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Ghandi
Title: Alexz Aficionado
Joined: May 21 2008
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If my emulators have reminded me of one thing, it's that I'm not as good as I used to be.
Playing Mega Man 3, Ninja Gaiden, and other classic games reminds me I'm not as good as I once was. I could take out Top Man first try back in the day. Run through Magnet Man first try without a second thought!
I could, at least, get to Machine Gun Willy in Double Dragon without a flinch back in the day. But now the problem is obvious. Alcohol  Now I'm of age and can't play like used to,
The SNES Chalenge is great fun, but reminds me of simpler times, without being carded and playing crazy games for the weekend over high school instead of doing homework.
Despite all this I somehow can still tear a hole into players who started gaming after me. Maybe there is something to that "classically trained" NES T-shirt after all....
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DarknessDeku
Title: Deku Scrub
Joined: Dec 08 2007
Location: The Forest
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All it takes is a bit of practice. I can beat Mega Man 3 in one sitting.
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SoldierHawk
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Title: Warrior-Poet
Joined: Jan 15 2009
Location: San Diego, CA
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I find myself in the same situation. I realized it had been years since I had played Ninja Gaiden (a game at which I used to rule quite fully for at least the first three or four levels), so I downloaded it and found myself constantly screwing up the simplest moves. Not dying necessarily, but not pulling of the smooth, effortless level runthroughs I used to do. A lot of it is probably just being out of practice. A game like NG is all about reflexes and split second timing that your body forgets if you don't remind it.
There is something to 'classical training' though. Just like in all those kung fu movies, someone might be faster or stronger than you, but experience and patience will win out every time. Remember, we're the generation that slogged our way through the Marsh Cave and Elfland on the *original* FF cart, bugs and all, and we're the generation that spent hours and hours, followed by more hours, bombing walls and burning bushes in LoZ because we didn't *have* walkthroughs to tell us where the secrets are. Hell, we even had games that we had to *read the manuals* to play, because there was no such thing as a tutorial level! It sounds corny, but those kind of experiences do develop a patience, and an inherent understanding of underlying game mechanics, that a lot of gamers today just don't have. My two cents.
Back to the topic at hand though--what kind of controller do you use to play your emulator with? I think mine's called a Dual Logic, something like that; anyway it looks exactly like a PS2 controller. I have to say, it IS difficult to play those games with another kind of joystick, after conditioning your hands to just two face buttons (or four face buttons with a different layout, in the case of the SNES.) That doesn't matter so much with slower games like Final Fantasy or whatever, but when it comes to NG, or Mega Man, where a split second can be life or death...I imagine it makes a difference.
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Ghandi
Title: Alexz Aficionado
Joined: May 21 2008
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I'm playing both NES and SNES games on an SNES controller(my 1st player one) through an adapter. Great for SNES games, not so good for NES games here feeling the rectangle in my hand is most confortable
"Classically trained" is something a new gamer should not scoff at, we'll drill until we can beat you with our eyes closed and after downing a 750 of rum  This new generation, seriously, has it easy.
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Fred
Joined: Jan 18 2009
Location: NYork
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I used to be able to go through Wizards and Warriors with my eyes closed... Now I can't even get past the first level...
I actually blame emulators and developing a reliance on just save stating and hoping I get lucky rather than needing any kind of skill... Curse you temptation!
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Lady_Satine
Title: Head of Lexian R&D
Joined: Oct 15 2005
Location: Metro area, Georgia
Posts: 7287
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| SoldierHawk wrote: |
| I find myself in the same situation. I realized it had been years since I had played Ninja Gaiden (a game at which I used to rule quite fully for at least the first three or four levels), so I downloaded it and found myself constantly screwing up the simplest moves. Not dying necessarily, but not pulling of the smooth, effortless level runthroughs I used to do. A lot of it is probably just being out of practice. A game like NG is all about reflexes and split second timing that your body forgets if you don't remind it. |
I find it amusing that Ninja Gaiden now gives you trouble when your name and icon are both hawks. Damn birds!
