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Knyte
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From INQ:
IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE how dense reporters can be. Apple hires the technical brain trust behind the XBox 360 and the conclusion is the firm are making an iphone?
Let's backpedal. Apple grabbed Bob Drebin, Raja Koduri, PA Semi, Mark Papermaster, a few games guys, and undoubtedly many others we didn't hear of. That gives them the ATI ex-CTO, also ex-ArtX, makers of the Nintendo GPUs forever, and another ATI 'big thinker'. Lets just say they have the GPU side down there.
PA Semi has several low-power, high-performance modular PowerPC chips on the market now. They are basically SoCs, just slap in a GPU (see last paragraph) and you have - wait for it - a console.
To have a successful console, you need software people. If you are going to do it in a sane way, you might want a robust digital delivery and payment system. Something that looks a lot like itunes. They could build it, but they already own it. See a product coming coming into focus yet?
Given the timelines needed for making a console, especially given that the hard parts are already done, could be under years. That would beat every one of the big boys to the next generation. As Nintendo has shown, you don't need killer specs to make a fun and generation leading console.
The fanbois will work themselves into a lather over this one, a pedestrian game console from the Messiah? Will it still be white and reassuringly expensive? They, of course, won't believe it until the Dear Leader himself, back from hormone surgery, waves one about on stage - atill, who cares about them?
Analysts will cry "phone", but none of these new hires has phone experience - and Apple has most decidedly not been hiring phone/RF folk. It makes no sense for them to jump into phone chip waters, from the myriad frequencies, patent minefields, and obtuse world-wide regulations, it isn't worth it. You can buy those parts on the commodity market, so why make them? Apple also hired PPC people, not ARM, that in and of itself should be telling.
In the end, the course is clear. There have been a lot of whispers floating around the valley regarding Apple and consoles. Take a hugely underrated Mac Mini or Apple TV, throw in a low power PPC SoC with a solid GPU, fire up itunes, and you have a console. Not only that, but one that snakes the living room out from under MS. If you recall, that is the very reason they developed the 360, to block Sony from owning that nexus.
If you can't put the dots together on this one, you really need to have your internet licence revoked, you are too blind to surf. It is not a question of if but when at this point.
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Andrew Man
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Very good sleuth work Knyte, but yea I absolutely agree that its just a matter of 'when' at this point.
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Knyte
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Thanks, but not my work. Work of a staffer at The Inquirer. Hence, the "From INQ:" tag at the beginning.
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Andrew Man
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Ba'al
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So, now there could be four systems in the next generation? Now that is just too many for me....there's a good reason nowadays I've been losing interest in the current generation...
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SoldierHawk
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| Ba'al wrote: |
| So, now there could be four systems in the next generation? Now that is just too many for me....there's a good reason nowadays I've been losing interest in the current generation... |
QFT man. I still haven't progressed beyond PS2, and don't plan to.
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Ky-Guy
Title: Obscure Nintendo Gamer
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Half the reason I progressed to the Wii is because of the Virtual Console. While I like the current generation, I'm a hell of a lot more accustomed to 16-bit games.
Here's to you guys, SNES and Genesis. *Holds up his glass of rum*
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UsaSatsui
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The question is "Why?". Putting another console out there into a crowded market isn't a good idea, particularly when Apple's prior experience in competition with Microsoft is "getting it's ass kicked".
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Ky-Guy
Title: Obscure Nintendo Gamer
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| The question is "Why?". Putting another console out there into a crowded market isn't a good idea, particularly when Apple's prior experience in competition with Microsoft is "getting it's ass kicked". |
Don't forget the Pippin, the infamous collaboration between Apple Inc. and Bandai. That system did quite badly, apparently. I would never have guessed that Apple would go back into the console business after that flop.
And speaking of a fourth contender, are there any sources regarding the rumor that Sega was planning on going back into the console race in the next generation? I'd love to believe it, but I just can't without any sources.
