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Hideo = Genius or Insane?


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Tebor
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2006 05:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

No, this has nothing to do with MGS4.

It's 3:45 a.m. and for whatever reason I thought reading the "Grand Game Plan" for "Metal Gear Solid 2" was a good thing to do:

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/show_downloads.php?id=635

It occured to me that much more thought was given to the game than I initially gave it credit. Even more, the game plan is even more complex (Sasaki had a much bigger role!? The ninja had three voices!?). There is much more going on in Hideo's mind than I can possibly fathom. I have become utterly depressed from reading this document.

And now I completely forgive him for the vampire. Wink


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PostPosted: Nov 15 2006 07:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

I can let the bisexual vampire slide, and even the fat rollerskating bomb guy, but the scantily cald african american woman with the rail gun is a no no.


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PostPosted: Nov 15 2006 09:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Damn, Hideo and crew went ballistic in planning this game. I remember this game was what made me go buy a PS2, I was holding out until this and GT3 were out. I broke down and bought a PS2 early, when the MGS2 demo was released. (Anybody else, go out and buy "Zone of Enders, just for the MGS2 demo?) This is one of my top ten games of all time, and now I have a few new reasons to add as why. A few things I found interesting about the plan that would been awesome if they had implemented:

"After an injured soldier has received treatment (lasting a set period of time) in a medical room, they will return to the game field. The area of the body where they were injured will be covered in a bandage texture. If you attack a medical facility, you can prevent this from happening again. (The underlined section has been dropped.) "

A battle that takes place on Wall Street (at Federal Hall) – Snake versus Ocelot (controlled by Liquid’s right arm), and Raiden versus Solidus. Surrounding them are spectators and police officers, including mounted police. All in real-time.


Also interesting to note how the plot was changed in places:

1) Rescuing the President  Encounter with Solidus  The President dies (rescue fails)
2) Meet up with bomb squad  Defuse C4s planted inside plant  Underwater defusal
3) Destroy Metal Gear RAY  Deactivate PAL  Rescuing Emma  Snake is tortured (making it
appear as if he has died), Raiden is tortured (using sodium pentathol)  Emma dies
4) Eliminate Dead Cell  The real leader (Solidus)  AI Room (the President’s security team) 
The S3 Plan (the Patriots’ plan)  Destroy AI Room (the President’s security team)  Olga
Gurlukovich’s confession
5) The finale  Battle with Metal Gear RAY  Arsenal activated (goes on a rampage)
6) Destroy Arsenal  Plant C4s  Explosion  Escape
7) Eliminate Solidus  Boat chase  Battle on Wall Street (sword fight)
Note: The years in which the game takes place will not be specified in the game.


Mantis Mode
A type of hidden mode. By equipping an item called ‘Mantis’s Mask’, obtainable in the main game, you will be able to read peoples’ (enemies’) minds. If the player equips it during a repeat play-through, they will be able to better understand characters’ lies. It will have no effect on the story, however. We will record separate voice covering both the player wearing and not wearing the mask. We will also look into making this work with the captions as well. As the game has a complex story (full of betrayal and such), one of the objectives of this mode is to
make the story easier to understand for players who will not understand all of it in just one playthrough.

Two Player Versus Mode
This will be a mode for split-screen two player battles in certain areas from the game. It will be compatible with system link-up as well. Players can either fight each other or play a hide-and-seek type game. An examination of successful titles in America makes it clear that this an essential mode for this type ofgame.

The offshore plant’s aquarium
There is an area at the bottom of the offshore plant surrounded by glass walls, with all the marine life inhabiting the waters off New York visible outside. It is here that the player can stop to observe this marine life, though it has no bearing on the game itself. It is also possible to obtain information on them from Doc. The player does not need to come here in repeat play-throughs. In addition, the player will be able to virtually explore the ocean floor through a remote-controlled minisub, and can also save pictures taken with its camera.

Raiden’s girlfriend. She recently started working as a news anchor for a New York City cable TV station. Well versed in the world of finance, she attends night classes at NYU’s School of Business and wants to become a stock trader.
Her parents are famous independent hedge fund traders. She happens to be at the offshore plant on a news assignment the day of the incident and is taken captive. Held in the hostage area, she manages to secretly contact Raiden. However, she constantly just misses Raiden throughout the game, with the two never actually meeting. He is not able to save her. This part of the game develops like a love story, like the one in the film Aizen katsura. As they never meet, this will make the player wonder whether she is real or just an AI construct.


And, the detail in the back story is amazing:

The exercise that took place at Shadow Moses was a failure, the technology to launch a stealth warhead by rail gun still incomplete. Ocelot and Solidus covered up this fact in the MO disc’s data, purposefully leaking false data to the countries of the world in order to bring back worldwide nuclear deterrence. The leaking of the Shadow Moses incident was also done on purpose (which is why Nastasha’s book was allowed to be published).

Everything was done for the purpose of advancing the Arsenal Metal Gear Project. Solidus leaked the disc’s data with the knowledge that countries like Iraq and North Korea will never complete a Metal Gear.


