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I've heard that most of those, who hadnt read the comic, had an idea what was going on.
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I thought the movie was alright, but that's it. I also feel pretty confident that if you were to watch this movie without having read the comic that you would have absolutely no fucking idea what was going on. |
Once again, I'd like to point out that you have no taste, sir.
Jeebus seriously hates pretty much everything that is awesome, except Venture Brothers. He has that much taste at least...
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Black Zarak wrote: |
Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
I thought the movie was alright, but that's it. I also feel pretty confident that if you were to watch this movie without having read the comic that you would have absolutely no fucking idea what was going on. |
Once again, I'd like to point out that you have no taste, sir.
Jeebus seriously hates pretty much everything that is awesome, except Venture Brothers. He has that much taste at least... |
I was watching Venture Brothers this morning in fact!
I just think the ending for the movie doesn't work. I know the last scene makes the details of his plan moot anyway, but the new plan makes no sense to me at all. I have to say, though, the reaction from fans of the graphic novel have been very mixed. The story is too intricate to take place in 3 hours or so, and I'll probably see the director's cut in theaters, as I think 25 more minutes could really make all the difference, but the mixed reaction shows that they cut or altered stuff that I thought was the most important, but others did not.
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Yeah, the ending is definitely fudged a little and the reasons behind it stupid (once they realize Manhattan isn't coming back anytime soon, won't the world's nations just start fighting again?) but I understand why they changed it; putting in the whole genetically engineered alien squid plot would have taken another hour of time at least to explain sufficiently.
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So I'd never even heard the name Watchmen, until the movie was announced, and I have no interest in seeing it. My only contribution to this thread is as follows: Wouldn't Dr. Manhattan's scenes gotten really akward during filming? Especially if the one girl was in the scene.
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So I'd never even heard the name Watchmen, until the movie was announced, and I have no interest in seeing it. My only contribution to this thread is as follows: Wouldn't Dr. Manhattan's scenes gotten really akward during filming? Especially if the one girl was in the scene. |
Well, from what the actor said on the Daily Show, most of Dr. M is CGI. He himself was in one of those motion-capture leotards the whole time, so I think it was probably fine.
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Yeah, that big blue cock is pure CGI.
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Haha people really did make to big a of deal about this.
I mean if I was as ambivalent towards humanity as Doctor Manhattan, underwear would be of very little concern to me. I would have much larger problems swimming around my head.
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(once they realize Manhattan isn't coming back anytime soon, won't the world's nations just start fighting again?) |
Well yes but even after the nations combined to stop the vagina squid they would eventually start to fight again and likewise eventually after being on constant watch (get it) for Manhattan they will fight each other again. In both situations any peace achieved would be short lived.
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Optimist With Doubts wrote: |
Black Zarak wrote: |
(once they realize Manhattan isn't coming back anytime soon, won't the world's nations just start fighting again?) |
Well yes but even after the nations combined to stop the vagina squid they would eventually start to fight again and likewise eventually after being on constant watch (get it) for Manhattan they will fight each other again. In both situations any peace achieved would be short lived. |
So true, I didn't even think about it like that.
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So I'd never even heard the name Watchmen, until the movie was announced, and I have no interest in seeing it. My only contribution to this thread is as follows: Wouldn't Dr. Manhattan's scenes gotten really akward during filming? Especially if the one girl was in the scene. |
Don't watch The Dreamers.
Anyway, on topic, fucking great movie., I loved it. I had just read the comic a few days before, and really liked it, but I'm not much of a comic reader.
And I don't think anyone should complain about fidelity to the source material for this flick. Most of the dialogue is straight from the comic.
Rorschach was amazing. So was the Comedian. Dr. Manhattan bored me but he did in the comic, too. The dong wasn't that big of a deal.
I actually think Patrick Wilson did a really good job as well. He won't get accolades or anything, but he got the nerdiness and awkwardness of the character down pat. When he was cast, I thought Nite Owl II would just be some pretty boy fuck that I would hate. Not the case.
Great flick. It gets the SpehorSeal of approval.
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Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
I thought the movie was alright, but that's it. I also feel pretty confident that if you were to watch this movie without having read the comic that you would have absolutely no fucking idea what was going on. |
I've been encouraging my old man to at least look through the book before seeing the movie for that very reason. I was surprised how many nods their were to the book, the movie is for Watchmen fans and may alienate from people who have yet to read the book.
