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From an interview with former MTV VJ Iann Robinson
FCF: Some of your most notable reporting was on MTV News short-lived show "The Assignment." I remember an interview you did with Britney Spears, years ago, that really humanized her. You've blogged about the troubles she's having right now and the role the media, and MTV in particular, have played in all of it. It's not as though you are a fan of her music, or "performances," or anything, but the situation does seem emblematic of a lot of what is wrong with pop culture right now. Please elaborate on that, if you will.
IANN: Pop Culture in and of itself is a dead idea, a forgotten tagline given to try and pretend that anything out there is really born of an organic move by people who have discovered something new. America is a corporation now, not a country, and as we continue to act and parade around like the new Roman Empire we can’t see what’s happening right in front of us. We spend so much time worrying about the attacks from other countries, the global terrorism that could hit us from out there, it’s always out there somewhere. The funny part is that all diseases rot you from the inside. America is like the athlete that has no idea he has colon cancer. While we focus on making sure our outsides are tough and looking good, inside we’re rotting from the core.
Look at the guts of America right now, really examine it. The country is being run by a fascist dictator who’s is dangerously ignorant, taxes are out of control, gas prices are insane, the American people are the fattest bunch of fucks in the world, the American people are hated the world over, there is an immoral and illegal war raging right now, innocent men and women are being sent to die by rich powerful men, high school drop outs are at an all time high, college tuition is impossible to pay, jobs are vanishing from our shores, the environment is about to revolt against us, the country is rotting from the inside out. Usually when that happens there is a cultural shift towards rebellion that tries to counter act that which strives to kill us. Art, rebellion, music, film, that is the penicillin by which we educate people to the ills of the country and maybe make some change. The sixties had it with the hippies, the seventies had it with the punk movement, even the eighties and early nineties had independent music and film which begin to show how outraged the unheard masses were at what was going on. Things changed, it got a little better. Where is that now? The country is in worse straits than it has ever been in and there is no cultural rebellion at all. What we have now is American Idol, Reality TV and other things to placate people into not paying attention to what’s going on around them.
Look at 9/11, that was one of the most horrible days in the history of our country and yet all we got from it was “Go get ‘em.” Nobody asked why would they do this to us. Nobody wanted to educate himself or herself on what we were facing and maybe what mistakes had we made that lead to this travesty. Nope, all it meant was go buy a fucking flag asshole and start attacking anybody who might look Middle Eastern. 9/11 is a huge example of America’s inability to look at who we really are. Columbine High School, the shooting that happened there was terrible but another great chance for us as a people to examine what’s really going on. Imagine if the parents of the shooters stood up and admitted their part, the victims parents stood up and said “Perhaps I didn’t teach my children to be tolerant.”, the administration admitted they didn’t do enough and so on. We might actually make headway in changing things. But no, can’t do that. Instead we’ll blame it on Marilyn Manson and how evil music and violent movies caused them to shoot the place up. Sighhhh, ok great, now we’ve pushed away any self-examination and turned it into a quest against heavy metal. Even when we tried to face the gun control issue we were told that it’s Un-American to not arm yourself and that the actual GUNS THAT KILLED THOSE KIDS wasn’t the problem. The problem was heavy metal. Wow, are we that fucking blind?
What’s happening now to the country is a direct result of the corporatization of America. MTV and the mass media outlets are assigned to keep America too stupid to realize what’s going on. If you drive through Middle America, the South, any rural to suburban spread in our country it all looks the same. It’s mini-malls, Olive Gardens and, of course, Wal-marts. It’s scary out there; it all looks the same, all of it. If you are outside of a major city you can be anywhere in the country and you wouldn’t know where you were. Wal-mart bleeds communities dry of local shops and businesses and nobody cares. Wal-Mart does things to their workers that fray the legal branch in order to save themselves money even though they make huge yearly profits. Nobody cares, and they don’t care because the prices are so low. Nobody can argue with those prices because the American Government makes it nearly impossible to make ends meet in this country. Your wages get taxed, then you’re taxed on EVERYTHING you buy, own or even do. After that you have to fork over for Health Care and then try and support yourselves and a family. So once again we’re kept down by Big Business and Government and nobody can pay attention to the corporate ass rapings because who can really afford to?