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| iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash. |
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Slayer1
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I don't think Sega would have the balls to get back into the console arena once more. They lost to Nintendo and Sony, so if they put in another console, they better have fucking Shenmue III and a game that will save it like Halo.
If apple makes a system, I'm going to be interested as to how far it will go.
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Ky-Guy
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| Slayer1 wrote: |
I don't think Sega would have the balls to get back into the console arena once more. They lost to Nintendo and Sony, so if they put in another console, they better have fucking Shenmue III and a game that will save it like Halo.
If apple makes a system, I'm going to be interested as to how far it will go. |
What Sega should really do, in addition to making Shenmue III, is to make some new-retro games in addition to high-definition ones. For example, they need to make Sonic 4, Dynamite Headdy 2, Streets of Rage 4, a two-player version of Outrun, Ristar 2, and Amy Rose Adventures.
And I wonder if Apple will call their new console the "Pippin II."
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| iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash. |
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UsaSatsui
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| And speaking of a fourth contender, are there any sources regarding the rumor that Sega was planning on going back into the console race in the next generation? |
If I remember correctly, the founder's dying wish was to get out of the console business and just focus on games. As far as I know, they're out of it for good.
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Knyte
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| The question is "Why?". Putting another console out there into a crowded market isn't a good idea, particularly when Apple's prior experience in competition with Microsoft is "getting it's ass kicked". |
You youngins are funny.
4 consoles is too many! MuHaHaHaHaHa!
I remember when you could go out and buy any of the following at the same time:
Sega Genesis / 32X / CD / Nomad
Super Nintendo
Neo Geo AES / CD
TG-16 / CD / Duo
CDi
3D0
Amiga CD32
CDTV
LaserActive
Atari Jaguar
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Ky-Guy
Title: Obscure Nintendo Gamer
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| Knyte wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| The question is "Why?". Putting another console out there into a crowded market isn't a good idea, particularly when Apple's prior experience in competition with Microsoft is "getting it's ass kicked". |
You youngins are funny.
4 consoles is too many! MuHaHaHaHaHa!
I remember when you could go out and buy any of the following at the same time:
Sega Genesis / 32X / CD / Nomad
Super Nintendo
Neo Geo AES / CD
TG-16 / CD / Duo
CDi
3D0
Amiga CD32
CDTV
LaserActive
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I don't think that four consoles is too many. Sixteen consoles would be too many.
As much as I hate to admit it, I'm not really much of a Sony Playstation person. Sure, I don't have anything against the system, and I even think some of the games for that family of consoles are cool, but if that family died, I wouldn't really cry at all.
Honestly, I think we need more than three choices, and I think four or five is a healthy number of consoles.
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| iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash. |
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| Your love life will be happy and harmonious if you stick to masturbating. |
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UsaSatsui
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| Knyte wrote: |
| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| The question is "Why?". Putting another console out there into a crowded market isn't a good idea, particularly when Apple's prior experience in competition with Microsoft is "getting it's ass kicked". |
You youngins are funny.
4 consoles is too many! MuHaHaHaHaHa!
I remember when you could go out and buy any of the following at the same time:
Sega Genesis / 32X / CD / Nomad
Super Nintendo
Neo Geo AES / CD
TG-16 / CD / Duo
CDi
3D0
Amiga CD32
CDTV
LaserActive
Atari Jaguar |
Because we all know that Neo Geo, TurboGrafx 16, Jaguar, and the several CDi and 3D0 systems were rousing unparalleled successes, right?
I'm not sure the market could handle 4 successful systems. I'm surprised it can handle 3, and let's face it, if it were any other company but Nintendo that put out the N64 and GameCube, there wouldn't be 3 now.
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GPFontaine
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There is significantly less money in games than there is in music. I just don't believe it is a viable market and I also don't believe that Apple has ever or will ever be smart about platform development when it comes to console style video games.