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ReeperTheSeeker wrote: |
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I thought the movie was alright, but that's it. I also feel pretty confident that if you were to watch this movie without having read the comic that you would have absolutely no fucking idea what was going on. |
I've been encouraging my old man to at least look through the book before seeing the movie for that very reason. I was surprised how many nods their were to the book, the movie is for Watchmen fans and may alienate from people who have yet to read the book. |
Agreed here. I have been doing the same with my pops actually.
I just love how faithful so many of the elements were. After seeing the violence in the flick, it made me chuckle at the notion that some people were uncertain whether this would be PG13 or R.
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I just saw this on Sunday and I want to talk about it so I don't forget anything, so for those of you that haven't seen it yet there are probably gonna be spoilers. First off I didn't think it was as great as it was made out to be. I read about it so much (Wikipedia) and watched a lot of stuff on TV about it (G4 special) and it was hyped up to be suck a kick ass movie. I was expecting to come out the theater feeling the same way I did when I saw Lord of the Rings (like I was going to go home and eat cold beans and kill dogs or something). Don't get me wrong, it was a really good movie, but there was just too much coverage of it. I sort of felt neutral after I saw it. I don't know, maybe I should give it another day or so to sink in. I think what mostly made me feel underwhelmed was that they put so much work into recreating sets straight out of the book, and they put an amazing amount of detail into everything (most of it wasn't even seen in the movie), but in the end you really didn't notice it. I also thought some of the CGI was terrible, particularly Bubastis. She looked absolutely horrible and unrealistic. The only other CGI part I didn't like was the beginning where the smiley button is being swallowed up by the pool of blood, but that isn't really a big deal. Everything big like Dr. Manhattan and the Owl ship looked good so no complaints there. I thought the actors did a really good job for the most part. Jackie Earl Haley did a great job as Rorschach. When I first saw he was going to be playing the part I thought he didn't have the right look, but they really made him look great and he was great and it was all great. The guy who did Nite Owl II was also good and I thought he really got the character down. Silk Spectre was okay, she didn't blow me away or anything but I imagined her about the same in the book. All the parts with the Comedian were awesome. Dr. Manhattan was good too, he was pretty interesting in the book but he sort of annoyed me in the movie. His voice didn't seem right to me, I was expecting more of an echoy godlike voice. However, I thought the parts showing his past as Osterman were done superbly. I think they character they improved the most on was Adrian/Ozymadias. In the book he was my least favorite, but he was really improved upon in the movie. He was made into a more villainous character and I think the book/movie really needed someone like that. His costume was darker and the tone surrounding his character was sort of dark which really added to his whole persona. Steering away from the characters for a moment I'd like to say that I think it would be very difficult to see this movie without having some sort of background with the book. You could probably get the basic story down, but there are so many things thrown in for the fans that a casual viewer just wouldn't notice. I've heard from a few people who hadn't read the book that they got what was going on so maybe I'm completely wrong there. I just think that you can appreciate the movie more if you've read the book, and that if I hadn't read the book, I wouldn't have liked the movie as much. It's not really important but the scene right before New York gets blown up that shows the kid reading Tales of the Black Freighter with the news vendor would have gone over most people's heads, but to me it was pretty cool to see them in there.
Sheesh, that's not even the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more I can say that I just can't think of, but I'm gonna have to stop. Sorry if there are any typos (which I'm sure there are).
TL;DR I like the movie, thought it was as good as it could be but it just didn't blow me away like I thought it would. The characters were faithful to their comic book counter parts and everything was awesome, but I just see the move as an addition to go along with the comic book.
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I actually liked Osterman's voice in the movie and thought it reflected the character of Doctor Manhattan quite well.
Its calm, absolute and contemplative.
I agree and feel that it should be understood that one should refer to the book if they want the real story, the movie is an entertaining afterthought IMO. Don't get me wrong, I loved the movie, its just that's how it is.
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someone break that up. its a pain to try and read.
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MOGHARR wrote: |
I just saw this on Sunday and I want to talk about it so I don't forget anything, so for those of you that haven't seen it yet there are probably gonna be spoilers.
First off I didn't think it was as great as it was made out to be. I read about it so much (Wikipedia) and watched a lot of stuff on TV about it (G4 special) and it was hyped up to be suck a kick ass movie. I was expecting to come out the theater feeling the same way I did when I saw Lord of the Rings (like I was going to go home and eat cold beans and kill dogs or something). Don't get me wrong, it was a really good movie, but there was just too much coverage of it.
