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Knyte
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So, with the next crop of consoles coming out from the big three, it got me thinking. And, that can be quite scary at times. This time I started thinking about what our hard earned money is going to get us. And, then I started thinking about what our hard earned money, or more likely, our parent's hard earned money used to get us.
Today:
Nintendo Wii:
Price: $250
Includes:
hardware system
1 Wii remote
1 nunchuck
cables, sensor bar, console stand
copy of Wii Sports
Sony Playstation 3:
Price: $499-$599
Includes:
System
1 Controller
Cables
Hard Drive (Size Various depending on price model)
NO GAME
Microsoft XBox 360:
Price: $299-$399
Includes:
System
1 Controller (Wired or Wireless Depending on Price Model)
Hard Drive (Only with $399 model)
NO GAME
Nowadays, our hard earned money get us a game system that if we buy it, can stare at it, until we go out and spend more money on games. (Wii Excluded) In all cases, even after we go out and buy a game to play, we still cannot play with friends until we go buy more controllers. And, in Nintendos case, we have to go buy the "gamepad" controller if we want be able to play all the Virtual Console games.
Now let's take a look back in the past:
1977-
Atari VCS (2600):
Price: $190
Included:
Console
Cables
2 Controllers
Free Game
1980-
Mattel Electronics Intellivision:
Price: $299
Included:
Console
Cables
2 Controllers
Free Game
1985-
Nintendo Entertainment System:
Price: $124.99
Included:
Console
Cables
2 Controllers
Light Gun
A Fucking ROBOT!
And 2 GAMES on 1 cartridge.
1986-
Sega Master System:
Price: $199.99
Included:
Console
Cables
2 Controllers
Light Gun
3 GAMES (2 on a single cartridge, 1 hidden inside system.)
1990-
Sega Genesis:
Price: $199.99
Included:
Console
Cables
2 Controllers
1 Game
1991-
Super Nintendo:
Price: $199.99
Included:
Console
Cables
2 Controllers
1 Game
Is it just me, or does everyone feel ripped off? System that were Under $200 came with multiple controllers and a free game or two. Now we are expected to pay $250 - $600 for a system that comes with only 1 controller and no games!?! If we are lucky we might get a demo disc. Damn, the future sucks.
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"Fuck, even in the future nothing works!"
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Valdronius
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Knyte wrote: |
"Fuck, even in the future nothing works!" |
"It's irreversable"!
"Just like my rain coat"
If you ever want to trade Spaceballs quotes, it's my claim to fame that I can quote the entire movie.
But back to your point, yeah, the future sucks.
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Murdar Machene
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I haven't bought a system since the SNES deal back in 1995 where you could get donkey kong country, super mario all stars and super mario world all for like 150 bucks or something at Toys R Us. I doubt I'll ever buy another console, to be honest.
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Syd Lexia
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I don't know much it cost, but the NES package my grandparents got my brother and I included:
1 NES console
1 NES Zapper
1 Power Pad
2 Controllers (IIRC, maybe only one)
3-in-1 NES Game: Super Mario/Duck Hunt/World Class Track Meet
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Mr. Bomberman
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Just woke up...
My cousin bought the NES by Christmas '86, around that time... With the usual stuff and when he gave it to me, It had Life Force inside, and I was sucked in.
Knyte, you seemed to have forgotten the "Forgotten Hero" of the 16-bit era, the TurboGrafx-16.
I was lucky enough to be in a family that made a lot of money, so I had the TG16, Genesis, and SNES (like 3 years later)
I hate the way America did the TG16 dirty.
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Knyte
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I didn't forget the TG-16, in fact I used to own one. But, it did not really fall into my arguement, because it DID come with a free game. (Keith Courage) The problem with it was, that not only did it only come with one controller, it only came with one controller port. You had to go buy a Turbo-Tap and more controllers just to play multiplayer. Also, it ticked me off that I had to pay another $40 for the attachment that let me use the RCA ports on my TV instead of the RF.