We even know and have proof that global warming is happening, that it’s causing massive weather shifts in the world. Tsunamis, storms, we don’t even have a FUCKING SPRING anymore, and we have winters that don’t get below 45 degrees. Yet with all of that going on we’re told “Nope, no Global Warming, shut up.” And the American people buy it. Government has always lied to the people and bullied its way through things but now it does it boldly, right in front of us. Lewis Black said it best, he said they come out, pull their pants down and take a big shit in front of our eyes and we don’t do anything. Why? Because media outlets like MTV just keep pumping idiocy at us and keeping us too stupid to realize that we’re getting fucked. MTV is no different than any other media outlet, they are there to make sure people stay stupid and keep consuming. If people are worried about fake fashion, bad TV and can they afford to “Live Like A Rock Star” then nobody will look at how bad things really are. MTV is like the big stupid muscle for a mafia family. They have no idea what they’re doing, they just take orders. I went to dinner with a major MTV executive who told me straight out that MTV isn’t interested in music or music videos because you can’t sell ad space with music videos.
So as far as Britney Spears goes, she’s just a casualty of the corporate desire to keep America stupid and satiated. Britney was snatched up as a child, trained to be a responsive robot and do as she was told. Nobody can do that forever so when the cracks in her perfect armor started showing it became another chance for people to look at what was happening to America. Britney is the embodiment of Middle America and suburban life. So when she started to come apart at the seams they had to turn her into a joke, turn her into somebody who was awful and couldn’t control themselves. MTV joined right along because that’s what they do best. MTV is the master of taking something, sucking the life out of it and then laughing at it when it’s time in the spotlight is over. When MTV booked Britney for that live performance, they knew they’d either ride the coattails of her big comeback or they could milk the footage of her falling on her face and that’s what they did. Media outlets replayed that footage over and over and over and MTV’s name was attached to all of it. If MTV was so concerned for her why not keep the footage from being shown, lock it up? Why keep showing the audience laughing at her? They won’t answer those questions, will they?
MTV and the media in general have trained our children to stay stupid, say quiet and consume. Got a problem, go the mall!! All music that has any thought process to it has been marginalized to the point of being nonexistent. Punk Rock has become a fashion trend, and now if you stick the name “Punk” in front of anything that makes it punk. Hip Hop has been turned into a joke, a danceable laundry list of what these idiots have purchased this week. We went from Public Enemy, BDP, Jungle Brothers, NWA and so forth to Jay Z and 50 Cent…I think we can see the drop in quality there. MTV hawks a lifestyle, not music, that makes it easier to laugh at things that they once championed without people saying “What a minute you fucks, you LOVED this a year ago.”
So, here we are, America is rotting from the inside and nobody does anything. The kids stay plugged into shows like Gossip Girls and reality this and that, adults stay tuned to the News so they can constantly know how fucked they really are and meanwhile the Cancer eats at America undisturbed. At this point I welcome it, if there’s a massive tidal wave I’ll be on the sand with a beach chair. I’m polishing my skis for the ice age, I’m preparing an easy death for when some disease is released by accident or on purpose and we’re all stuck in The Stand. There’s no reason to even try anymore because nobody cares and nobody will. I quote Bill Hicks: “Shut up America, your Government is in control, shut up and be free America.”
Thoughts?
(Note: This interview was done about a year or so ago, so by "facist dictator" he's referring to Bush, not Obama.  )
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Syd Lexia
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I wonder if ZacK de la Rocha's in the market for a new biffle, cuz Iann could definitely fill that role.
Long story short: this is basic sixth-grade "My friend made me listen to Rage Against The Machine, so now I'm like all political and stuff" left wing trolling.
The guy was asked a question, sort of, about how pop culture has victimized Britney Spears. Instead, he goes off on a rant about Iraq and George Bush and a bunch of other stuff that has nothing to with what he was asked. You know who else does that? Fred Phelps, the crazy homophobic "religious" nutjob.
"Hey Fred, nice weather we're having."
"It would be a lot nicer if there weren't FAGS in our country."
See, Fred Phelps is a one issue guy. Every goddamn conversation you start with him immediately becomes about how gays are ruining America. And that's exactly why no one likes Billy Maher and Mikey Moore, because they're a couple of Debbie Downers. Michael Moore could be delivering a toast at his best friend's wedding and it would somehow turn into a rant about how President Obama should cease all military action in Afghanistan and Iraq and bring our troops home, because he doesn't know how to do anything else than be a vapid mouthpiece for the far left. Iann is apparently the same, and his whiny cynicism is tired, myopic, naive, and trite.
As for pop culture being dead. It is not. If anything, we have more control over pop culture now than ever before. Radio is irrelevant. MTV is irrelevant. Bands and songs become popular through viral YouTube links and Guitar Hero. DragonForce's "Through The Fire And The Flame" is recognizable to more people than Britney Spear's latest single. For the most part, pop culture isn't manufactured by corporations anymore. It's determined by bored college students.