I sort of felt neutral after I saw it. I don't know, maybe I should give it another day or so to sink in. I think what mostly made me feel underwhelmed was that they put so much work into recreating sets straight out of the book, and they put an amazing amount of detail into everything (most of it wasn't even seen in the movie), but in the end you really didn't notice it. I also thought some of the CGI was terrible, particularly Bubastis. She looked absolutely horrible and unrealistic. The only other CGI part I didn't like was the beginning where the smiley button is being swallowed up by the pool of blood, but that isn't really a big deal. Everything big like Dr. Manhattan and the Owl ship looked good so no complaints there.
I thought the actors did a really good job for the most part. Jackie Earl Haley did a great job as Rorschach. When I first saw he was going to be playing the part I thought he didn't have the right look, but they really made him look great and he was great and it was all great. The guy who did Nite Owl II was also good and I thought he really got the character down. Silk Spectre was okay, she didn't blow me away or anything but I imagined her about the same in the book. All the parts with the Comedian were awesome. Dr. Manhattan was good too, he was pretty interesting in the book but he sort of annoyed me in the movie. His voice didn't seem right to me, I was expecting more of an echoy godlike voice. However, I thought the parts showing his past as Osterman were done superbly. I think they character they improved the most on was Adrian/Ozymadias. In the book he was my least favorite, but he was really improved upon in the movie. He was made into a more villainous character and I think the book/movie really needed someone like that. His costume was darker and the tone surrounding his character was sort of dark which really added to his whole persona.
Steering away from the characters for a moment I'd like to say that I think it would be very difficult to see this movie without having some sort of background with the book. You could probably get the basic story down, but there are so many things thrown in for the fans that a casual viewer just wouldn't notice. I've heard from a few people who hadn't read the book that they got what was going on so maybe I'm completely wrong there. I just think that you can appreciate the movie more if you've read the book, and that if I hadn't read the book, I wouldn't have liked the movie as much. It's not really important but the scene right before New York gets blown up that shows the kid reading Tales of the Black Freighter with the news vendor would have gone over most people's heads, but to me it was pretty cool to see them in there.
Sheesh, that's not even the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more I can say that I just can't think of, but I'm gonna have to stop. Sorry if there are any typos (which I'm sure there are).
TL;DR I like the movie, thought it was as good as it could be but it just didn't blow me away like I thought it would. The characters were faithful to their comic book counter parts and everything was awesome, but I just see the move as an addition to go along with the comic book. |
There ya go user, best I could do.
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MOGHARR wrote: |
I just saw this on Sunday and I want to talk about it so I don't forget anything, so for those of you that haven't seen it yet there are probably gonna be spoilers.
First off I didn't think it was as great as it was made out to be. I read about it so much (Wikipedia) and watched a lot of stuff on TV about it (G4 special) and it was hyped up to be suck a kick ass movie. I was expecting to come out the theater feeling the same way I did when I saw Lord of the Rings (like I was going to go home and eat cold beans and kill dogs or something). Don't get me wrong, it was a really good movie, but there was just too much coverage of it.
I sort of felt neutral after I saw it. I don't know, maybe I should give it another day or so to sink in. I think what mostly made me feel underwhelmed was that they put so much work into recreating sets straight out of the book, and they put an amazing amount of detail into everything (most of it wasn't even seen in the movie), but in the end you really didn't notice it. I also thought some of the CGI was terrible, particularly Bubastis. She looked absolutely horrible and unrealistic. The only other CGI part I didn't like was the beginning where the smiley button is being swallowed up by the pool of blood, but that isn't really a big deal. Everything big like Dr. Manhattan and the Owl ship looked good so no complaints there.
I thought the actors did a really good job for the most part. Jackie Earl Haley did a great job as Rorschach. When I first saw he was going to be playing the part I thought he didn't have the right look, but they really made him look great and he was great and it was all great. The guy who did Nite Owl II was also good and I thought he really got the character down. Silk Spectre was okay, she didn't blow me away or anything but I imagined her about the same in the book. All the parts with the Comedian were awesome. Dr. Manhattan was good too, he was pretty interesting in the book but he sort of annoyed me in the movie. His voice didn't seem right to me, I was expecting more of an echoy godlike voice. However, I thought the parts showing his past as Osterman were done superbly. I think they character they improved the most on was Adrian/Ozymadias. In the book he was my least favorite, but he was really improved upon in the movie. He was made into a more villainous character and I think the book/movie really needed someone like that. His costume was darker and the tone surrounding his character was sort of dark which really added to his whole persona.