Now that I think about it, I think Hudson and NEC may be to blame for leading the ONE controller revolution! Down with NEC!!! I hope their efforts into the Game System world fail! MUHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!
Oh wait.... they already did fail.
YAY! See, why you shouldn't get on my bad side, game companies?
Did I also mention that I got really pissed playing Shenmue, because nobody would talk to me, and if they did, they "Knew nothing about that." And, then shortly after SEGA went under in the Hardware market... Hmmmm.... I got my eye on you now, Sony! So help you, God, that the PS3 better not suck ass... Else you shall incur my wraith!
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I too have the whole movie memorized.
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Valdronius
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I grew up on a C64, but I have no idea how much it cost back in '85 or whenever it was bought. Virtually all the games I played were pirated, long before pirating was a technological buzz word. Unfortunately there were games that required info from t he instruction manual to pass certain points in the game. (Damn you Zak McKraken).
And to Knyte, if you love Spaceballs as much as I do, you'll enjoy this.
"When will then be now?"
"Soon"
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FNJ
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your pricing with the NES is fucky.
I don't remember exact prices or even care, but the one with THE FUCKING ROBOT came with only gyromite and costed more.
the one with mario/duck hunt/ and track meet came with the power pad and costed more.
there was one that came with 2 controllers, mario/duck hunt, and a zapper. thats the most common one.
there was one that originalyl came with only tw ocontrolelrs and mario, and that was teh price you listed.
oh yeah, and I was in wal mart yesterday, and I saw X box 360 systems were coming with free copies of burnout takedown. the PS3 is already doomed.
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Char Aznable
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Yeah, PS3 never had a chance. You know, Sony has suffered a 90% decrease in profits from consoles and handhelds since last year, while Nintendo has had a 60% increase in profits.
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JonSnow
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has anyone seen any wii commercials I'm getting really scared for them.. i haven't seen any commercials, and all their games, as of right now, will be made by them, meaning no third-party makers are hoping on.. and if htey get hurt on this.. it's going to hurt bad...
The wii is supposed to 2x game cube.. be great in price range, and feature many enjoyable games such as mario, various sport games, and of course BRAWL.. add that and the fact you can be physically active as you play, with plenty of child friendly, to mature games and it's a huge selling point...
Just start advertising the interactivity iwth it, adn the activeness of it on T.V. i've seen no commercials for that stuff... and all the mom's with fat kid's are like, that's the system you're getting... little timmy for christmass, no matter what you want.. i'm glad the price is good, so peoplel are more inclined to get it plus it comes with a game, but please start advertising wii... i really want you to do well... and if you do well then potentially some thirdparty people will hop on later on.. and or at least give you rights to some of the games....
anyway hopefully they saving adds for like within 3 weeks of christmass or somethign.. because they need to get their name out quick.. just so the kids can start begging their parent's for wii's.. and parents can see it, and know to atleast look at it in general...
Anyway i'm kind of a nintendo fanboy... even though it seems they may get hurt a lot with this console.. but i'm confident in nintendo, but it needs ads, and some third-party game producers.
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Knyte
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JEW wrote: |
your pricing with the NES is fucky. |
Digging further, you are indeed right. I fuckyed up my facts. There was a limited release in the US before the initial launch, where Nintendo was "testing the waters" before putting too much of an investment in a US release. The limit market NES systems were released on October 18, 1985 for $124.99. When the NES offically launched nationwide in February of 1986, the price was changed to $199.99.
In response to Valdronius:
The Commodore 64 was launched in August 1982 at a price of US$595.*
(*Note: That was for just the Computer itself, not including a Disk Drive/Cassette Drive, Monitor, or printer.)
