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Posted: Feb 12 2009 05:12 pm

The more I watch this show, the more I actually like Ben. Uber-chessmaster smug snake Ben.

Partly because he gets a bit deflated in this season. He seems to be struggling to get everyone together, and the stess of being universally loathed to the point of casual threats is getting to him. So the guy goes from the author's invincible favorite to guy who's really canny but not quite Loki.

Posted: Feb 12 2009 05:36 pm

RobotGumshoe wrote:

The more I watch this show, the more I actually like Ben. Uber-chessmaster smug snake Ben.

Partly because he gets a bit deflated in this season. He seems to be struggling to get everyone together, and the stess of being universally loathed to the point of casual threats is getting to him. So the guy goes from the author's invincible favorite to guy who's really canny but not quite Loki.

I still don't know what's going on. They keep saying the O6 have to go back, when Ben said it was the best he could do to get Jack, Sun and Locke's body (and Desmond?), Ms. Hawking said it would have to do. This almost makes me believe that they don't really have to have everyone, or at least not all at once.

Even though at first it looked like Ben was trying to help save the Left Behinders by getting the O6 back to the island, I'm pretty sure he still has his own agenda. It may just be a trick to get everyone back and may not have a thing to do with saving anyone.

Also, was it just me or did anyone else thing Ben kind of looked surprised when Desmond said he was there to see Faraday's mom? Did Ben not know that she was Faraday's mom or was he surprised that Desmond knew that she was?

Posted: Feb 12 2009 09:57 pm

Man, that part with Locke and Christian was just eerie. I felt bad for him when he fell. It was the same feeling I got when Mr. Glass fell down the stairs in Unbreakable.

Posted: Feb 13 2009 12:55 am

MOGHARR wrote:

Man, that part with Locke and Christian was just eerie. I felt bad for him when he fell. It was the same feeling I got when Mr. Glass fell down the stairs in Unbreakable.

During this scene, I couldn't help but get the feeling that Christian was a hallucination; I mean, Hurley had a hallucination involving that one chick who died, so it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for Locke to have one, and also, why else wouldn't Christian help Locke up when he asked?

But I'm kind of conflicted. Rewind back to the VERY first episode; remember when Jack saw Christian walking into the forest? So is Christian actually on the island, or is he something...else? Like a machination of the island or something?

Posted: Feb 13 2009 11:46 pm

Christian's been seen on the island a few times. I think the reason we keep seeing dead people is because the island is going through time now.

Back to the scene with Locke and Christian: When Christian came up with the lamp he kind of seemed like he was Charon, like he was leading Locke to some new place. And the reason he refused to help Locke walk or move the wheel is because Locke has to do everything by himself.

Posted: Feb 16 2009 02:39 pm

I wanna know what happened to Jacob. You've got Christian hanging out in the cabin (allegedly built by Horace). Ben, who used to be the go-between suddenly (allegedly) doesn't know where the cabin is located. Last time we "saw" Jacob, he asked Locke for help. Who the hell is working with who? Is Christian really speaking on Jacob's behalf? Does Ben know who Christian is? Is Jacob on vacation? More importatnly, if you already live on an island, where do you even go for vacation?

Posted: Feb 18 2009 11:04 pm

2 words. HOLY SHIT!!

Locke-centric episodes are always the best. This one looks like it's gonna be good.

Posted: Feb 22 2009 10:29 pm

This stupid digital pixelated crap that ABC has completely mutilated the scene where Jack goes to pick up Locke's body; I have no idea what happened. Did I miss anything important?

Posted: Feb 22 2009 10:39 pm

He just knocked on the door and the lady came out and he said "I'm Jack", and she said "I know who you are Dr. Shephard". Then she tells him Ben said to take the van or some crap. That is basically it as far as I can remember.

EDIT: Wait, no. He pulled out Locke's suicide letter and without reading it, he put it on Locke in his coffin. He said something like "you already told me everything" or something of the sort.

Posted: Feb 23 2009 07:14 am

Actually, it went in more detail like this:

1: Jack asks if the woman is Jill, she confirms and says the line scamrock mentioned.

2: She asks what is Jack doing with his bag, but then apologises for the question and leaves Jack alone with coffin.

3: Jack opens the coffin.

4: Jack changes Locke's shoes to his father's because Faraday's mom asked for that. Then he delivers the line: "Wherever you are, John, you must be laughing your ass off now because THIS is even crazier than you."

5: Jack leaves the suicide note and says the line scamrock mentioned

6: Jack closes the coffin

Posted: Feb 23 2009 02:22 pm

Oz wrote:

Actually, it went in more detail like this:

1: Jack asks if the woman is Jill, she confirms and says the line scamrock mentioned.

2: She asks what is Jack doing with his bag, but then apologises for the question and leaves Jack alone with coffin.

3: Jack opens the coffin.

4: Jack changes Locke's shoes to his father's because Faraday's mom asked for that. Then he delivers the line: "Wherever you are, John, you must be laughing your ass off now because THIS is even crazier than you."

5: Jack leaves the suicide note and says the line scamrock mentioned

6: Jack closes the coffin

That's what I said. Razz

Joined: Aug 24 2005 Location: Mount Holly, NJ Posts: 1062

"Wherever you are, John, you must be laughing your ass off now because THIS is even crazier than you."

Said the guy who saw a polar bear in the damn jungle and watched it disappear. I swear, every time they talk about how "crazy" something is, I wonder about their sense of perspective. If I was one of the people on the island, I'd believe every goddam thing I saw for the rest of my life.

