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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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For it? Against it? Hope to get it? Discuss.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
Location: Hiding
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So completely for it, so long as guilt is 100% established.
Help us clear out some of those prisons that are overcrowding.
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Dr. Jeebus
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Title: SLF Harbinger of Death
Joined: Sep 03 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
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Tyop
Title: Grammar Nazi
Joined: May 04 2008
Location: Sauerkrautland
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I'm against the death penalty. I am however for the idea to pit convicted criminals against each other in televised game shows where they have to fight for their lives.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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I am not sure about all of the state laws, but given what I think I know about the situation I am 99% against it.
The primary reason why I am against it is money. It is simply too expensive to kill someone. It costs millions of dollars to execute someone, and only a fraction of that to hold them in a cell and feed them.
I would rather see that money go to help repair the damage caused by the criminal and to help prevent similar crimes in the future.
One of the other reasons I am against it is because the process is brutal for all parties involved. The time it takes to process one of these cases glorifies the crime and the criminal. Yes, they are going to die (probably?) but they are on the news, they are in the spotlight.
Lastly, I personally don't think it is right to kill someone. Don't get me wrong, I want to. I just know in my heart it isn't how it should be.
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drewbocop
Joined: Jun 20 2008
Location: Michigan
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| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| I'm for both abortion and the death penalty. The world's a crowded place, and I like to put my feet up. |
LOL. I, too, am pro-abortion and death penalty. Though I don't know what would be worse, dying or rotting in a jail cell until death. I'd go with the latter I think.
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Slayer1
Title: ,,!,, for you know who
Joined: Sep 23 2008
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I'm restricted abortion, but those criminals got to go. I've always believed that it's better to deter then rehabilitate. It's easy to fool those doctors and cover up yourself into a good looking citizen.
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Cattivo
Joined: Apr 14 2006
Location: Lake Michigan
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Like so many divisive issues, I view it as a states' right issue. Every state should decide what it wants to do individually.
Personally, I used to be for it for financial reasons, as well as the possible saving of future lives if the criminal doesn't get rehabilitated. I'm kind of against it now because of ethical reasons, but I really don't have a strong opinion on the issue anymore.
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Hacker
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Joined: Sep 13 2008
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I am against it
what if the criminal is not guilty but is judged guilty
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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I am against it
what if the criminal is not guilty but is judged guilty |
Then they are fucked either way.
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Nekkoru
Title: Polish Pickle Wench
Joined: Jan 25 2008
Location: Warsaw, Poland
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I'm against it, mostly because we have a thing called human rights. In the human rights declaration there is one right that sticks out: THE FUCKING RIGHT TO LIVE.
When you pass death penalty, weird shit is going to start. For example, China. They sell organs from the inmates they kill. Back the fun truck back the fuck up and read that again.
They kill people (for pretty much anything) and sell their organs.
Now, of course - they can't sell the organs after they have died, so they need to inject a serum into an inmate so the body won't die so fast. They do it with a really big syringe - one that wasn't meant for humans, but animals like horses.
After the guard shoots the inmate in the head, the doctors rush onto the scene and like Romero's zombies, get at the good bits. After they chopped off whatever they need, they just toss the body onto the ground and go on with their day.
One time, they needed some eye part for a military pilot. They found one person who matched his immunological profile and accused him of propaganda. They tortured his friends until they testified and they killed him just so the pilot could have a transplant.
I had a class about this kinda stuff today.
My point is: if you want to kill your criminals, you shouldn't have accepted the damn declaration.
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Ice2SeeYou
Title: Sexual Tyrannosaurus
Joined: Sep 28 2008
Location: South of Heaven
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Against the death penalty.
But FOR hard labor for convicts, like they used to have back in the 30's. Put them to work widening the Grand Canyon or de-jellyfishing the oceans by hand.
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JStrangiato
Title: El Hombre Strangiato
Joined: Jun 12 2007
Location: Texas
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| drewbocop wrote: |
| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| I'm for both abortion and the death penalty. The world's a crowded place, and I like to put my feet up. |
LOL. I, too, am pro-abortion and death penalty. Though I don't know what would be worse, dying or rotting in a jail cell until death. I'd go with the latter I think. |
Definitely the latter, especially factoring in the forced sodomy factor that goes with prison. I'd rather be put to death than endure that, possibly daily.
I don't really have a moral opposition to it, but if GP is correct and it does cost much more to execute an inmate, that I wouldn't be opposed to removing it as an option. As you can tell, I don't feel too strongly about it. I do think the wait time is a bit too long; if we have solid, concrete evidence that the person is 100% guilty, then they should be executed fairly quickly, not wait on death row for twenty years.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| enshinkarateman wrote: |
| drewbocop wrote: |
| Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
| I'm for both abortion and the death penalty. The world's a crowded place, and I like to put my feet up. |
LOL. I, too, am pro-abortion and death penalty. Though I don't know what would be worse, dying or rotting in a jail cell until death. I'd go with the latter I think. |
Definitely the latter, especially factoring in the forced sodomy factor that goes with prison. I'd rather be put to death than endure that, possibly daily.
I don't really have a moral opposition to it, but if GP is correct and it does cost much more to execute an inmate, that I wouldn't be opposed to removing it as an option. As you can tell, I don't feel too strongly about it. I do think the wait time is a bit too long; if we have solid, concrete evidence that the person is 100% guilty, then they should be executed fairly quickly, not wait on death row for twenty years. |
The process is slow because of the number of appeals that can be made. If you make it go quicker, you higher the risk of killing an innocent man. If you make it go slower, you increase the cost of the process.
