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...leads to suffering"

Pretty much the only decent thing to come out of those movies. Am I wrong?

Posted: Mar 01 2009 09:43 pm

And the Star Wars Robot Chicken episodes.

Posted: Mar 01 2009 11:13 pm

I liked Episode 3 for the most part. Episode 2 was all right and I didn't really care for Episode 1.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 12:27 am

Well, the end of episode 3 gave some amazing parody fodder.

That, and Yoda kicking ass. That was awesome.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 12:39 am

I liked them quite a bit. They are nowhere near the original trilogy, but I still like them.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 01:55 am

I love all of Star Wars, fuck you guys who don't, that's all I have to post here

Posted: Mar 02 2009 02:15 am

2 and 3 were both solid movies, except for Hayden Christensen's rather wooden acting. Natalie Portman was equally awful at times in Episode 2, but not as thoroughly or consistently as Hayden. Mace Windu's death in Episode 3 was a little cheesy too, but IIRC Samuel Jackson threatened to walk off the set if they didn't change the script and give him a "badass" death scene.

I thought Episode 1 was a confusing mess the first time I saw it, and didn't really ever watch it again after that, but after spending some time on Wookieepedia, the plot makes a lot more sense and it has a lot of compelling intricacies.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 02:24 am

According to my local TV schedule, each installment of the prequel trilogy is a three-star film, as opposed to the original trilogy's four stars each.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 02:25 am

Episode 2 is the biggest piece of shit of the whole saga, one of the worst movies ever at the same time. Episode 1 nearly gets the same title. The original trilogy is great though.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 06:33 am

One of the best things about the prequels is the way they improved on the light saber duels of the original trilogy. The Darth Maul fight at the end of Phantom Menace set a new standard for what you expect in terms of fight choreography in a Star Wars movie. Rewatching the original trilogy you can't help but notice how dull and clumsy the fighting itself is. It would be utterly boring if it wasn't for the characters that are engaged in the fights.

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Tyop wrote:

One of the best things about the prequels is the way they improved on the light saber duels of the original trilogy. The Darth Maul fight at the end of Phantom Menace set a new standard for what you expect in terms of fight choreography in a Star Wars movie. Rewatching the original trilogy you can't help but notice how dull and clumsy the fighting itself is. It would be utterly boring if it wasn't for the characters that are engaged in the fights.

I think they did a decent job in the original movies of showing the characters as they were with the weapons.

Obi-Wan Kenobi - Old yet wise
Darth Vader - Powerful yet slow
Luke - Eager yet untrained

I never look back at the old films and think "oh they really blew it with those scenes".

On the other hand, I enjoyed the newer films for what they were worth. I thought they had decent plots and the characters were fun to watch.

I still have a few gripes though:
1. Casting Hayden Christensen was a poor decision. He was not capable of the roll and they could have done better.
2. Jar Jar
3. The word that will not be named that was used to describe what makes a person force sensitive.
4. Pod Racing

Posted: Mar 02 2009 02:25 pm

You know, the biological explanation for force sensitivity, and Episode 1, are pretty much the only things that REALLY bothered me about the prequel trilogy. A few points:

-I understand the need to show Anakin as a young child (Episode 1), but I felt they handled it really clumsily. I'm BEYOND glad they didn't really mention midichlorians beyond this ep (as I felt a biological explanation was clumsy... let's parallel for a minute: do christians really CARE which chromosomes lead to Jesus's super powers, or that he could use them, period? In the same vein, I thought it'd be much simpler, and lead much more to the mystique of the Force, if you left it as simply a power some people could exploit and some people could not. Tapping into something is better than having, say, an extra penis that serves as a link to the Force.

-Young Anakin fucking irritated me. He seems to have come off less as a prodigy of the Force and more an accidental happenstance. They happened to find him... OK, but if he was so in tune with the Force, would not one of the Jedi felt his presence? For fuck's sake, Vader could feel Luke's sensitivity from across a spacial void from starship to starship at the end of the first one. Also, was it really necessary that he ACCIDENTALLY blew up the droid command ship? Every time he said "Oops", it make my asshole clench in fury. Anakin is supposed to be a prodigy with the force, some sort of Jedi Jesus, and he only helps out accidentally? It would've been much more interesting if he just sort of "knew" what to do.

-Jar Jar fuckin' Binks. If you're gonna have an alien sidekick, give him some fucking confidence. Chewbacca would've been pissed on if he'd been a clumsy, inept sidekick. Jar Jar falls into the Anakin accidental victory trap (not very inspiring if this is the best faction you can get against a force that threatens to take over the fucking galaxy) but with the stigma of also being a fucking cowardly annoyance. If General Grant had fought General Lee by running the fuck away and disabling the Confederacy by, say, dropping a musket and Lee kills himself by stepping on it, would the Civil War have been less of an epic battle and more of a joke? It's almost like Episode 1 WANTED us to mock it. I'd rather see the leaders of an army win because they got lucky due to spunk or an unseen advantage, not because Jar Jar fuckin' Binks trips over Boss Nass's balls and due to the Butterfly Effect, wins the fucking Civil War.

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How could they have made Jar Jar better?

Allow a wookie to rip his arms off.

