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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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Get a Lancer Evo:
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| GP, are you looking for more room, more power, or more fuel mileage? More of everything? What price range are we looking at? |
Right now I have a 2007 Civic ESX w/ Nav. Sticker price on it was $21800. I am leasing it and got a great deal.
It isn't luxurious, but it has every car feature we could want. It is a great car to drive and I would recommend it to anyone who is interested in having a nice, good looking, fun car that doesn't cost too much.
The two of us have agreed that we will always keep one car that has lots of features and bells and whistles even if it isn't a luxury vehicle. But we only want one car like this at a time. The cost of the nicer car will range between $20,000 - $25,000. In another year when the lease expires we'll replace that car with one in that price range.
On the weekend we'll drive the nicer car and any time we take trips we'll take it.
During the week we have the need for a second car. Unfortunately we can't carpool anymore and it is time to fork up some cash for an additional set of wheels.
This car's only job is to go 15-30 miles a day 5 days a week. Over 3 years we will only drive it 15k-25k miles. We don't want to deal with the problems associated with buying a pre-owned vehicle. We also don't want to have to worry about having work done to the car for maintenance.
We plan to lease the car for 3 years at 12,000 miles per year (lower just isn't an option). I would hope to find a vehicle around $15,000 from which to base the lease.
I know that is low, but the car use will be minimal.
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
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Volkswagen...Good on fuel and you wont get murdered by an SUV if you get hit.
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Ash is probably just home humping his SNES collection.
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Douche McCallister
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Title: DOO-SHAY
Joined: Jan 26 2007
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Keep in mind that basically none of the US car companys are offering leases anymore so you basically are forced to go foreign if your gonna lease. For the amount your going to use it I would honestly just look at a decent used vehicle.
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Cattivo
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Location: Lake Michigan
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Used is always best. Never buy new if you plan on selling in a matter of a few years. The amount the car decreases in value when you first drive a new car of the lot is astonishing. You'll lose less money trading it in three years later if you buy used.
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Burt Reynolds
Title: Bentley Bear
Joined: Apr 07 2008
Location: California
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| Cattivo wrote: |
| Used is always best. Never buy new if you plan on selling in a matter of a few years. The amount the car decreases in value when you first drive a new car of the lot is astonishing. You'll lose less money trading it in three years later if you buy used. |
This. I understand your point, GP. Having a brand new car takes away a lot of headache associated with previous owner wear and tear, warranties etc, but I find it best to get a used car from a dealership with low mileage and a factory warranty. You save thousands just because somebody drove it around for 10,000 miles.
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Cattivo
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Location: Lake Michigan
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CarMax is pretty reliable for quality and standards, plus you don't have to haggle.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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I'd buy used or certified pre-owned as well. Buying new doesn't make much sense when you factor in depreciation and whatnot... Overall, a car is the worst investment you can make, albeit sometimes a necessary one...
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
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I worked in the car sales industry for one year...yuk. Anyways it was with VW, a pretty good company and all I can say is LEASE! Do not buy unless you have to. Buy what will appreciate (A Home); RENT what will depreciate (ALL CARS!)...I have a GTI and its the funnest car Ive ever owned (leased).
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Ash is probably just home humping his SNES collection.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| Marine79 wrote: |
| I worked in the car sales industry for one year...yuk. Anyways it was with VW, a pretty good company and all I can say is LEASE! Do not buy unless you have to. Buy what will appreciate (A Home); RENT what will depreciate (ALL CARS!)...I have a GTI and its the funnest car Ive ever owned (leased). |
This is the plan.
I want to lease with 0 down. I don't feel like giving up a bulk cash lot up front.
Why should they earn interest on my money?
Last night I test drove a Mazda 3.
Wow. It was amazing. I really expected it to be subpar based on the price being lower than its competition. It wasn't. I really enjoyed driving it.
This morning I am getting my Honda Serviced. If the sales people come in early, I'll try to get a test drive here too.
All in all, I want to try and test drive a few different cars.
For those who have been here a while, you know I have OCD. I really need a new car. I just can't deal with old ones, always wondering what other people did to them. I had a used Camry forever... I just can't do it again.
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Cattivo
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Location: Lake Michigan
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| I just can't deal with old ones, always wondering what other people did to them. |
What could they have done to it? The only major problem would be if they got in an accident, but that would be on the CarFax report - which a CarMax dealer will give to you for free.
It's not like someone is going wipe his snot, piss, and shit all over the seats before they sell it....