It is a more sensible solution to remove the death penalty all together. The sentence can be carried out more quickly and if the person is innocent you don't mistakenly kill them.
In the end, someone who deserves the death penalty will die one way or another.
It is the price that all men pay.
To me, what is most important is removing that person from society and focusing on helping the victims.
Spending millions of dollars to kill someone doesn't make the crimes they committed go away. Just like spending millions of dollars wouldn't be able to fix the problems they caused. But if you have to choose between the two... doesn't trying to help the victim seem like a morally better idea?
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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I'm against the death penalty. From what I understand, it actually costs more money to fry/put 'em to sleep than to keep 'em in a cell. Plus, it's the easy way out. Criminals should think about what they did, not get killed themselves. However, it could be argued that they would have a chance of escape.... If they really want to escape, they'll figure out a way to kill themselves or escape I guess....
On the other hand, I think the punishment should match the crime. If a guy is in prison for a rape/murder, he should be raped by 20 big black guys in the shower and kicked in the ribs for 20 minutes. After that he should get one year in the hole. He should not be allowed to die. That would be too good for a criminal of this caliber... Fuck the whole thing against "cruel and unusual punishment", some crimes committed are far beyond cruel and unusual...
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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I was just thinking... we should offer an "Opt out early" clause to all prisoners serving life in prison terms.
If they choose, we should offer to put them to death (lethal injection).
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sidewaydriver
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Joined: May 11 2008
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I'm for it but not the way we do it. Forget lethal injection, I want brutality.
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Ash Burton
Title: AshRaiser
Joined: Nov 10 2008
Location: Florida
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Against it. The justice system is controlled by men, thus it is flawed. You can release a man from jail after serving a 9 years of a life sentence if new evidence finds him innocent but you cannot bring that same man back from the dead. Instead, why not create some sort of legion of criminals like France does? We could train these killers to put their evil minds to work killing terrorists and such, first...send in the criminals, then send the Marines to kill the rest of whats left and oops, I shot a rapist (friendly fire is a bitch).
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
Location: Hiding
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| I'm against it, mostly because we have a thing called human rights. In the human rights declaration there is one right that sticks out: THE FUCKING RIGHT TO LIVE. |
Quite simply, when you commit a crime and are convicted of it, the stte has the right to take your rights away as punishment. If the crime is severe enough, that can certainly include your life. Besides, the guy certainly didn't respect another person's rights, why should the state respect his?
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The primary reason why I am against it is money. It is simply too expensive to kill someone. It costs millions of dollars to execute someone, and only a fraction of that to hold them in a cell and feed them. |
Of course it costs more to hold someone for 10 years and fight their appeals than it does to just hold them. But I don't think money needs to enter into the equation when you're dealing with someone's life.
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| One of the other reasons I am against it is because the process is brutal for all parties involved. The time it takes to process one of these cases glorifies the crime and the criminal. Yes, they are going to die (probably?) but they are on the news, they are in the spotlight. |
I do agree there. Then again, capital crimes are usually all over the news anyways.
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That's why they get automatic appeals. And DNA evidence nowadays makes wrongful convictions for capitol cases tough to do nowadays.
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I was just thinking... we should offer an "Opt out early" clause to all prisoners serving life in prison terms.
If they choose, we should offer to put them to death (lethal injection).
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Hmmm...part of me likes the idea, another part of me doesn't like giving the prisoner that choice.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
Location: Mpls Mini Soda
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| Tyop wrote: |
| I'm against the death penalty. I am however for the idea to pit convicted criminals against each other in televised game shows where they have to fight for their lives. |
Heh, Running Man style, eh? I'm all for this... But only if it stars Richard Dawson and Jesse Ventura.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
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I'm pro death penalty when it comes to murder rape child molestations etc.... but then again there is the issue if they turn out to be innocent after you fry em... All I can really say is that I'm sure glad the decision to pull the lever aint up to me. 
I also kinda like Marine's point about a criminal legion and Doc's idea about equally cruel and unusual punishment for cruel and unusual crime.
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King
Title: CTE
Joined: Apr 27 2008
Location: Harrisburg, PA
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I am with GP on this one, and I love, LOVE Ice2seeYou's idea of having the criminals dejellyfishing the oceans by hand. That shit made me laugh for like 10 min.
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Tyop
Title: Grammar Nazi
Joined: May 04 2008
Location: Sauerkrautland
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| docinsano wrote: |
| Tyop wrote: |
| I'm against the death penalty. I am however for the idea to pit convicted criminals against each other in televised game shows where they have to fight for their lives. |
Heh, Running Man style, eh? I'm all for this... |
Depending on when it airs, it might even give new meaning to the term "Friday night death slot".
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ReeperTheSeeker
Joined: Aug 26 2007
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I'm all for it for the right punishment, like rape or/and murder. What would keep a serial killer from killing again when locket up for life. How many guards must die before lives taken are weighed against the life not worth keeping. What is the point of the life sentence when a person's life ends anyway, might as well make it official.
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Syd Lexia
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Title: Pop Culture Junkie
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Is anyone here anti-death penalty but pro-abortion? If so, how do you justify it? Clearly you don't believe that life is an inalienable right.
As for the death penalty itself, I am for it. There are three basic philosophies as to the function of law: prevention, punishment, and rehabilition. I fully reject the notion of rehabilition. I believe that the law's primary purpose should be punishment, with prevention achieved as a byproduct. That is to say, the punishment experience whether it be prison or the death penalty, should be so horrible it that prevents you from ever committing that crime again. If the prison experience in and of itself doesn't motivate you to better yourself, then the punishment should have been harsher.
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