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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
PostPosted: Feb 26 2009 11:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

So we have this quote:
H.L. Mencken wrote:
The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naive and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime. He is a good citizen driven to despair.

I offer this:
George Orwell wrote:
The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States. Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of western countries.
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Cattivo
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PostPosted: Feb 26 2009 11:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

Extremism of any kind is bad, and radicalism by definition refers to extreme political ideologies. Moderation is usually the answer.

Pacifists usually fail to recognize that while the world does consist of shades of grey, the great questions of our time always deal with good & evil. In spite of their desire to push moral relativism, there's still groups of people who want to help others with nothing expected in return, and there's still other groups of people who get pleasure out of killing, and deny people their rights as human beings, such as free speech, religion, press, & assembly.
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JRA
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PostPosted: Feb 26 2009 06:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This thread makes me ashamed to like Public Enemy. Sad


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There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
 
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 12:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i dont really have a response to Syd in terms of his quote. i never meant the Mencken quote to represent myself, since i am not a radical and i dont hate any country. i just felt it was an appropriate way to understand what the people i read about felt (i.e. Che Guevara, Huey P. Newton, Malcolm X et. al.)


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Cattivo
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 01:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
i just felt it was an appropriate way to understand what the people i read about felt (i.e. Che Guevara, Huey P. Newton, Malcolm X et. al.)


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http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html

I love wearing that shirt, especially at the poker table. Sparks a lot of conversations.
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Title: owner of a lonely heart
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 01:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
username wrote:
i just felt it was an appropriate way to understand what the people i read about felt (i.e. Che Guevara, Huey P. Newton, Malcolm X et. al.)


**shirt**
http://www.thoseshirts.com/noche.html

I love wearing that shirt, especially at the poker table. Sparks a lot of conversations.

hehe, well played sir. i personally like this one instead:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/lousy.html


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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 01:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I like this one better: http://www.thoseshirts.com/reagan.html

It is the perfect t-shirt. If you're surrounded by liberals, say you're wearing it because you find the juxtaposition of Reagan and Che Guevara to be ironic. If you're surrounded by conservatives, say you're wearing it because Reagan was awesome. It's great for formal occasions too!
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Cattivo
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 01:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I have that one in green Syd Very Happy

I also have the Reagan on Mt. Rushmore shirt, as well as the Reagan version of the Obama portrait, with "Right" in place of "Hope". Only recently bought those two though, so I haven't had a chance to wear them yet because of the winter weather, and having to wear button-downs five days a week at work.

I have several others from there, but I often just use them as undershirts - like the RC: Reagan Conservative shirt, the old school conservative shirt, and the hippies smell shirt.
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Burt Reynolds
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 02:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Don't they make a version of your shirt that also has the header Commies Suck or something of that nature, Cattivo.
EDIT: After literally seconds of my own research:
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I like this one. Specially because I like black.


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Cattivo
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 02:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oooh, I've never seen that one on the site before. That's awesome. I gotta get that the next time I order from them.
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Greg the White
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PostPosted: Mar 19 2009 05:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

"Radical" as a term is nondescript. Yes, Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar, Vladimir Lenin, all of them were radicals who did bad. Then there's Martin Luther King, Thomas Jefferson, Frederick Douglass, or those who wanted more worker's rights in the late 19th century were all considered radicals in their time. Politcally, a radical seems to be one who actively challenges and works against a social force that they deem or believe to be wrong. There are radicals I admire, and ones I revile. Those that sicken me on a larger base, though, are the ones who know there's injustice and good things they could be doing, but make no effort forward because they're scared of losing their precious convenience.

I particularly like this quote I read somewhere:


"This is why I have come, in these recent years, to despise these people (self-fashioned "moderates"). There is no abomination on this earth worth an emotional outburst, in their minds -- no conflict worth a raised voice. There is only the mushy, cowardly middle, one that never stands for anything too much or critiques anything too loudly. They all stink like fish, they have been praising the status quo for so long and so colorlessly -- and yet they fancy themselves intellectuals for it, and even presume themselves courageous for it."


So here's to you Mrs. Robinson. People love you more- oh, nevermind.
 
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