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King
Title: CTE
Joined: Apr 27 2008
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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I feel for you OCD it will cost you much in the long run with a car. There are arguements either way in terms of leasing, I am against it. Yes you can have a new car for a few years and then give it back, but you never really have anything that is yours, and in the end you always have a car payment. You will pour thousands of dollars into the car for normal monthly expenses, gas, upkeep and such, and in the end, less fond memories, you have nothing. Also, you have to be overly cautious with the vehicle. Parking farther away to avoid any possibility of having anything touch the car. I would say mileage, but I don't think that will be a problem with you in this case. Either way know that even for minor damage on a lease the fees will be enforced strictly. Lastly, as you may already know, leasing a car comes with higher car insurance rates. While I feel being screwed a lot of the time for having to pay car insurance, you are being doubley screwed by taking the extra hit of the higher premiums.
I would say that if all possible go for a used deal. I am a big fan of CarFax. It was fairly cheap, you buy the unlimited service for only one month, and can check everything out. If you have to have new I would then go for something quite cheaper and buy. Know this though, I know of many friends that bought cars from various dealers, makes models, and aside from recalls, have had problems from what employees and or test drives did to the cars. Is it as bad as what a used car could hide, hard to say, probably not depending, but it can sometimes. Essentially Cars = Risk, always. Good luck, and anything I can do to help let me know.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| Cattivo wrote: |
| GPFontaine wrote: |
| I just can't deal with old ones, always wondering what other people did to them. |
What could they have done to it? The only major problem would be if they got in an accident, but that would be on the CarFax report - which a CarMax dealer will give to you for free.
It's not like someone is going wipe his snot, piss, and shit all over the seats before they sell it.... |
My last preowned car had bloodstains in the back seat's armrest. The car always had something funky with the front left headlight fixture. Also the timing belt went early.
On my Civic I can assure you that my 2 years of driving it in Boston put a shitload of wear and tear on the car compared to my new suburban lifestyle. Sucks for the next person who buys it and has to deal with suspension issues early.
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King
Title: CTE
Joined: Apr 27 2008
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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I was just thinking and have 2 great examples of brand new cars friends of mine purchased and had problems with. First vehicle was a Dodge SRT-4, it was the performance version of the Neon that was made in 2003-2005. Anyway, it ran fine on a test drive, not problems, got that car. Within a week the exhaust was backfiring and making the strangest aspiration noises as related to the turbo. We checked, it seemed that the staff had beat the crap out of this car, taking it home nights and putting it through it's paces because not only was that a problem, but the wheel bearings were about shot. Needless to say, it was taken back and returned under our states lemon law and he shopped elsewhere. The 2nd vehicle was a Mazda RX-8. Within in 2 months of my friend owning the car, the clutch went, and then the transmission. Again, somebody at the dealership must have beat on the car. In this case however, it did not go his way because it could not be proved that he wasn't the one that did it somehow, even though he did not, had driven stick well for years, and had owned other performance vehicles. Just thought I would throw that out there for examples.
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Cattivo
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Location: Lake Michigan
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| GPFontaine wrote: |
| My last preowned car had bloodstains in the back seat's armrest. |
Why would you buy a car with bloodstains in it? If you do, why wouldn't you then get it reupholstered?
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| The car always had something funky with the front left headlight fixture. Also the timing belt went early. |
Every car is going to have some problems. You just have to deal with it as it comes along. If it's not one thing, it's another.
My last car, a '96 T-Bird, I owned for about ten years. It always had battery problems. It was a good car besides that, so it didn't matter.
My latest car I bought almost a year ago, '05 Monte Carlo, 3 yrs old, only 8K miles on it. But I got in a small fender bender in it a couple months ago. Now the engine doesn't sound or act young anymore - it used to idle at exactly 700 RPM, now it jumps around between 600 to 900 within a matter of seconds. It's just the way things happen.
Cars are just tools. Use them, service them accordingly, then throw them away after a while. Buying used will help in this regard by denting your wallet less.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| Cattivo wrote: |
| GPFontaine wrote: |
| My last preowned car had bloodstains in the back seat's armrest. |
Why would you buy a car with bloodstains in it? If you do, why wouldn't you then get it reupholstered? |
I didn't see the blood because it was on a side of the arm wrest that pulls down in the back seat.
When I bought the car I just didn't see that side of it, I saw the other side of it.
It was a mistake I haven't made again, but seriously... blood?
I didn't have it redone because it would have been expensive to do for a feature I don't see often. Still... it isn't cool that there was a blood stain.
