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Posted: Jan 27 2009 03:42 pm

I wonder what they're going to do with Baltar. He hasn't really done much in the last two episodes.

Posted: Jan 27 2009 04:33 pm

Werent' you paying attention? Baltar declared a jyhad on God himself!

Posted: Jan 27 2009 04:35 pm

I'm a little iffy on some of the time gaps between episodes, but I'm thinking Baltar - not Tigh - will turn out to be the father of Caprica Six's baby.

Posted: Jan 27 2009 05:04 pm

That would explain how Six can be pregnant when the previous attempts to conceive a Cylon child failed. I'm just not sure the writers would put two false fatherhoods into the last ten episodes. But if that gets me a Baltar that actually does something instead of giving speeches, I'm fine with it.

Posted: Jan 31 2009 09:51 pm

Holy fucking shit. Best episode ever.

Posted: Feb 02 2009 09:22 am

I wish I hadn't watched the scenes from the next episode, especially cause BSG tends to be really honest with them Sad

Posted: Feb 02 2009 10:33 am

I missed them.

Posted: Feb 02 2009 10:51 am

How could you miss it? They said scenes from next episode after the break, and then immediately played them!

Posted: Feb 02 2009 10:57 am

I fell asleep due to the fact I had been up since 5:00 AM, and ended up watching the second half online.

Posted: Feb 14 2009 03:58 pm

The guy who plays the PC in the Mac commercials was in last night's episode. That was both completely awesome and a little silly.

Posted: Feb 14 2009 07:45 pm

Yeah, John Hodgman. I burst out laughing when I realized that was him. I thought he made for a nice comic relief in an episode that was otherwise hard to follow sometimes. I'm still not sure if I really understood everything that they threw at us there.

Posted: Feb 14 2009 07:47 pm

I wonder if they filmed any fake "I'm a Cyclon... and I'm a PC" commercials while he was there.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 02:06 am

*SPOILERS*

So there's three episodes left, and that doesn't seem like anywhere near enough. The final season has been good thus far, but it doesn't seem like the show has been going anywhere in particular, and it doesn't feel like it can conclude in three episodes. Currently unreolved issues:

1. Baltar, once a major player on the show, has done almost nothing in recent episodes. But he has guns.
2. Kara is apparently a hybrid, the daughter of Number Seven.
3. Boomer has Hera... and the location of the fleet.
4. Galactica is falling apart.
5. The Cyclon/Human BFFs haven't found a new home planet.
6. Sam is still in a coma.
7. Probably a whole bunch of other stuff.

We have all sorts of unresolved drama, and we obviously have at least one final showdown coming between the Alliance and the Evil Cylons. In three episodes. I don't know if they can pull it off. I doubt they can. I feel like they're going to intentionally leave it open for an as-of-yet unannounced sequel series.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 06:24 am

I doubt they have plans to do another series besides Caprica. It seems really unlikely that they would be making a prequel and a sequel series at the same time. Even a franchise as long-lived and successful as Stargate is only now getting its third installment.

Considering the number of unresolved issues, it's entirely possible however that they leave a couple of questions open, which are answered in the Caprica series. For example, I think you assume correctly that Starbuck is Daniel's daughter. Ronald D. Moore hinted that Number Seven would have some importance in Caprica. So there might be no real resolution to Kara's story, just enough to get people to watch the new show.

Posted: Mar 02 2009 06:39 am

I bet the end of the show includes the last moments of the ship. And there is a lot of space for all of this to be solved because writers can pull off miracles, they have just been gathering more and more stuff for the finale in the past few episodes and I think the next episode will be the transition from this to the ending.

Posted: Mar 14 2009 05:56 pm

Last night's episode was kinda meh. It certainly didn't feel like the second to last episode of the series. The flashbacks seemed like aimless filler.

Posted: Mar 23 2009 08:05 am

I'm surprised no one bumped this after the finale! What did everyone think?

I really liked it, but I also wanted more out of it. I think a lot of stuff went unexplained, or involved impossible leaps of faith (No one kept any sort of written history?) but the general manner in which it ended was fine.

Posted: Mar 23 2009 09:36 am

After a few days of pondering I have finally come to the conclusion that Ron Moore built the entire series finale around a bad pun on 'Deus Ex Machina'.

There were parts that I liked. The attack on the colony with plenty of Cylon-on-Cylon fights had some of the best action in the series. The way they explained the Opera House visions was fantastic. Having everything culminate in a stand-off in the CIC with pretty much everybody in the room was great.

But the way they resolved most of the major plot points by declaring them acts of a God who doesn't like being called God, is, in terms of story-telling, not much better than declaring it all a dream. It looks very much like they couldn't come up with a plausible solution for all the questions they had posed, so they relied on angels and divine intervention to tie up the loose ends. It's a narrative cop-out and I would have preferred even no answer at all to what seems was ultimately the result of making things up as you go and not having a pre-planned series ending.