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SoldierHawk
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Title: Warrior-Poet
Joined: Jan 15 2009
Location: San Diego, CA
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I find it amusing that Ninja Gaiden now gives you trouble when your name and icon are both hawks. Damn birds! |
Ha! That is ironic I guess. Hawks (real ones, not the asshole kind that knock you off cliffs) are my favorite animal, and Hawk has been my nickname for many, many years.
The bats in NG actually give me more trouble than the birds, though. They always fucking yo-yo right into me whenever I try to jump them. Bastards.
I do second what Fred mentioned, though. Although I try to avoid using them, save states in platformers has probably eroded my skill more than I care to admit. There's something to be said for being forced to replay a part of the game you know, to perfect skills, before you move on to the next bit. It sure makes you better at what you do.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
Location: Hiding
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I find myself better at old games I used to play.
I find it harder to get interested in ones I haven't, however.
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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
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I'm better at SMB1 than I used to be, mainly because I'm more confident than I was. I used to always fuck up repeatedly in 8-1 at that one jump where there's one little space in the middle of the pit that you have to hit. I always so afraid I'd miss that I usually did miss. I suppose this goes for any game with lots of jumping.
As for other old games, I'm definitely worse than I was. They don't make games as hard as they used to any more, so I haven't had to live up to that level of challenge in quite awhile.
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TopShelf
Title: Not the Pantry
Joined: Jan 06 2009
Location: But the Topshelf
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Hey UsaSatui, is your avatar that crazy old rabbit from water ship down? Now there is a disturbing movie to watch when your a kid. Cute bunny's on the cover, only to find out that they just tear each other apart the whole time...Good movie though.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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Hmmm...
I used to get my ass kicked by everyone when playing games... I still do.
I think it is because I excel at games where I can plot and plan ahead. For example, my first run through of most RPGs ends up with my characters kicking the shit out of the final bosses. There isn't so much "skill" as there is "dedication". Oh you can bet your ass I was fucking amazing when I was playing WoW, but too much of that sort of thing is just bad news for me.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
I'm better at SMB1 than I used to be, mainly because I'm more confident than I was. I used to always fuck up repeatedly in 8-1 at that one jump where there's one little space in the middle of the pit that you have to hit. I always so afraid I'd miss that I usually did miss. I suppose this goes for any game with lots of jumping.
As for other old games, I'm definitely worse than I was. They don't make games as hard as they used to any more, so I haven't had to live up to that level of challenge in quite awhile. |
By the way, did you pull all your hair out after beating Adventure Island one for the Fat Ass Island Article?
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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
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No. I did not. With save states, it was a breeze. I actually made it through that fucking ridiculous part in 8-3 in like 10 tries.
However, I've gotten about 7 e-mails over the years asking how to beat 8-3, and I when I tried it again 6 months ago, I couldn't do it.
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IceWarm
Joined: Dec 22 2008
Location: Breckenridge, Colorado
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I remember almost beating Duck Tales on the NES back in the day but I had to turn it off because my dad wanted to watch football. Anyway I rented the game again a year later and totally sucked at it. I've also played it on NES emulators and I'm nowhere near as good as I was back then.
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Syd Lexia
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I'm still good at DuckTales. I've always hated that end part with Glomgold though. That's fucking bullshit.
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scamrock
Title: Space Bastard
Joined: Jan 26 2008
Location: Planet Druidia
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| I'm still good at DuckTales. I've always hated that end part with Glomgold though. That's fucking bullshit. |
Duck Tales, to me, is one of the easiest games on the NES.
I was always better than everyone else back in the NES days. Now, I play newer games with friends and get my ass kicked. But I can still destroy them when we play older games. It made me think that I was only better because I had played the games more. But then we would play an old game that none of us had played and I was still substantially batter. I think maybe I am just better at simple games with high degrees of difficulty rather than more complicated games that aren't as difficult.
As far as the experience factor goes for older gamers, I know I've said it more than one time on here, but I'll say it again. Playing the first Dragon Warrior as my first RPG is the reason why I destroy every RPG I play. Its also the reason I was able to spend several hours fighting in one room until I finally got the Pink Tail on Final Fantasy IV.
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Ba'al
Title: Zerg Zergling
Joined: Mar 02 2008
Location: Uranus
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To this day, I still can't beat that damn forest area in Double Dragon....hate that music too...