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King
Title: CTE
Joined: Apr 27 2008
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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You just have to check things out well, I recommend that for any vehicle, new or used. Also, you can usually steam clean those out, not very expensive, I've done it before to help someone out.
On a side note: Props on the Monte Carlo Cattivo. I have a 04 Impala I got in 06 used. Blue book was $12,500, I got it for $9900, and a 3 month warranty. I am the proponent for used cars. Great deals, and, it helps because if you wait the 2 or 3 years you have a better idea on the ratings from Edmunds.com, Consumer Reports etc. about reliability, recalls, and so on. I would hate to buy a new car and find out that that model year has like 10 recalls and all these problems the previous years did not and have to deal with all that shit and hassle.
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Cattivo
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Location: Lake Michigan
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Exactly King. I have the same mentality for PC Games - I always wait a few months after the release (sometimes even a year). That way all of the bugs are worked out in patch releases by the time I buy it, and usually the price is lower. Saves the hassle of dealing with all those bugs.
I love my Monte Carlo. It was a deal too - just finding a 3 yr old car with that low of mileage was phenomenal.
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
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O down is right. You never put money down on a lease unless you want to just buy down your payment. You do need to put your first months payment up though because thats just how a lease works. Other than that dont let them talk you into putting anything else down. Also be realistic, ask to see the invioce (they will show you)...and yes this is a real invoice (dealerships dont risk being shut down to score 200 bucks with a fake invoice.) After you see the invoice let them know you will pay 200 dollars over invoice-thats usually Very fair for all involved. Mazda is more American so I dont know I think they have a lot more room for discounts and such. VW had about a 300-500 markup on most of their cars (sad but true, but it does help them retain value because your not getting screwed from the start). Any questions let me know.
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Ash is probably just home humping his SNES collection.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| Marine79 wrote: |
| O down is right. You never put money down on a lease unless you want to just buy down your payment. You do need to put your first months payment up though because thats just how a lease works. Other than that dont let them talk you into putting anything else down. Also be realistic, ask to see the invioce (they will show you)...and yes this is a real invoice (dealerships dont risk being shut down to score 200 bucks with a fake invoice.) After you see the invoice let them know you will pay 200 dollars over invoice-thats usually Very fair for all involved. Mazda is more American so I dont know I think they have a lot more room for discounts and such. VW had about a 300-500 markup on most of their cars (sad but true, but it does help them retain value because your not getting screwed from the start). Any questions let me know. |
$200 over invoice is the negotiating point from which I should begin to discuss the lease?
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
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The Subaru Justy has great mileage if you don't mind driving a roller skate.
* edit * and if you can find one that runs.
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
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Well, that depends on the car. Ask to see the invoice, when they show you, tell them you will pay invoice and you have a deal. Understand that they need to make a living, but they are not going to rip you off. Make sure you understand the lease, i.e. the mileage allowed, the years in the term (only do 3) and the turn in fee. Also make sure you check your credit before you go and find out what the rates they offer are, that way you know you are not getting hosed on interest (although there is no interest in a lease, it is called a money factor.) Anyways invoice or 200 over is a good deal on a german car. ON an american car, shoot for about 2000 below invoice lol, they must be having a going out of business sale at GM>
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Ash is probably just home humping his SNES collection.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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Well, GP, I'm in need of a new (used) car as well. Totaled my focus in an accident and now i'm looking at a Chev Prizm (aka toyota corolla), or a Mazda protege. Possibly a kia rio. I'm leaning towards Asian autos, but Euro is good too. Maybe i'll post pics of the damgage tomorrow. Good luck GP with your car shopping, I'll be grinding my teeth finding a new set of wheels as well.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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Today I got a Mazda3 i Value for a few hours. My wife and I took turns driving it.
I am using my 2007 Civic EX as a reference car since it is the same type of car.
The Mazda 3 had better seats.
The Mazda 3 had better control around corners.
The Mazda 3 had a bigger glove box.
The Civic was better in so many ways:
Accelerations
Breaking
Sound System
Dashboard Setup
MPG
Rear seat space
Keeping speed on the highway without running up the RPMS too fast.
Better sun visors
An arm wrest for the driver.
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King
Title: CTE
Joined: Apr 27 2008
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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I would stay away from a Rio. I dated a girl that bought one new, loaded, and it died within a month, and after 6 months of headache, returned it and got a different, non-kia car. If you must go korean, get a Hyundai. I am a huge fan of the protege though. Still good mazda engineering, not much shitty Ford in it, and quite sport both in the drive and looks.
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