Steering away from the characters for a moment I'd like to say that I think it would be very difficult to see this movie without having some sort of background with the book. You could probably get the basic story down, but there are so many things thrown in for the fans that a casual viewer just wouldn't notice. I've heard from a few people who hadn't read the book that they got what was going on so maybe I'm completely wrong there. I just think that you can appreciate the movie more if you've read the book, and that if I hadn't read the book, I wouldn't have liked the movie as much. It's not really important but the scene right before New York gets blown up that shows the kid reading Tales of the Black Freighter with the news vendor would have gone over most people's heads, but to me it was pretty cool to see them in there.
Sheesh, that's not even the tip of the iceberg. There's so much more I can say that I just can't think of, but I'm gonna have to stop. Sorry if there are any typos (which I'm sure there are).
TL;DR I like the movie, thought it was as good as it could be but it just didn't blow me away like I thought it would. The characters were faithful to their comic book counter parts and everything was awesome, but I just see the move as an addition to go along with the comic book. |
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sweet. thanks SH.
regarding mogharr, i agree w/most parts. i think Dr. M, the comedian + Rorschach were the best characters in the movie. nite owl and silk spectre were mediocre imo.
the only thing they could've improved w/Dr. M in terms of his voice, would be to make it more monotone. kind of like agent smith in the matrix. thats how i imagined his voice to be
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regarding mogharr, i agree w/most parts. i think Dr. M, the comedian + Rorschach were the best characters in the movie. nite owl and silk spectre were mediocre imo.
the only thing they could've improved w/Dr. M in terms of his voice, would be to make it more monotone. kind of like agent smith in the matrix. thats how i imagined his voice to be |
True, but he is already not human enough. By not making him monotone, it can remind the viewer that, wow, he is at his core human.
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A thought occurs, do you think anything would've been lost if they'd just cut out the scene between the Night Owls? I mean Hollis only has one scene and that's it.
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A thought occurs, do you think anything would've been lost if they'd just cut out the scene between the Night Owls? I mean Hollis only has one scene and that's it. |
Hmm not neccesarily, but his inclusion adds to the general depth, and further demonstrates the connection between the Minutemen and the Watchmen to the uninitiated folks.
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The other day as my wife and I were pulling up to Blockbuster to rent a movie I asked her if she had ever heard of Watchmen. She had no clue what I was talking about. I told her that it was this movie that people were making a big deal about but I had no idea what the fuck it was about.
So, as a couple who has zero interest in reading a graphic novel or comics, would the movie be enjoyable? We both enjoyed Spiderman 1 & 2 (fuck 3), X-Men and a few other comic based movies. I must admit that I had read all of those comics in my childhood, but my wife never did.
So should we take the time to go see this movie or just wait until it comes out on DVD?
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Yeah, the ending is definitely fudged a little and the reasons behind it stupid (once they realize Manhattan isn't coming back anytime soon, won't the world's nations just start fighting again?) but I understand why they changed it; putting in the whole genetically engineered alien squid plot would have taken another hour of time at least to explain sufficiently. |
They don't have to realize Manhattan isn't coming back. The Squid works because it's an extraterrestrial threat, so it's an unknown quantity. We don't know where it's from, when more will be here, and what they're capable of. Even though he's rather God-like, Dr. Manhattan is still a known quantity. Not only that, he's man made. The odds of it working may be astronomical, but each world superpower would keep trying to replicate the experiment that created Dr. Manhattan, which can only end poorly.
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(once they realize Manhattan isn't coming back anytime soon, won't the world's nations just start fighting again?) |
Well yes but even after the nations combined to stop the vagina squid they would eventually start to fight again and likewise eventually after being on constant watch (get it) for Manhattan they will fight each other again. In both situations any peace achieved would be short lived. |
The squid was already dead though. It died in our atmosphere, and I think that makes it even scarier. It has the technology to travel unknown distances and teleport onto Earth, so it's only a matter of time before it can come back with some sort of "space suit" or something. Also, look at the damage it did just by dying! That would definitely have a much more lasting effect on the world. Think about it:
America is STILL talking about 9/11 and it's been 7½ years. That was a comparatively small attack by a very known quantity. It will be years before we stop talking about that, so a more massive, extraterrestrial threat would unite the world for generations. It would start out of necessity as the generations who were alive during the attack knew the danger of not working together to defend ourselves, and future generations would have grown up in a united world, and would hopefully continue that because 1. it's all they know and 2. it would probably seem preferably to all the wars and stuff they read about in school.
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A thought occurs, do you think anything would've been lost if they'd just cut out the scene between the Night Owls? I mean Hollis only has one scene and that's it. |
So Rorschach is framed as he breaks into some random old dude's house who is dead for reasons that we don't know?
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Are you an idiot Jeebus? That was Mollock's house he broke into and found him dead in. Hollis has one scene exactly.
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