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Well, I think to say "Pop Culture is a dead idea", I believe you need to have some sort of long introspective look at what's going on in America, because that's not something you can back up with a mere paragraph going "poor Britney Spears." With not so much emphasis on Bush and Iraq, the whole "America is like the star athlete that has cancer" schtick is why I posted this here.
I mean think about it, everytime so sort of disaster strikes in this country we do have the chance to change, but for whatever reason, we don't. In the particular case on 9/11, I have the answer:
I think any human being wouldn't change out of spite if anybody thought the way to make someone change was by attacking someone. I mean shit, if we did change we would be justifying that person's actions. Perhaps the reason we didn't change after 9/11 is because we thought it would give outside countries a motive to attack us more.
And for the record, I'm all for trying to make good come out of a bad situation, but there are some situations that people just have to stand up and say no.
As for my beloved Maher, its no wonder your bitter at him Syd, as last weeks New Rules pretty much repeatedly slapped the Republican partys every accusation against Obama in the face with a penis. I mean really...bad gift giving skills, who cares?
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Honestly, pop culture is dead because the nature of what is popular has changed so much. As Syd said, Radio is basically irrelevant, and MTV definitely is. Plus, with more people around, there will be a much greater difference in tastes. What was once pop culture is now made up of several cultures that dominate society.
Also, I wouldn't really relate Iann to RAtM. RAtM believes that things are unfair, that the poor are getting shafted, that there is too much injustice in big business, that right wing politics are corrupt. Whether this is right or wrong is up for debate, Iann isn't just blaming the government, he is blaming everyone. He is calling everyone an idiot and that everything is corrupt, that America itself is to blame.
Also, Moore is an asshole because he pulls ideas and facts out of his ass, he is perfectly capable of saying none leftist things, he is just a douche bag of a person
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Bill Maher is a petty quipster and does not represent me or any aspect of athiesm that I endorse. They all are. Our media has found success in opinion news, where some fat clown waxes on about what he thinks about things, and then argues with some put upon declared enemy. Its as subtle as wrestling, without the joy of an elbow drop off the top rope or a suprise wrestler coming in. (liberels just got a new one, the ed show, desperately trying not to lose the arms race with Fox News)
Big music is being torn apart, they can't manage to make a profit cause they are out of touch with the modern generation. Movies are suffering too. My grandmother can get pirate CDs from my uncle, and thats just for people who haven't discovered torrenting onto a terabyte drive yet.
I really don't know what he's talking about. Global warming is a huge deal for a lot of people, all sorts of people called columbine on blaming heavy metal, MTV is considered by many to be a giant joke cause they don't show any real music. Hippies and punks and alt all ended up sorta as a style, which is cause music movements oft find their biggest support in teenagers looking for an identity. Its almost like this was written by a baby boomer who has lost touch with the youth and assumes that people believe whatever the media tells them. Oh wait.
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| RobotGumshoe wrote: |
| all sorts of people called columbine on blaming heavy metal, |
I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying here. Ian also points out that people chose to blame Columbine on heavy metal, or are you arguing that people called bullshit on Columbine blaming heavy metal?
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Well, at least he's an optimist.
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| Well, at least he's an optimist. |
But he has his doubts.
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| Black Zarak wrote: |
| I'll tell you what's dead; vaudeville! And the talking pictures are the bullet that killed it! But you can still make it kid, you just need a hook. I for one am a tumbler... |
SPLAT!
Barnaby play me out!
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
As for pop culture being dead. It is not. If anything, we have more control over pop culture now than ever before. Radio is irrelevant. MTV is irrelevant. Bands and songs become popular through viral YouTube links and Guitar Hero. DragonForce's "Through The Fire And The Flame" is recognizable to more people than Britney Spear's latest single. For the most part, pop culture isn't manufactured by corporations anymore. It's determined by bored college students. |
No, pop culture isn't dead, it's just more vapid and brainless than it's been since the '80s. The average band on the top 10 doesn't challenge anybody's way of thinking, the top-grossing movies are either mindless action flicks or dick jokes (Save for Wall-E which was such a scathing satire I'm surprised it was released), and the most popular TV shows are uninspired drivel.