The tanker was actually Arsenal Ship, disguised to hide its true nature. Arsenal Ship had moved into Phase IV and was in the middle of a test exercise. Its true objective was not only the transport of the new Metal Gear, but this test exercise as well. The commander of the operation was the Marine Corps Commandant, who both devised and advanced the project. The Arsenal Ship Program had reemerged after the failure of the REX Project, but Solidus, wanting to move the Arsenal Gear Project (headed up by the Navy) forward, kills the Commandant and sinks the prototype ship to the bottom of the ocean. The REX Project was the brainchild of both the Chief of Naval Operations and the Chief of Staff of its antithesis, the Army. In order to give Arsenal, which possesses no attack ability itself, anti-submarine defensive capabilities, it is loaded with the amphibious Metal Gear RAY. Solidus and Ocelot’s real objective was to scuttle the ship and put an end to the project.
Connections to the previous game
The Arsenal Ship Program, initiated in 1996, initially fell through in 1998. ArmsTech, the company behind the REX Project, lost its bid to build Arsenal Ship at Phase II. Wanting to advance (obtain funding for) the REX Project, ArmsTech, led by Kenneth Baker, were able to win over the DARPA Chief, Donald Anderson, and assassinate the proponent of Arsenal Ship, the 25th CNO. Arsenal Ship was the CNO’s pet project. However, the revelation of the Shadow Moses incident put an end to the REX Project, and Arsenal Ship resurfaced under the Marine Corps, who carried it to Phase IV.


In addition to its decontamination faculties, the offshore plant was also built to extract all the heavy metals (minerals), such as lithium and nickel, which are constantly leaked into the harbor’s water from the manganese nodules on the seabed. Its purpose is not only to clean up the oil, but to excavate the massive
amounts of natural resources present in the water as well. This top-secret, ground-breaking technology has profound implications for the future of the country. It is even said that gold can be extracted from seawater. The inexhaustible supply of gold this could mean would have an incalculable effect on the global economy.
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PostPosted: Nov 15 2006 10:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It just boggles my mind how much time and thought Hideo took to plan and map this all out. So much of what he wanted in the game was impossible (some still is) to translate in a game medium. In a sense, video games will never live up to the experience Hideo wants to share with us. I can see why he says each game will be his last and how he'll never direct another MGS game again. It's disappointment after disappointment. But, I'm glad he keeps at it. Maybe by the end he'll get the game he truly envisions... We can only hope. Cool


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PostPosted: Nov 16 2006 02:56 am Reply with quote Back to top

I think that Hollywood should just give him a director's hat, a casting call, access to Skywalker Ranch or WETA, and $200 million dollars for a budget. Then set him loose and see what happens.
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PostPosted: Nov 16 2006 03:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

He's making a MGS movie...an actual celluloid film.


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PostPosted: Nov 16 2006 04:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

yeah, it's too bad that MGS2 sucked.


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PostPosted: Nov 16 2006 10:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JEW wrote:
yeah, it's too bad that MGS2 sucked.


Not be a "hater", if you will, but truer words have never been spoken.

MGS1 was phenomenal. I hear really, really good stuff about MGS3, too. But I tried (and tried and tried) to like MGS2 and couldn't make myself do it. Blech...
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PostPosted: Nov 17 2006 12:14 am Reply with quote Back to top

Come join my newly started movie discussion here:

http://www.sydlexia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1104
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PostPosted: Nov 17 2006 01:14 am Reply with quote Back to top

greeneyedzeke wrote:
JEW wrote:
yeah, it's too bad that MGS2 sucked.


Not be a "hater", if you will, but truer words have never been spoken.

MGS1 was phenomenal. I hear really, really good stuff about MGS3, too. But I tried (and tried and tried) to like MGS2 and couldn't make myself do it. Blech...


same here. I was one of hte people that was dying to get it when it first came out, and was severely unimpressed. I didnt; like 3 much eaither, and I don't have much fait hin 4


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PostPosted: Nov 17 2006 05:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I didn't play MGS2 until it came out in Substance. I was severe addicted for three days straight. I couldn't concentrate on anything... not until I finished it and found out what was going on... It took many more months and years after that before I got my answers, but worth it in the end I thought.

Great soundtrack, got me in a jazz mood for a couple of years. Harry Gregson-Williams fo' life. Laughing


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PostPosted: Nov 19 2006 11:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

MGS2 is the only one I have and is the only one I haven't beat . Its a brilliant series but I can't stand MGS2 just because the beginning isnt all that fun .
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PostPosted: Nov 25 2006 09:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Snake Eater is right up there with MSG1, IMO.

In fact, I'm worried that it will be hard to go back and play as Solid Snake again, just because Big Boss was so frickin' cool.

Also, the whole jungle scene was a lot better than the urban environments of the other games, I think.


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PostPosted: Nov 26 2006 08:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

i was unaware that an island military base and an off shore oil rig were considered urban nowadays.


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PostPosted: Nov 26 2006 09:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JEW wrote:
i was unaware that an island military base and an off shore oil rig were considered urban nowadays.


I couldn't think of a better word for the abundance of man-made structures.

For me, the high points of Snake Eater were the natural settings.


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PostPosted: Nov 27 2006 08:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

the only thing that I enjoyed in that game was shooting the alligators with the shotgun and eating them.


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