RobotGumshoe wrote:

JEW wrote: somebody apparantly underestimates the power of EX sonic booms to start combos. I'm gonna read up on that, or visit youtube. Remy is normally classified as a low tier character, along with sean, 12, and Q.

Yes he is, although I'd certainly put him above those three at least.

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But thats the really good thing about III strike. I've watched someone tear up a genuinely good alex player with Q. The game is well balanced, and you can dominate with anyone.

Sure, but Alex isn't that high in the tiers to begin with... and I'm a hardcore Alex player.

I love 3rd Strike, but well-balanced? Naw.

JEW wrote:

untrue. that crazy dive bomb glider thing is his best super.

well, the only good Twelve player I've seen (a Japanese player named Yamazaki) uses SA1 X.N.D.L., which is the ground tentacle super. From what I understand the main attraction of picking that super is not for the super itself, but because you can store more EX moves with that super than with the other two. And in the occasion that you get an opening from the ground, comboing into the super is a breeze.

The air super doesn't do much damage, and X.C.O.P.Y. has one fatal weakness - he has to morph back when the timer runs out, and he takes HUGE damage during this time. Not worth it.

Char Aznable wrote:

Akuma either has high attack and low stamina (as in SF Alpha), or high stamina and low attack (like in SF 3). Either way, his specials are still awesome. I just don't like him in 3 as much as I do in Alpha. Also, Hugo can kick ass, but it takes shitloads of practice.

Uh, Akuma takes more damage than any other character in 3rd Strike, that's not high stamina.

Murdar Machene wrote:

I've seen some retardedly good urien players, but it's true for the most part that ryu and ken are the preffered players. This is because shotos are cheap shit.

Ken is #3 in the game (behind Yun and Chun-Li), but Ryu isn't that high up. He's more accessible to people that have played SF before, but trying to play Ryu in the traditional SF way will get you killed.

RobotGumshoe wrote:

Now, sean was meant to be the only shoto in III, but fan pressure forced capcom's hand. Sean, so as to not show up the originals, got worse with new editions.

I'm pretty sure Sean was not meant to be the only shoto in the original SF3. You think they'd get rid of Ryu and Ken when they were in SF1, SF2, and pretty much every other SF game ever (Marvel vs. Capcom 1 doesn't count)? Come on.

As for getting worse with every new edition? Wrong. Yeah, Sean wasn't that great in the original SF3 New Generation, he had high stun damage from the Tornado Kick but that's about all he had going for him. But in 2nd Impact, they accidentally made him top tier. Totally not kidding here, Sean is a BEAST in 2I. His Hyper Tornado super does an insane amount of damage (Standing Roundhouse hit confirm into Hyper Tornado = 50-60% damage), and he gets to store two of them so he gets a lot of meter for EX moves, and EX Tornado Kick was insanely good since it was unretaliable (and let you link a Hyper Tornado afterwards if it connected). So yeah, he was too good, Capcom realized that and fucked him up hardcore for 3rd Strike so there'd be no way for him to "accidentally" have anything that would make him a contender. It's still possible to win with him of course, but you have to work your ass off.

I had a 62-win streak with Sean in 2nd Impact back when I lived in Austin. Good times.

JEW wrote:

I was jsut commenting on how cool the dive bomb thing is. it looks funny as hell, and glitchy as fuck.

haha okay. It does look rather awkward.

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you are probably right. I'm also basing alot of my opinons on what I've encountered on X box live, but then again, there are people who competitively play makoto on there.

well, Makoto is way up there too. But the thing about Makoto is that she is truly a random character, her entire game is based on outguessing the opponent. Guess right and you get big damage and stun, guess wrong and you get killed.

this is an amusing video, seeing how Kokujin is one of the best Dudley players in Japan:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bxke7BGgMow

BBH wrote:

actually, sean WAS supposed to be the only shoto in street fighter III, until the japanese complained.

Where did you guys hear this? I'm really curious, because I don't remember there EVER being any concrete information available about the game until Fall 1996 or so. Sure there were always rumors and hearsay, but it wasn't until then that there were acutal screenshots/artwork and information about the game (I remember seeing the pictures on Gamefan Online, heh). That seemed to be the first public unveiling of the game, and of course Ryu and Ken were there among the characters. There was no mention of Capcom ever testing the game before then, so I can't figure out how the Japanese "complained". (and hell, once the pictures were out, EVERYONE was complaining... "Where are Guile and Chun-Li??" "Look at these freaks! An old man and a cross between Dhalsim and Blanka? And a kid on a skateboard?" "So where's Bison, he should be the boss right?" etc etc)

You just can't have Street Fighter without Ryu and Ken, they HAD to be there from the start. Love em or hate em, they ARE the heart and soul of SF. (unless you're an idiotic US director, in which case you make Guile the star)

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I've never really bothered to play as him much, and most of my expereince with street fighter III was with third strike, so I can't comment too much on his gameplay changes, but I've seen him do decent, even against chun li players.

depends on how good the Chun's are of course. Against a good turtling Chun, he has almost no chance. All he can do is hope for some lucky parries and hopefully have enough super meter to capitialize on those parry opportunities.

JEW wrote:

Quote: Originally, Ryu and Ken were never meant to be in Street Fighter III. This would make Sean (Ken's pupil) the only character in the game that was played as if he was either Ryu or Ken. In Japan, once the fans found out about this, they complained to Capcom about it and demanded Ryu and Ken to be in it. Eventually, Capcom did put Ryu and Ken in it. This led to Sean being weaker, all the way to the Sean Matsuda known today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_fighter#Street_Fighter_III

If it's on Wikipedia, it *MUST* be true!

Under the 3rd Strike section:

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Target combos were also new - similar to the chain combos in Darkstalkers and SFA with the exception that each character only had specific chains of moves that could be linked into each-other.

...except target combos WEREN'T new to 3rd Strike, even regular New Generation had target combo chains, like Ryu's far Standing Fierce-Standing Roundhouse, Ken's close Standing Strong-Standing Fierce, Dudley's Short-Forward-Strong-Fierce and Forward-Roundhouse-Fierce (among others), Yun/Yang's Strong-Fierce-back+Fierce and jumping Jab-Short... by the way, did you know that Yun/Yang's Jab-Short air chain did block damage with the second hit (and the automatic third hit, which I think only came out against Alex, Dudley, or Gill)? Bizarre.

So yeah, I'm not really buying that unless there's a more credible source (like say a magazine interview or something). It just doesn't seem like something Capcom would do.

oh yeah, here's a video of me losing at a recent local tournament here. Did a lot of dumb shit, but whatever. Somehow ended up getting 3rd.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9PmKv91uSQA

JEW wrote:

I remember hearing it somewhere before I knew wikipedia existed. Wikipedia was jsut hte easiest and most accesable source at the moment. if I come across somehig nelse I'll post it for ya.

it's probable that you're completely right about this, but to me it just doesn't sound like something Capcom would do. Even if the name of the original SF3 was New Generation, they can't ditch the two characters that have been there from the start in SF1. But... yeah.

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you used my favorite super art with alex!

yeah, Boomerang Raid is Alex's best super, mainly because it gives him the highest amount of EX moves, since EX flash chop and elbow slash are very important. I loved Hyper Bomb in the original SF3, but after a while people start to catch on and it becomes hard to catch someone with it. It doesn't help that if they're not sticking out a move at the time and they see the super flash, all they have to do is hold up and they can jump away (unlike Hugo's Gigas Breaker, which is instant).