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Getting a new TV........Plasma or LCD?


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Ice2SeeYou
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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 02:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm looking to get a new HDTV.....should I go with plasma or LCD?

I'd like to go at least 46 inches, but I really want 50.

I'll be sitting about 10 feet away from it, and using it primarily for videogames. I know that plasma has the burn-in risk, but LCD can have blurring issues. (I don't usually play for hours on end, though.....usually no more than 2 hours at a time.)

Plasma's are cheaper than LCD's of comparable size. Also, I've been told that at a distance of 10 feet I probably won't see the difference between 720P and 1080P.


Any input or recommendations?


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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 02:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Get the lighter one, that'll make moving it easier, but overall I'd say plasma. Hopefully that's the lighter one, too. I'm sure they both have great image quality, but what would I know, I'm in the stone age. For me, it's CRT all the way baby.
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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 02:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm pretty diesel, so I'm not that concerned about moving. I think Plasma is the heavier of the two.


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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 02:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I did technical support for Samsung a few years back, and I would definitely say LCD. Nowadays, the picture quality isn't that much different and you don't have to worry about image retention with an LCD, which is especially beneficial if you're gaming on the TV.

I'd take a DLP myself, especially since they have LED-based DLPs now which has much more color potential than plasmas or LCDs and absolutely no chance of image retention, but there is a light source that has to be replaced about every 50,000 - 60,000 hours, which could be more or less.
I know that the old DLP bulbs were about $100-$150 to replace, but then again 60,000 hours of viewing is about the same as having the TV on for 7 years straight, though I'm sure such consistent use would bring down its lifespan. But even 8 hours a day still puts on 20 years, which is still quite the life for a modern television.


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Ice2SeeYou
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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 02:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Rycona wrote:
I did technical support for Samsung a few years back, and I would definitely say LCD. Nowadays, the picture quality isn't that much different and you don't have to worry about image retention with an LCD, which is especially beneficial if you're gaming on the TV.

I'd take a DLP myself, especially since they have LED-based DLPs now which has much more color potential than plasmas or LCDs and absolutely no chance of image retention, but there is a light source that has to be replaced about every 50,000 - 60,000 hours, which could be more or less.
I know that the old DLP bulbs were about $100-$150 to replace, but then again 60,000 hours of viewing is about the same as having the TV on for 7 years straight, though I'm sure such consistent use would bring down its lifespan. But even 8 hours a day still puts on 20 years, which is still quite the life for a modern television.


I was considering DLP, but for some reason they never look as good in the stores. They always seem really dim for some reason, compared to plasma's and LCD's. I've noticed this in several different stores.


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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 03:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A woman a work with has a DLP and hates it. In less then 2 years they have had to replace the lamp bulb twice and more then 200 bucks a pop, and now are having problems with rings of color on the screen and red spots. It's very odd, and they have babied the damn thing due to it's cost. It's a panasonic, and what is funny about that is Consumer Reports rates them as one of the best for TV's, however that is out of LCD's and Plasma, not DLP. I would say LCD, but Plasma can be great too, I would compare models you like in both and see which is best.


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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 05:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

LCD's are far behind Plasma when it comes to size. I have a 42 inch plasma, and it's 90 lbs. So weight unless your a little kid shouldn't be a problem regardless. My friend has a Sharp LCD tv and his games look hazy when I compare the two. I'm not sure if it's his settings or what but Panasonic has some good deals just depends on the number of inputs you need.

I love my plasma, and the ghosting that Rycona is talking about is never really a problem. I left a Family Guy DVD on over night and when I woke up the image could easily be seen when I turned the DVD player off, but only when nothing was on the screen could I notice it. It eventually faded completely, and its a 3 year old TV so I'm sure the Burn in protection has been upgraded. Most Plasma's dim now after a certain amount of time, and in 20 Years there is no way your going to want whatever "pathetic" TV you end up buying, by the standards of the future.


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PostPosted: Oct 09 2008 06:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

From what I know, LED DLPs have a lot less problems than standard DLP. Luminus, the company that created the PhlatLite LED technology used in at least Samsung's LED DLPs, claims that the life of those LEDs is 120,000+, nearly double the projection of my other source, so I don't think that replacement would be an issue. It is in the original DLPs, because they relied on an arc lamp and a color wheel, both of which are eliminated by the LED source.

Burn in protection has been upgraded with options like pixel shifting and buffering options, but it could still happen... and if it does and it affects your TV-related experience, you're out the price of the TV because most manufacture's don't cover image retention under warranty. People are so upset when you tell them that, but it's in the warranty and manual, so... I honestly wouldn't want to take the chance dropping $1,000+ on a TV and, with my gaming and whatnot, run the risk of image retention both ruining my TV and my wallet.

If image retention does happen, it may or may not be apparent enough to bug you, as with Douche's claims. It would bug the shit out of me, even if it was barely noticeable just because of the way I distinguish patterns. I have a friend who has a CRT with Dr. Mario faintly in the background of every picture. I have to look sometimes to see it, but once I notice it, I can't stop thinking about it, but that's mainly my problem, I suppose. With Plasmas, as long as you give them rest time, it shouldn't become a problem, I just know that I'd have mine on all day.

Then again, this is all irrelevant to the prices of these technologies, which I assume is also a factor. But you definitely don't have to worry about replacement with LED DLP, just old DLP.


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We already had a long discussion about this awhile back.

http://sydlexia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5400

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I have a Samsung DLP 61 inch. I love it. I don't mind the slightly larger size, the picture is great, no burn in, and a lot cheaper than the other two. My only gripe is that the viewing angle is not as good as the others, and it's difficult to see from my kitchen.