From "History of the Commodore 64":
The C64 faced a wide range of competing home computers at its introduction in August 1982. With an impressive price point coupled with the 64's advanced hardware, it quickly out-classed many of its competitors. In the United States the greatest competitors to the C64 were the Atari 400/800, IBM PC and Apple II. The Atari 400/800 was very similar in hardware terms, but it was very expensive to build, which forced Atari to redesign their machine to be more cost effective. This resulted in the 600XL/800XL line and the transfer of their production to the Far East. The IBM PC and the now aging Apple II were no match for the C64's graphical and sound abilities, but they were very expandable with their internal expansion slots, a feature lacking in the 64.
All three machines had a standard memory configuration of 16K, 48K less RAM than the C64. At US$1,500, the IBM PC and Apple II were 3 times as expensive, while the Atari 800 cost a mere $899. One key to the C64's success was Commodore's aggressive marketing tactics, and they were quick to exploit the relative price/performance divisions between its competitors with a series of television commercials after the C64's launch in late 1982.
The C64 made an impressive debut, as recalled by Production Engineer David A. Ziembicki: "All we saw at our booth were Atari people with their mouths dropping open, saying, 'How can you do that for $595?'" The answer, as it turned out, was vertical integration; thanks to Commodore's ownership of MOS Technology's semiconductor fabrication facilities, each C64 had an estimated production cost of only $135.
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Kinda sounds like Commodore was to computers, that Nintendo is to Consoles. Most bang for the buck. Give the consumers the best expirence for the lowest cost, and make your money back in software/games.
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putting too much of an investment in a US release. The limit market NES systems were released on October 18, 1985 for $124.99. |
In New York City, where I rest, actually. As you can guess, It sold like gangbusters in the Big Apple.
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Oh wait.... they (NEC/Hudson) already did fail." |
...With the PC-FX (1994-1998), which became a cesspool of horrible erotic dating sims/horrible anime games/the like. 'cause it SUCKED when compared to the PS and Saturn, released the same year.
The Turbo line was cancelled in the US in 1995, at a joint conference between TTi, Hudson Soft, and NEC Japan in February... while in Japan it had the support of the biggest companies such as Capcom (Street Fighter 2 CE, SideArms, 1943 Kai, Ghouls and Ghosts), Konami (Gradius 1 and 2, Salamander, Parodius Da!, Detana!! TwinBee, and Tokimeki Memorial, the most popular dating sim ever-the reason why we call the genre "a dating sim", Snatcher), etc. and in the latter half of the 1990's it chugged on mainly because of... horrible erotic dating sims! In 1999, the PC Engine finally reached the grave.
I mean in 1992, with the TurboDuo, It came with SEVEN FUCKING GAMES, Ys, Bomberman, and a coupon book, and still, nobody bought it.
Just a fact.. Now back on topic.
Yes, if the Wii wants to grab every audience (little kids, teens, adults and elders), they need to have commercials that showcase interactivity with the controller (actual people playing instead of the Japanese CMs where you see someone's hand moving the Wiimote), also to show at the end:
Only $250.
This will tell the parents, or you...
"[sigh...] At least my wallet won't be empty with this thing."
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Syd Lexia
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Let us not also forget that the PC Engine had the good version of Castlevania: Dracula X as well as Parasol Stars, the "lost" sequel to Bubble Bobble and Rainbow Islands.
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FNJ
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dracula X and rondo of blood are two differnet games.
I hate when people consider dracula X a crappier version of rondo of blood.
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Check facts, JEW. Dracula X is a version of Rondo of Blood that was heavily altered for the SNES. Also, that PS3 commercial scared the shit out of me.
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I think, if Nintendo really wants to pull the Wii off in a big, big way, they need make the strongest, most concrete connection they can for every Joe Sixpack out there that this console is coming from the same people who brought them the DS. That thing did exactly what they hoped it would -- namely broadening their audience into unique directions that Sony and MS have been unwilling to open themselves up to. What this PROBABLY means, at least to a degree, is that we'll be seeing Wii versions of the software that really pushed the DS to the masses -- stuff like "Brain Age" and "Nintendogs", which I'd be fine with. I work in a Psychology lab and deal with a lot of the "games" in "Brain Age" on a daily basis, so that doesn't really interest me, but "Nintendogs" was a fun idea and my puppy and I had a happy life until I abandoned it months ago. Poor fella.
