and emotionally charged diatribe.
You keep droning on about canon this and canon that, so I'd like to take some time to address the concept of canon. You keep saying that canon is unimportant. This is sometimes true. Look at Batman, for instance. How many times has he been reinvented on the big screen and in the comics? A whole fucking lot. And you know what? Sometimes it's for the best. Christopher Nolan's reboot of the Batman movie franchise was nothing short of brilliant, and The Dark Knight stands as the only big budget Hollywood film since Return of the King to actually be worth watching. With Batman, it's easy to accept canon changes. The writers and artists have changed so many times that you don't have a singular vision of what Batman should be. You can't, becasuse Batman has been many things.
Now let's look at Battlestar Galactica. The original series is a long forgotten campfest that very few people actually care about and that Sci-Fi only ever ran when it was hyping the new BSG. When Eick and Moore reinvented the series, it was irrelevant. Outside a few fat sweaty guys in their mid-40s, no one cared.
Now let's look at Star Trek. It has spawned five television series, ten movies, a shitload of useless memorablia, and countless books and video games. It is a franchise that has not always done well, but it is a franchise that is still intensely beloved by many hardcore fans.
In theory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Star Trek reboot. Paramount ran Star Trek into the ground, and if was to be revived, something brash and innovative had to be done.
I do not feel, however, that what they did was necessary. What makes Nolan's Batman work so well is that, at its core, it is unquestionably Batman. Does it follow canon to the letter? Absolutely not. But that doesn't matter. While Nolan's vision of Batman sometimes takes liberty with character origins and backstory, it gets the characters themselves completely right. And since the Batman stories are character-driven, the stuff they changed is insignificant.
This is the fundamental problem with Star Trek, it does not do the characters themselves justice. Bones is handled very well and both Spocks are cool, but Kirk, Scotty, and Uhura are not handled well AT ALL. Neither is Chekov. Could they have made his accent any more annoying? I hope not. The problem with the movie isn't that reinvents famous scenarios like the Kobayashi Maru test; that is to be expected in a reboot. But it fundamentally changes who these people are and why they do what they do. And that is unacceptable. |
I was just about to go and see this movie tonight before I had read this
along with a C- from Jeebus. I liked his review because I was going to take a girl to see it who isn't in the least bit geeky and now I am glad I am not going to. I guess its that shit movie Obsessed now.
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IceWarm
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I decided to go see it this afternoon instead of tomorrow. I loved this movie. Canon issues aside it was an excellent movie. I felt like every actor portrayed their character extremely well. I especially loved the battle simulation scene. It really brought a smile to my face and made me laugh at the same time. The cockyness of Kirk in that scene was great. Also a lot of the throwback bits were enjoyable from the mind control slugs, Spock's famous last words from Star Trek 2, and so on.
I could have done without the relationship between Spock and Uhura or possibly Vulcan being destroyed mainly because how will Star Trek 3 happen when they go to Vulcan. Oh well I'm sure they can fuck with the timeline and make it plausible.
The visuals were amazing. Seeing an excellent 21st cemtury CGI Enterprise was amazing.
I guess only time will tell if this one will be considered a good Star Trek movie but as SoldierHawk said, I also left the theater very entertained. I'd love to see sequels that maybe takes some of the classic original series episodes and expands on their storylines.
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| Ermac wrote: |
| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| APLETHORAOFPINATAS wrote: |
| if you didn't like this movie for canon reasons get a life |
You know that's not actually an argument, right? Rather than an address what you feel the movie did right, you just instead got hyper-defensive about it launched into some completely classless and emotionally charged diatribe.
You keep droning on about canon this and canon that, so I'd like to take some time to address the concept of canon. You keep saying that canon is unimportant. This is sometimes true. Look at Batman, for instance. How many times has he been reinvented on the big screen and in the comics? A whole fucking lot. And you know what? Sometimes it's for the best. Christopher Nolan's reboot of the Batman movie franchise was nothing short of brilliant, and The Dark Knight stands as the only big budget Hollywood film since Return of the King to actually be worth watching. With Batman, it's easy to accept canon changes. The writers and artists have changed so many times that you don't have a singular vision of what Batman should be. You can't, becasuse Batman has been many things.