Posted: Mar 03 2009 09:07 pm

I like all of the Star Wars movies, but in my opinion comparing the new trilogy to the old one is unfair as they're about two different things within the same universe. As for what I disliked about the movies, here is everything.

-Jar Jar, this one's a no-brainer
-Hayden Christensen
-Kid Anakin
-The whole making the "Greedo shoot first, so Han doesn't look bad" edit
-Having Christensen replace Anakin's original actor in the ending of Return of the Jedi, it doesn't make sense to me for him to look so young, when he clearly looked older after his mask was taken off.

That's about it really.

Quote:

How could they have made Jar Jar better?

Allow a wookie to rip his arms off.

They should've had a wookie rip off his leg and beat him to death with it.

Posted: Mar 04 2009 10:39 pm

eh, everyone already said what we had to say about the original trilogy vs the new trilogy. i do have to agree that making the force a parasite vs something spiritual did ruin a huge mystical part of the mythology, but whatev. whats done is done.

they needed more darth maul fights

Posted: Mar 05 2009 12:41 am

For me, Ep. III was epic fail. I did not enjoy it, it seemed rushed and genuinley uninteresting. I think a good portion of this is due to Hayden Christensen being just awful when a HUGE part of III was seing the deveolpment of Anakin into Darth Vader, he was a MASSIVE dissapointment imo.

Posted: Mar 05 2009 02:35 am

anorexorcist wrote:

For me, Ep. III was epic fail. I did not enjoy it, it seemed rushed and genuinley uninteresting. I think a good portion of this is due to Hayden Christensen being just awful when a HUGE part of III was seing the deveolpment of Anakin into Darth Vader, he was a MASSIVE dissapointment imo.

You know, I always considered III the worst, and I could never single out one thing that made it so. I think you just did that. I usually bend over backwards to give actors the benefit of the doubt, but in this case...yeah. He was totally miscast. That fucked up the whole series, but III was absolutely the hardest hit. Shame too, because the story itself is fucking amazing. To see it done competently would have been awesome.

On a similar note, who else was pissed off that they replaced Old Darth Vader with Hayden in the special edition Return of the Jedi? I really disliked the spirit of the whole special edition thing in general, but that one really irritated me.

Posted: Mar 05 2009 04:06 am

SoldierHawk wrote:

On a similar note, who else was pissed off that they replaced Old Darth Vader with Hayden in the special edition Return of the Jedi? I really disliked the spirit of the whole special edition thing in general, but that one really irritated me.

I was pissed. I didn't really like the idea of going back and changing anything from the original whether it was on the DVDs or when the special addition came out when they first fucked with it. Part of the appeal for me is the crude special effects. I don't want a better explosion when they blow up the Death Star and I sure as hell could have done without them fucking up the scene with Han and Greedo. But yeah, replacing old Anakin with young Anakin is up at the top of my list of things they shouldn't have done.

Posted: Mar 05 2009 03:21 pm

Well, the prequels were good, but not as good as the original trilogy in my opinion.

To be fair, Episode III was kinda funny at some points, especially when Darth Vader said, "NnnnOOOOooooOOOOoooo. . . ."

Posted: Mar 05 2009 07:40 pm

I also hated how they changed Boba Fett's voice in The Empire Strikes Back DVD. Boba Fett uses a voice modulator in his helmet so they could have just kept the voice the same. Boba Fett sounds less badass when he sounds like Jango and every clone trooper. I understand why they did it but it was not necessary.

Posted: Mar 05 2009 08:47 pm

IceWarm wrote:

I also hated how they changed Boba Fett's voice in The Empire Strikes Back DVD. Boba Fett uses a voice modulator in his helmet so they could have just kept the voice the same. Boba Fett sounds less badass when he sounds like Jango and every clone trooper. I understand why they did it but it was not necessary.

You know, the voice of Boba is so ingrained into my psyche that I forgot they did that. Sad

. God they fucked those movies up.

Posted: Mar 05 2009 08:57 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

Tyop wrote:

One of the best things about the prequels is the way they improved on the light saber duels of the original trilogy. The Darth Maul fight at the end of Phantom Menace set a new standard for what you expect in terms of fight choreography in a Star Wars movie. Rewatching the original trilogy you can't help but notice how dull and clumsy the fighting itself is. It would be utterly boring if it wasn't for the characters that are engaged in the fights.

I think they did a decent job in the original movies of showing the characters as they were with the weapons.

Obi-Wan Kenobi - Old yet wise
Darth Vader - Powerful yet slow
Luke - Eager yet untrained

I never look back at the old films and think "oh they really blew it with those scenes".

They changed thier whole philosophy between the 2 trilogies, when it comes to lightsaber dueling.

In the original trilogy, Lucas told the actors to always use two hands to hold the lightsabers and act like they are very heavy. More like Long Swords or Great Swords.

In the prequel trilogy, that idea went out the windows and suddenly the lightsabers are now more akin to rapiers or katanas.

Posted: Mar 05 2009 11:18 pm

Probably just did that to spice up the action scenes.

Posted: Mar 06 2009 06:14 am

No doubt. But it does make more sense as well. Why would a weapon that is mostly made up of light be particularly heavy?

Posted: Mar 06 2009 01:00 pm

The base is probably very heavy.