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Shut up, Dorn
Title: White Chocolate
Joined: Jan 04 2008
Location: Grate Whyte Norf
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I have always been amazing at brawlers such as DD and Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Two Crude Dudes, etc. but I fucking suck at games such as Zelda and Mega Man. I usually play through Zelda games with the walkthrough, just like RPG's.
I am the best at Genesis Sports games such as NHL Hockey - NHL '98, Bill Walsh College Football (and BWCF 95), Tecmo Super Bowl, etc.
I am also a Sonic master. But I will always blow donkey dick at Mega Man.
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SSNintendo
Title: Likes to Blow Sh*t Up
Joined: Oct 14 2006
Location: Virginia
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I'd like to see today's gamers play something like Dragon Warrior for the NES. You'll be spending quite a bit of time working your butt off for a sword and a shield.
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scamrock
Title: Space Bastard
Joined: Jan 26 2008
Location: Planet Druidia
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| I'd like to see today's gamers play something like Dragon Warrior for the NES. You'll be spending quite a bit of time working your butt off for a sword and a shield. |
No way. People today bitch if they have to grind at all. No way they could play the first Dragon Warrior. Maybe, 2-4 on the NES. That is only because there is other stuff to do while grinding levels. The first one has almost nothing. There may be a few that could do it, but not many.
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Cameron
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| I'd like to see today's gamers play something like Dragon Warrior for the NES. You'll be spending quite a bit of time working your butt off for a sword and a shield. |
No way. People today bitch if they have to grind at all. No way they could play the first Dragon Warrior. Maybe, 2-4 on the NES. That is only because there is other stuff to do while grinding levels. The first one has almost nothing. There may be a few that could do it, but not many. |
I think the primary reason behind that specific example is that Dragon Warrior's battles are simply too boring. Stuff like "CAM attacks!" was never really enough for me. As games got older, however, the battles became much more entertaining and interactive (the best example being The World Ends With You, where you can level-grind for hours upon hours no end and still be completely addicted).
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Undeath
Title: Facepuncher of Asses
Joined: Jan 15 2009
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| I'm still good at DuckTales. I've always hated that end part with Glomgold though. That's fucking bullshit. |
You know, I never lost that part when I was a kid, ever. So it took about 15 years of time passing, an emulator and a savestate, and a freshly beaten Dracula Duck. I always wondered what had happened if you let Glomgold get the treasure. I thought it'd be a bad ending or something, but no... you just gotta race him up the fucking rope again.
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Andrew Man
Title: Is a Funklord
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I am also a Sonic master. But I will always blow donkey dick at Mega Man. |
Perhaps because Sonic is fairly easy and simple, while Megaman is frame perfection difficulty?? Lol.
In all seriousness though, I recall being able to shred through MM games as like an 8 year old kid, however now I feel as though I just keep dying and dying...
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lavalarva
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I think the Mega Man games are mostly about knowing the enemies' patterns. I do fairly well at Mega Man 3 and did the Mr Perfect challenge in Mega Man 9, but I can't beat a single boss in Mega Man 4. It also doesn't help that I hate charging my buster.
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scamrock
Title: Space Bastard
Joined: Jan 26 2008
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| Cameron wrote: |
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| I'd like to see today's gamers play something like Dragon Warrior for the NES. You'll be spending quite a bit of time working your butt off for a sword and a shield. |
No way. People today bitch if they have to grind at all. No way they could play the first Dragon Warrior. Maybe, 2-4 on the NES. That is only because there is other stuff to do while grinding levels. The first one has almost nothing. There may be a few that could do it, but not many. |
I think the primary reason behind that specific example is that Dragon Warrior's battles are simply too boring. Stuff like "CAM attacks!" was never really enough for me. As games got older, however, the battles became much more entertaining and interactive (the best example being The World Ends With You, where you can level-grind for hours upon hours no end and still be completely addicted). |
I can agree with this. The thing is that when I first played Dragon Warrior, there weren't many other games to play. I can completely understand why somebody wouldn't want to play it with all of the better games available. But the game is a big reason why I always overlevel while I hear some people complain about spending any extra time at all leveling up.
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