Now let's look at Battlestar Galactica. The original series is a long forgotten campfest that very few people actually care about and that Sci-Fi only ever ran when it was hyping the new BSG. When Eick and Moore reinvented the series, it was irrelevant. Outside a few fat sweaty guys in their mid-40s, no one cared.
Now let's look at Star Trek. It has spawned five television series, ten movies, a shitload of useless memorablia, and countless books and video games. It is a franchise that has not always done well, but it is a franchise that is still intensely beloved by many hardcore fans.
In theory, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Star Trek reboot. Paramount ran Star Trek into the ground, and if was to be revived, something brash and innovative had to be done.
I do not feel, however, that what they did was necessary. What makes Nolan's Batman work so well is that, at its core, it is unquestionably Batman. Does it follow canon to the letter? Absolutely not. But that doesn't matter. While Nolan's vision of Batman sometimes takes liberty with character origins and backstory, it gets the characters themselves completely right. And since the Batman stories are character-driven, the stuff they changed is insignificant.
This is the fundamental problem with Star Trek, it does not do the characters themselves justice. Bones is handled very well and both Spocks are cool, but Kirk, Scotty, and Uhura are not handled well AT ALL. Neither is Chekov. Could they have made his accent any more annoying? I hope not. The problem with the movie isn't that reinvents famous scenarios like the Kobayashi Maru test; that is to be expected in a reboot. But it fundamentally changes who these people are and why they do what they do. And that is unacceptable. |
I was just about to go and see this movie tonight before I had read this
along with a C- from Jeebus. I liked his review because I was going to take a girl to see it who isn't in the least bit geeky and now I am glad I am not going to. I guess its that shit movie Obsessed now. |
well if she isn't in the least bit geeky she may enjoy it, but maybe not. See adventureland, it's a good date movie
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| One thing I will say though is that the visuals in the movie blew me the fuck away. I would (and will) see it again if only to enjoy the space battles and the shots of the Enterprise flying around the galaxy. God damn that looked amazing. |
Lots and LOTs of rectangular lensflare. Considering all the differentiations between this Trek and the other, what?, 10 or so, I'm going to declare this to be an extended "alternate universe" episode.
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I could have done without the relationship between Spock and Uhura or possibly Vulcan being destroyed mainly because how will Star Trek 3 happen when they go to Vulcan. Oh well I'm sure they can fuck with the timeline and make it plausible. |
Agreed, the thing with Uhura and Spock is the only thing that truly bugged me.
As for Vulcan, they could fuck with the timeline of course, as ST writers are wont to do...but remember that slightly throwaway line at the end, where old Spock tells young Spock that he's already found a planet where their species can start rebuilding? I wonder if they won't colonize there, call it Vulcan, and we find out that THAT Vulcan is the one they visit in 3. (And then we'll find out that Sarek remarried, and the person we thought was Spock's mom was really his step-mom...)
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The visuals were amazing. Seeing an excellent 21st cemtury CGI Enterprise was amazing.
I guess only time will tell if this one will be considered a good Star Trek movie but as SoldierHawk said, I also left the theater very entertained. I'd love to see sequels that maybe takes some of the classic original series episodes and expands on their storylines. |
Totally. Rectangular lensflare OWNS, if it can make the Enterprise (and space, for that matter) look that awesome. I would consider buying a blu-ray player and HDTV just to see this in all its glory. Yes, I liked it that much.
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Hawk, isn't this an alternative reality? So, that means in this "Timeline" they don't go to visit Vulcan, because, simply, in this reality it doesn't exist anymore.
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| Hawk, isn't this an alternative reality? So, that means in this "Timeline" they don't go to visit Vulcan, because, simply, in this reality it doesn't exist anymore. |
I think that's where they're probably going with it, yeah. But I also think they MAY be keeping their options open just in case. I do think the "alternate timeline" thing is a much more likely direction to take this, although I wish they wouldn't because it feels like a huge, HUUUGE cop out to me.
Not enough that I won't enjoy the other movies of course, but it is kind of irritating in its unecessary-ness.
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| Honestly, if you didn't like this movie for canon reasons get a life, and if you thought it was boring your a bitter jaded person (perhaps you've been working at a comic book store or a supermarket too long). It's a fantastic movie. |
I want to type a rebuttal to this, but I don't know if you'll be able to hear it all the way up on your high horse. We all get that you loved the movie, but that doesn't make your opinion right. Sure the vast majority of people seem to like it, but the vast majority of Germans suported Hitler.