"Praying mantis playing a ukelele? Fuck yeah. I already coinhabited an island with a conscious cloud of belligerent smoke."

Posted: Feb 24 2009 12:26 am

Kubo wrote:

If I was one of the people on the island, I'd believe every goddam thing I saw for the rest of my life.

I'm always thinking the exact same thing. Something else that drives me absolutely crazy is that there are all of these mysteries. If you are walking though the jungle for hours with someone like Ben or Faraday or someone else who obviously knows something you don't, wouldn't you be asking tons of questions? For example, as much time as Locke has been around people like Ben and Richard, he should know everything by now. It's like these guys walk for hours through the jungle and never ask questions. The reason Ben is always one or more steps ahead is because it's like everyone else is trying to get by with knowing as little as possible.

Also, after moving the island, and nobody really knew where to go or what to do, why didn't Lock try to return to Jacob's cabin to find out what to do next?

Posted: Feb 24 2009 05:04 am

scamrock wrote:

That's what I said. Razz

You forgot the shoes. That was the very reason for the scene.

Posted: Feb 24 2009 05:48 pm

Oz wrote:

scamrock wrote:

That's what I said. Razz

You forgot the shoes. That was the very reason for the scene.

I was joking. I forgot half the scene.

Posted: Mar 06 2009 01:01 pm

If that ho-bag Kate somehow manages to break up Juliet and Sawyer, I will be most displeased.

Posted: Mar 07 2009 01:09 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

If that ho-bag Kate somehow manages to break up Juliet and Sawyer, I will be most displeased.

Thats exactly what me and my friend said. She's so damn fickle, "wah wah I want Jack but I want Sawyer and I just can't choose so I'm going to yank on both their feelings until their ruined messes". Well, its high time the sawyer train leaves the station and you get stuck with the doctor you hussy.

Characters in fiction have a obnoxiously hard time wrapping their heads around what are really simple concepts. Stop acting baffled by time travel, its really simple.

Posted: Mar 07 2009 01:16 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

If that ho-bag Kate somehow manages to break up Juliet and Sawyer, I will be most displeased.

If it makes you feel any better, the actor who plays Kate has yet to renew her contract for next season, and the show's writers confirmed that a main character is going to die by the end of this season.

Posted: Mar 26 2009 02:04 am

HOLY SHIT!!! Shocked

Posted: Mar 26 2009 11:38 pm

SPOILER ALERT

...so does dead 70s Ben = dead present time Ben?

But then again, it's probably "fate", as everyone was brought back to the island for a purpose. Jin probably wakes up and find that kid Ben isn't dead. Of course, due to my utter lack of the ability to see into the future, I could be wrong...

Posted: Mar 27 2009 05:11 am

Ben isn't dead. Faraday explained multiple times that you can't change the past. That means nobody that we know exists in the future, like Ben or Ethan, is going to die. It would be a really shitty move by the writers to violate like that the very rules of time travel that they established so explicitly on the show.

Posted: Mar 27 2009 05:34 am

Farday could be wrong. Or the "rules" might not apply to Sayid for some reason, just like they don't apply to Desmond.

Or he could be lying, because he believed that trying to change the future is unethical. Don't forget, there was that one random scene of Faraday trying to blow up the Orchid. Why would he even try that if he believed that it was impossible to alter the future?

Also, we've seen Sawyer and Juliet kill Hostiles in two different time periods. If they can't "alter" the past, why can they interact with it at all? Furthermore, if we believe in the idea of a singular reality, then there was a point in time when the Losties' time travel DID alter history. In a singular reality, a time loop cannot be created until the first time the reality reaches the point in time where the people who traveled back in time to create the time loop first have the opportunity to travel back in time and create the time loop. Thus, their actions DO change reality.

Posted: Mar 27 2009 06:38 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

Farday could be wrong. Or the "rules" might not apply to Sayid for some reason, just like they don't apply to Desmond.

It's not Sayid that the rules wouldn't apply to then, it would be Ben. Faraday could change Desmond's past because Desmond was already jumping between different times, so something similar would have to have happened to Ben.

Syd Lexia wrote:

Or he could be lying, because he believed that trying to change the future is unethical. Don't forget, there was that one random scene of Faraday trying to blow up the Orchid. Why would he even try that if he believed that it was impossible to alter the future?

He's also going to tell Charlotte never to come back to the island, which we know is a futile attempt. He really doesn't seem to follow his own logic on the subject. I don't think he's lying though because Eloise Hawking told Desmond the same thing when he first traveled through time.

Syd Lexia wrote:

In a singular reality, a time loop cannot be created until the first time the reality reaches the point in time where the people who traveled back in time to create the time loop first have the opportunity to travel back in time and create the time loop. Thus, their actions DO change reality.

That's the kind of logical inconsistency you always get with time travel in a singular reality. Either there never was a first time they traveled back, which means everything already has happened, cannot be changed, and happens over and over again, which is illogical because then we'd have an effect without a cause. Or there was a first time, during which they could change reality, which opens it up to all the usual logical dilemmas like killing your own parents.

Having multiple realities that branch off from each other seems to avoid these kinds of problems. Coincidentally that's the time travel theory that Orci and Kurtzmann use in Abram's upcoming Star Trek movie.

Posted: Mar 27 2009 08:04 pm

Does anyone else hate it that they use CG now? It looks so bad.

Posted: Mar 29 2009 08:07 am

The show has always used CG, right from the start. In his TED talk Abram's talks about how computers and technology have enabled him to do things that wouldn't have been possible a decade ago and then shows some footage from the Lost pilot as an example.

Personally I always thought that the CG on Lost was pretty damn good for a TV show.