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| JRA wrote: |
| RobotGumshoe wrote: |
| all sorts of people called columbine on blaming heavy metal, |
I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying here. Ian also points out that people chose to blame Columbine on heavy metal, or are you arguing that people called bullshit on Columbine blaming heavy metal? |
"What I meant to say was "Here are some shoes for this festive occasion!", but ended up saying was "Fucking SHOES! BLREAAAHH"
What I buggered up saying is that people didn't really go along with the Marylin Manson causing Columbine. It just kinda sounded like that cause there were people with agendas and vendettas who are very loud.
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| Greg the White wrote: |
| Syd Lexia wrote: |
As for pop culture being dead. It is not. If anything, we have more control over pop culture now than ever before. Radio is irrelevant. MTV is irrelevant. Bands and songs become popular through viral YouTube links and Guitar Hero. DragonForce's "Through The Fire And The Flame" is recognizable to more people than Britney Spear's latest single. For the most part, pop culture isn't manufactured by corporations anymore. It's determined by bored college students. |
No, pop culture isn't dead, it's just more vapid and brainless than it's been since the '80s. The average band on the top 10 doesn't challenge anybody's way of thinking, the top-grossing movies are either mindless action flicks or dick jokes (Save for Wall-E which was such a scathing satire I'm surprised it was released), and the most popular TV shows are uninspired drivel. |
What the hell are you on? Did you even see the 80's?
Was there some kind of cultural renaissance when I wasn't looking? Its the decade that brought us like phil collins, Rocky IV, and well I can't name any TV shows from the 80s but I'm pretty sure like about 90% was soulless nonsense. Alf. Alf, there we go.
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Gumshoe, he was saying that pop culture was awful in the 80s and has only gotten worse since then.
The average band in the Top 10 in the 60s and 70s didn't exactly challenge people ways of thinking either. When the Beatles were selling the most records, they were singing vapid and brainless songs about holding hands and loving people eight days a week. As they got more artistic, their record sales dropped significantly. The top selling artists of the 70s weren't political activists like Bob Dylan and CSNY, they were losers like Harry Chapin, Dan Fogelberg, Debbie Boone, and Cat Stevens.
Pop culture is what it is. If you want to remember the onset of the 21st century for According To Jim and the worst seasons of SNL ever recorded instead of LOST and The Office, go for it. And if you want to remember the 80s for Tiffany and the Care Bears instead of Max Headroom and Time Bandits, go for it. But you're skewing things. There's always good and there's always bad; you have to take them both.
And there you have the facts of life.
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Mrs. Garrett would be proud.
And poor Terry Gilliam; making something as sweet as Time Bandits and then releasing The Brothers Grimm. *Sigh*
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I agree with ya Syd, but the lowest common denominator material is really getting on my nerves lately - more than before. I think it's the onset and staying ability of reality tv.
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Yeah, the lowest common denominator is certainly lower than it's ever been before.
And aside from some cheesy CGI, Brothers Grimm was pretty cool.
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| RobotGumshoe wrote: |
| Greg the White wrote: |
| Syd Lexia wrote: |
As for pop culture being dead. It is not. If anything, we have more control over pop culture now than ever before. Radio is irrelevant. MTV is irrelevant. Bands and songs become popular through viral YouTube links and Guitar Hero. DragonForce's "Through The Fire And The Flame" is recognizable to more people than Britney Spear's latest single. For the most part, pop culture isn't manufactured by corporations anymore. It's determined by bored college students. |
No, pop culture isn't dead, it's just more vapid and brainless than it's been since the '80s. The average band on the top 10 doesn't challenge anybody's way of thinking, the top-grossing movies are either mindless action flicks or dick jokes (Save for Wall-E which was such a scathing satire I'm surprised it was released), and the most popular TV shows are uninspired drivel. |
What the hell are you on? Did you even see the 80's?
Was there some kind of cultural renaissance when I wasn't looking? Its the decade that brought us like phil collins, Rocky IV, and well I can't name any TV shows from the 80s but I'm pretty sure like about 90% was soulless nonsense. Alf. Alf, there we go. |
I meant that SINCE the '80s, pop culture has been overwhelmingly brainless (save for a short stop in the mid-'90s).
I remember a few years ago when punk got popular through bands like Yellowcard and Simple Plan screaming about their girlfriends or something. I would go to an actual punk show, and see kids decked out in $200 worth of Hot Topic clothing. Then the second the band would start playing, these people would start plugging their ears with their fingers, glaring at people who moved around or moshed, and would eventually leave before the first set was done. They weren't there to hear a band that was trying new things with music or writing interesting lyrics, they just wanted to look cool and get laid. These are the people now who are downloading a rip-off of a Culture Club song about oral sex right now. They don't care about evolving arts, they'd rather just skim through their lives receiving a check-minus (see me!!!!) culture that eventually leads them to the grave with a frown on their face.