As for taking your girlfriend to see this, I'd say go for it. I did say in the review that my girlfriend like the movie better than I did. Also, now that I'm further away from the movie, I think I want to move my rating up to a C+/B-. I was pretty unhappy with the end of it and I think that tainted my opinion of it. The best comparisson I can come up with for this movie is Full Metal Jacket: The first half when you're meeting all the new characters is great, but then when there's suppose to be an actual plot it goes completely downhill.
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I want to type a rebuttal to this, but I don't know if you'll be able to hear it all the way up on your high horse. We all get that you loved the movie, but that doesn't make your opinion right. Sure the vast majority of people seem to like it, but the vast majority of Germans suported Hitler.
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Speaking of high horses.  Even if it was just to illustrate a point, was this comparison REALLY necessary?
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Regardless of how the timeline goes I'm sure they'll make it good. Like I said earlier I'd like to see them maybe take classic episodes and expand on them.
Also I'm kind of torn between which of the three main characters was portrayed the best. Kirk was awesome as was Spock and McCoy. I seriously couldn't have asked for a better cast in this movie.
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Saw it earlier this evening and really liked it. In spite of a lack of an intellectual theme or content, I think it felt like a Star Trek movie. The main reason I believe that is because they did an outstanding job with the characters and their interactions.
Obviously, I'm frustrated by this alternate reality destroying Vulcan (and Romulus, but that's to a lesser extent since that's the "future" anyway). However, I might learn to accept it in time.
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| This is the fundamental problem with Star Trek, it does not do the characters themselves justice. Bones is handled very well and both Spocks are cool, but Kirk, Scotty, and Uhura are not handled well AT ALL. Neither is Chekov. Could they have made his accent any more annoying? I hope not. The problem with the movie isn't that reinvents famous scenarios like the Kobayashi Maru test; that is to be expected in a reboot. But it fundamentally changes who these people are and why they do what they do. And that is unacceptable. |
I have to vehemently disagree with you there Syd. They got the big three spot on, and any problems with the supporting cast were minor. Sure, the way Kirk took control of the ship was jerkish, and the Uhura/Spock relationship was random, odd, and unnecessary, but that pales in comparison to everything else they got right. Pine exuded the cowboy attitude of Kirk perfectly.
I also loved the lines/references to Khan, Voyage Home, and Undiscovered Country.
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I want to type a rebuttal to this, but I don't know if you'll be able to hear it all the way up on your high horse. We all get that you loved the movie, but that doesn't make your opinion right. Sure the vast majority of people seem to like it, but the vast majority of Germans suported Hitler.
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The comparison is never necessary, but it doesn't stop everyone else from doing it.
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Speaking of high horses. Even if it was just to illustrate a point, was this comparison REALLY necessary? |
Comparing people to Hitler/Nazis is always classy and credible.
Cattivo, maybe you're right. I honestly have a very hard time getting past the casting. Casting known actors like Quinto and especially Pegg is distracting because you recognize them and they're not disguised in any significant way. So you look at them, and you can't help but see Sylar and Shaun of the Dead. On top of that, it's hard for me to accept anyone other than original cast as those characters. Shatner et al didn't just play those characters on TV and in some movies, their likenesses were used in countless comic books, video games, novels, and a cartoon series. Shatner IS Captain Kirk. You can't think Kirk and not see Shatner any more than you can think Luke Skywalker and not see Mark Hamill. With something like Batman, it mostly doesn't matter who you cast. Batman has been drawn by many different people in many different styles, so pretty much any muscular photogenic guy can play Bruce Wayne/Batman. So there's not the same attachment.
The current direction of Bond franchise of failed casting. Daniel Craig doesn't fit the iconic look of previous Bonds, and people don't like it. Casino Royale did well due to Hollywood hype and paid-off critics, but Quantum of Solace fucking bombed. Theaters dropped it after three weeks. You know why? Because Craig isn't the Bond most people want. And once the toy was a little less shiny and a little less new, the pink shirt fans went home and the old school fans went back to the classic movies. And I could see that happening with Trek.
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