Joined: Jun 10 2008 Posts: 172

I was very surprised how many people were unhappy with this episode on-line. I thought it was a very graceful subtle ending to a graceful subtle show. It was definatly gutsy in that they chose character peices in the last few episodes rather than narrative. They didn't exactly spell everything out as far as answers were concerned but I felt that they gave us enough that we could infer everything else. Perhaps we rely a bit too much on being fed info rather than being able to come up with our own conjectures. i guess thats why I liked the ending of Sopranos too, it allows the viewer to sort of come up with their own answers. It's not what you want its what you need in a manner of speaking. Your answers to some part of this could be different from mine but thats what makes things that are a little open ended so interesting.
That all being said I thought the first half was absolutly kick ass. They probably spent a pretty penny doing all that CGI and it was definatly amazing. I felt like the ship could have exploded right then and there which heightened the whole thing for me. The writers did a great job doing two different things in this episode. For me, the second half felt a lot like Return of the King did for me. Thats probably not how a lot of people felt but I had a unqiue (along with many other people on this forum) experience sort of stumbling across the first season DVD on this show and then completly falling in love. So I greatly appreciated the long goodbyes along with Adama and Madam Airlock sailing off "into the west" if you will. I thought it was beautiful. There wasn't much they could have done that could have pissed me off, since I am an admitted fanboy, but I thought it was all around as good a final episode as you could expect from a show that will probably be considered one of the best shows of the decade as well as probably the greatest science fiction program of all time. I was always pissed when Scifi/NBC created huge year+ long breaks between episodes and they certainly did their best to kill the series but great art has a certain tenacity that can transcend petty greed.

Posted: Mar 23 2009 10:07 am

I liked it a lot. A lot of people seemed to be hoping for a more cynical ending where humanity and the cyclons destroyed each other, and I'm glad they didn't go with that. Tory and Cavil finally got what they deserved and humanity finally found a new home. The flashforward at the end was a little cheesy, but it was also completely awesome. I do take issue with Hera being referred to as their mitochondrial Eve though. While it's true that centuries of interbreeding would eventually lead to uniform mixing of human and cyclon DNA, it is unlikely that percentage would be the 50/50 percentage that Hera had. I'm also pretty sure that Baltar said the humanoids already on the planet weren't an identical match to humans, which complicates it further.

That being said, I don't really know what the series "Caprica" hopes to accomplish. It is apparently set 51 years before the fall of the 12 Colonies and is supposed to show how humans created the cyclons. Except that timeline doesn't make any sense.

Posted: Mar 23 2009 10:15 am

I don't mind them not explaining every little thing, and I don't even mind a little divine intervention.

So the imaginary Baltar and Six are angels? I have no issue with that. Starbuck did indeed die and is now an angel? I like that a lot less because it feels like a cop out, but I'll let it slide.

But what about Seven? It's supposed to be Starbuck's dad, but what purpose did it serve? Also, what about the fact that she then would have been a cyclon/human hybrid as well? What is the point in introducing the fact that there was another cylon into the series with only 4 episodes left, only to do NOTHING with it? Yeah you could say it was to explain how she knew the song, but if she's just going to be explained off as an angel then you don't need to explain that, especially not with something like that.

I think that's what bothered me most about this entire thing, although I also find it hard to believe that all the humans would give up ALL technology. Most notably, writing. I really refuse to believe that there wouldn't be any written record of what happened.

I also would've really liked to see what the cylons were up to when they went 150,000 years into the future, since they don't die.

Posted: Mar 23 2009 10:22 am

I don't think Baltar and Six themselves were angels, they were simply made in the image of angels. But it doesn't make sense that only Baltar and Six could see Angelic Baltar and Angelic Six, whereas Angelic Starbuck was a complete physical manifestation.

Joined: Jun 10 2008 Posts: 172

Are you sure they don't age? I was under the impression that they would die of old age, thats why Caprica had that whole spiel one epsiode about the end of resurrection giving their lives purpose and direction. I thought the whole Starbucks dad thing was great, it was a character study. All the last few episodes were character studies after the mutiny, just different in my opinion I guess.

Posted: Mar 23 2009 10:37 am

Dr. Jeebus wrote:

But what about Seven? It's supposed to be Starbuck's dad, but what purpose did it serve? Also, what about the fact that she then would have been a cyclon/human hybrid as well? What is the point in introducing the fact that there was another cylon into the series with only 4 episodes left, only to do NOTHING with it? Yeah you could say it was to explain how she knew the song, but if she's just going to be explained off as an angel then you don't need to explain that, especially not with something like that.

Ron Moore said in an interview that Daniel was simply introduced to explain the numbering mistake of not having a Number Seven. He has absolutely nothing to do with Starbuck. Even Ron Moore was surprised by the fan speculation about Seven being Kara's father.

Posted: Mar 23 2009 10:43 am

APLETHORAOFPINATAS wrote:

Are you sure they don't age? I was under the impression that they would die of old age, thats why Caprica had that whole spiel one epsiode about the end of resurrection giving their lives purpose and direction. I thought the whole Starbucks dad thing was great, it was a character study. All the last few episodes were character studies after the mutiny, just different in my opinion I guess.

I think he's talking about the Centurions.