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PostPosted: Oct 11 2008 09:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Welp I went ahead and got this Panasonic 50-inch plasma 720P.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Panasonic-50-VIERA-Plasma-HDTV-TH-50PX80U/sem/rpsm/oid/206522/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

I paid $1099 for it, plus I got a stand, cables and the protection plan (which covers burn-in and power surges, so it sounded really worthwhile to me). I was thinking about bumping up to the 1080P, but at such a low price I thought the 720P was a steal. I managed to get everything for about $1800, so I don't think I did too badly. I think I'll be pretty happy with it.


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Either the stand was really expensive or the protection plan was.

What cost the extra $700????

If you spent more than $50 on all the cables* I will hunt you down and smack you in the mouth.

*ie. You were suckered into buying Monster Cables or a HDMI cable that cost $60+.
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PostPosted: Oct 12 2008 02:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
Either the stand was really expensive or the protection plan was.

What cost the extra $700????

If you spent more than $50 on all the cables* I will hunt you down and smack you in the mouth.

*ie. You were suckered into buying Monster Cables or a HDMI cable that cost $60+.


TV = $1099
Protection plan= $250 for 3 years, covers everything except accidental damage
Stand= $280
HDMI cable = $50
Delivery = $70
Tax = $105

Total = $1,854

Yea it sucks having to pay the delivery charge, but I don't have a truck or know anyone who does. Plus there's the risk of breaking it while moving it. If they deliver, the risk is on them.

Also, I lose power almost every time there's a thunderstorm. And since the protection plan covers power surges, I thought it was worthwhile.

The stand I got is pretty cool......it's got a cabinet on the bottom to put the receiver, DVD player and Xbox, but it's got a metal rack on the back that you hang the TV on. So it's essentially like having a wall mount without actually mounting it.


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I live in the stone age, my TV is gigantic heavy box, and the screen is screwed up, everything in the top right hand corner is all distorted. Sad



 
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My TV is a huge fuck that has white lines going across it and buzzes for the first hour it's turned on.


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Just wait till Sony makes these like 10 ft. wide. I read a story the other day that said they would be marketing them soon and could make them virtually any size at a remarkably cheap price.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6bkmPjVF-k
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Slump wrote:
Just wait till Sony makes these like 10 ft. wide. I read a story the other day that said they would be marketing them soon and could make them virtually any size at a remarkably cheap price.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6bkmPjVF-k


Could bangable robotic women be far behind?


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For all future HDMI needs:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882893002

Works awesome, made out of the same stuff and same quality as the $60 ones.
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Ice2SeeYou
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Knyte wrote:
For all future HDMI needs:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882893002

Works awesome, made out of the same stuff and same quality as the $60 ones.


Thanks, will keep that in mind next time. For some reason I got confused and thought I was doing alright paying $50 for the one I got. Monster cables are like $100 I think.


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They really try to sell you with gold-plated tips. Yes, gold does conduct better on the ends than most other materials used for wiring, but if you don't have gold in the middle, then the overall strength/quality of that signal is going to be equal to the worst material the signal travels through.

Just like the old weakest link in the chain adage. Or for the younger audience, it's like saving a pre-loaded bitmap image as a .JPG. You can open that JPG up back up and save it again as a .BMP, but it's not going to restore any loss of the color.


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Eh, I'm not big on protection plans, however I think that you did the right thing on getting one for your tv. Myself and many other I know, have almost always had some sort of problem with our TV's, and the protection plan eventually saves you a lot of money. Did your plan start after the manufacturers warranty? That's the way to go.


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Ice2SeeYou
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Burt Reynolds wrote:
Eh, I'm not big on protection plans, however I think that you did the right thing on getting one for your tv. Myself and many other I know, have almost always had some sort of problem with our TV's, and the protection plan eventually saves you a lot of money. Did your plan start after the manufacturers warranty? That's the way to go.


Actually I didn't even think about the manufacturer's warrenty, so I think the CC plan is just 3 years from the time of purchase.

Crap.....I need to be more careful next time Sad


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Most warranties offered at POS take effect after the manufacturer's warranty has expired. Even if you haven't registered or anything, most devices will still have a warranty in effect. Depending on the time frames, some companies can just verify the expiration of your base warranty by the serial number, which will usually store the DOM. Some companies may make you provide POP as well, but most don't unless there are other, shadier circumstances.

Also, I'd generally try to take advantage of manufacturer's warranties as long as its enabled. When dealing with the POS in terms of any additional warranty, they just do the same thing you would do, except there's a middle man involved. If you don't want to deal with it, then going through the POS for warranty would be fine, but I feel when it comes to something like costly television that I'd rather make all the arrangements myself and not leave it to Super McShady Weedmeister that works in the back of Best Buy who spends most of his day trying to find his way out of a giant cardboard box he crawled into and in turned up on him.


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PostPosted: Oct 13 2008 07:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ice2SeeYou wrote:
Slump wrote:
Just wait till Sony makes these like 10 ft. wide. I read a story the other day that said they would be marketing them soon and could make them virtually any size at a remarkably cheap price.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6bkmPjVF-k


Could bangable robotic women be far behind?


Nope haha...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21271545/
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Blackout wrote:
I live in the stone age, my TV is gigantic heavy box, and the screen is screwed up, everything in the top right hand corner is all distorted. Sad

When I was 12 I took a tv from the spring cleaning thing that goes on around here. I also got a recliner but I was told I had to choose between the 2. Since being able to play Nintendo in my room far outweighed being comfortable I choose the TV. Days later the picture got distorted in one of the corners. I placed a magnetic article on top of it and when I picked it up it became distorted again.

In summary Magnets help distorted tv.


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