Say what you will about Dylan or post-Pepper's Beatles not being mainstream, but they were at least popular, and influenced a lot of artists like Pink Floyd that did get popular and create great music. We have very little mainstream things to inspire anybody anymore, all it does is make us sit our asses in front of a screen, leaving to consume.
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Wow, you could use some prozac Greg.
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Oh god. Is this one of those Nirvana is the most important thing to happen in post-disco America rants? Cuz that's the exact opposite of how I feel.
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Oh god. Is this one of those Nirvana is the most important thing to happen in post-disco America rants? Cuz that's the exact opposite of how I feel. |
Eh, Nirvana was talented, and definitely was what was needed to counter the 10+ years of glitz and excess with little substance, but they definitely weren't incredibly important for the human race. Good Charlotte was the true musical revolution (OMG BENJI MARRY ME).
All I'm saying with that rant is that people aren't challenged mentally anymore. They kind of just consume the next big marketing hype, without thinking "why? Why am I wearing a fortune's worth of clothes that will be uncool in two weeks, and sucking down every type of food just because it has a skateboarding animal on the front?" Instead of wondering what on earth we truly want and focusing on being happy, they're too afraid to leave the pack because they want to be socially accepted, whether or not they're truly satisfied. These are the people who are racists because "it was their upbringing," or join their third-world country's death squads "for their country." They don't examine themselves and the world around them, and it's just kind of worse for the world.
Oh, and no prozac for me. Damned if my school therapist didn't try, though. I'm done with the rants on this thread.
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| Greg the White wrote: |
| Oh, and no prozac for me. Damned if my school therapist didn't try, though. |
I still remember the story of my 12th grade English AP teacher telling my mother during teacher conferences that I should get therapy - just because I disagreed with her about literature. God forbid I didn't swallow her PC interpretations of supposedly "quality" novels. It was quite the departure for my mother who was used to hearing how good I was. Six months later, I was valedictorian, so F U Mrs. Taylor!
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| Greg the White wrote: |
I meant that SINCE the '80s, pop culture has been overwhelmingly brainless (save for a short stop in the mid-'90s). |
What was the short stop in the mid-'90s when pop culture wasn't brainless? Because I don't remember a point when that was true. And pop culture has always been brainless. The majority of people are, and have always been, stupid. That means for something to be popular it has to be stupid. It's easy for us to look back on shit that happened before we were born with fond memories because only the best of it was able to survive, but pop culture will pretty much always lack artistic value.
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| Cattivo wrote: |
| Greg the White wrote: |
| Oh, and no prozac for me. Damned if my school therapist didn't try, though. |
I still remember the story of my 12th grade English AP teacher telling my mother during teacher conferences that I should get therapy - just because I disagreed with her about literature. God forbid I didn't swallow her PC interpretations of supposedly "quality" novels. It was quite the departure for my mother who was used to hearing how good I was. Six months later, I was valedictorian, so F U Mrs. Taylor! |
I've gotta know which novels they were. Cause a lot of "good" writing in my opinion is junk thats been hyped for so long that nobody actually likes reading it anymore, its just that its said its good so people swallow that pill of literati authority.
And Greg. I've got a big news flash. YOUR GENERATION IS NOT EVEN THAT SPECIAL. Every generation as long as there has been capitalism and the means to accomplish have had retarded fads and mindless consumerism. Do you know why? Its cause teenagers are at a stage in their life where they are trying to develop an identity and join a group. So your going to get fad teenyboppers who think its cool to wear pomps and leather jackets, or tye-dye and flowers, or freaky chest hair and polyester, or members only jackets and mullets, or whatever.
So stop suscribing to the myth that the baby boomers have created that somehow there was a golden age where nobody conformed and they successfully fought the man and nobody had to get a job where you had to wear a tie and nobody got shunted out a group cause they thought the spirit trance was kinda dumb.
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| RobotGumshoe wrote: |
| I've gotta know which novels they were. Cause a lot of "good" writing in my opinion is junk thats been hyped for so long that nobody actually likes reading it anymore, its just that its said its good so people swallow that pill of literati authority. |
I definitely agree with you. Unfortunately, the only two books I remember at the moment are not good examples of this. One book was about a young Swedish girl in the Middle Ages and her love life. It was like a poor-man's Jane Austen. The other was some Toni Morrison novella about a young black girl who had some trauma, I forget what kind, but some combo of rape, abortion, and suicide.
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