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Ba'al
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Knyte, six out of those ten consoles sucked and failed for good reason, while two others were only decently popular in Japan.(Neo Geo and TG-16)
I think it's time for another crash, we need all the big budget companies to get the hell off of the gaming scene, back with the SNES and Genesis I could easily get a hundred good games to make a top 100 list. Meanwhile, I'm struggling to get a list of top 20 Xbox 360 games. It's not just the Wii getting shovelware, 360/PS3 are getting it too in the form of EA Sports titles, generic Halo/Doom rip-off #32, craptastic movie tie-in games, etc.
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Blackout
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| Ky-Guy wrote: |
| Don't forget the Pippin, the infamous collaboration between Apple Inc. and Bandai. That system did quite badly, apparently. I would never have guessed that Apple would go back into the console business after that flop. |
Why in the world would they name a console after Pippin from the Lord Of The Rings?
Also what's up with the Applejack controller? Isn't that some sort of copyright infringement issue with Apple Jacks Cereal?
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Knyte
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| There is significantly less money in games than there is in music. I just don't believe it is a viable market and I also don't believe that Apple has ever or will ever be smart about platform development when it comes to console style video games. |
Significantly less money in games? Is that a guess, or did you check out the facts:
According to the Yankee Group, By the end of 2007, digital music revenue in the US grew to $1.98 billion, and will reach $5.34 billion by 2012.
The worldwide videogame business will reach $57 billion in revenue in 2009, largely escaping any negative impact from today’s soft economy, according to DFC Intelligence forecasts.
Video Games revenue is ten times more today, then digital music revenue will hit in 2012.
There is alot of money in the video game market, even more now with digital distribution and DLC on the rise, which is even more profitable due to the cut out of all the middle men. So, I can see that many companies want a slice of the pie from Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.
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Ky-Guy
Title: Obscure Nintendo Gamer
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| Blackout wrote: |
| Ky-Guy wrote: |
| Don't forget the Pippin, the infamous collaboration between Apple Inc. and Bandai. That system did quite badly, apparently. I would never have guessed that Apple would go back into the console business after that flop. |
Why in the world would they name a console after Pippin from the Lord Of The Rings?
Also what's up with the Applejack controller? Isn't that some sort of copyright infringement issue with Apple Jacks Cereal?  |
Apparently, as Wikipedia said, the system is actually named after the Newtown Pippin, which is an apple cultivar and a cousin of the McIntosh.
And I guess the controller is called the Applejack because of the company that designed it.
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| iPhone games are what you play when you can't get at actual games. You know, like how sometimes alcoholics drink mouthwash. |
| Lexiabot9000 wrote: |
| Your love life will be happy and harmonious if you stick to masturbating. |
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Knyte
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I think Apple should name thier console "Cyanide" because:
A: It's found in apple seeds.
B: It will probably die a quick death.
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docinsano
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I doubt that this "new Apple gaming console" you speak of will ever be released. The console market is congested as it is and the only way I could see Apple entering the console business is in handhelds. But then again I got lost in all the commotion and I'm not really sure what all this hubbub is about
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Syd Lexia
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| UsaSatsui wrote: |
| Knyte wrote: |
Sega Genesis / 32X / CD / Nomad
Super Nintendo
Neo Geo AES / CD
TG-16 / CD / Duo
CDi
3D0
Amiga CD32
CDTV
LaserActive
Atari Jaguar |
Because we all know that Neo Geo, TurboGrafx 16, Jaguar, and the several CDi and 3D0 systems were rousing unparalleled successes, right? |
This. The mid-90s was a terrible time for the video game industry. The transition between the fourth and fifth generation was a difficult one that saw the release of many consoles. The increased price of both games and consoles, combined with the lack of staying power that most of these consoles had, destroyed consumer confidence in the products and nearly led to death of the console industry. Even the PlayStation, which would go on to be one of the most successful consoles of all-time, had a rough start. First released in 1995 in North America, it would not truly catch on until 1997.
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Slayer1
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I still remember standing at a BJ's video Game section waiting for my turn to play Loaded, only to realize it wouldn't load...
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IceWarm
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I personally don't think the market can support four consoles.
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