And, to be more on topic -- yeah, we're getting shafted these days. There's such a ridiculous push for "the HD era" the companies are expecting people to pay out the ass up front for the hardware and then shell out again for overpriced software later. I understand that with inflation and blah blah blah, a $60 game is practically a "steal" or something, but that doesn't translate well to the impulse purchase. I buy 360 games at a far, FAR slower pace than I do DS titles. And my PSP is almost totally homebrew now. Sony can go to hell with its asking $50 for portable games.
Besides, I wonder if it occured some of these guys that what really pushed gaming back in its earliest days was the "just one more quarter" factor. You make something that people want to play and charge a small amount for it and, well, they'll end up paying a lot to keep it going. Granted, consoles are a different realm, but hell. If a company put out a bitching console and the games were reasonably priced and of a consistently high quality, before too long I'd spend way more than was healthy keeping the library going. My 20+ DS games testify to this fact.
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JonSnow
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how successful was the DS though, compared to other hand-held systems?
Also what games on Wii are people looking foreward too????.. the only game i'm really looking at is brawl personally....
Also in wii's ads i hope they focus on their wi-fi stuff... the general public might not even know every system is wireless etc.. so showing them that would be awesome... Also I hope they have a charger for their stuff... I think the X-box 360 does have one.. so i hope the wii follows suit with that, that's not a huge selling point, but for a very small amount of money, make it a much nicer thing.. i personally already have a battery charger, and a fair amount of recharable batteries.. but eh it would be nice..
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greeneyedzeke
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JonSnow wrote: |
Also what games on Wii are people looking foreward too????.. the only game i'm really looking at is brawl personally....
Also in wii's ads i hope they focus on their wi-fi stuff... the general public might not even know every system is wireless etc.. so showing them that would be awesome... |
Well, in regards to point number one, that's the thing. The Wii is ripe for some of the "non-game" games that made the DS a hit with the not-so-average gamer crowd. As far as "typical" games go, "Brawl" looks great, and if you read my comments in the NES 100 list, you can imagine I'm a *bit* psyched for the new Zelda.  Also, "Excitetruck" looks like a lot of fun and I've heard some good things about "Red Steel" having been improved considerably since its E3 debut. "Metroid Prime: Corruption" is coming, as is a Wii version of "MK: Armageddon". "Super Mario Galaxy" looks pretty good, too. There's a DS "Dragon Quest" game that could rock. And, the Holy Grail of Wii games is the rumored-to-be-in-production "Star Wars" game that lets you use the Wiimote like a lightsaber. I'd buy TWO systems just to show my support for that idea.
And, yeah, I agree wholeheartedly that showing off the wifi stuff would be a great idea. Good obseervation. One thing, though, that they need to rectify is the whole dependence on Friend Codes. It's an unwieldy system that lacks the elegance of the XBox Live setup.
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Char Aznable
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The DS is one of the best-selling handhelds ever.
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sans777
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greeneyedzeke wrote: |
JonSnow wrote: |
Also what games on Wii are people looking foreward too????.. the only game i'm really looking at is brawl personally....
Also in wii's ads i hope they focus on their wi-fi stuff... the general public might not even know every system is wireless etc.. so showing them that would be awesome... |
Well, in regards to point number one, that's the thing. The Wii is ripe for some of the "non-game" games that made the DS a hit with the not-so-average gamer crowd. As far as "typical" games go, "Brawl" looks great, and if you read my comments in the NES 100 list, you can imagine I'm a *bit* psyched for the new Zelda. Also, "Excitetruck" looks like a lot of fun and I've heard some good things about "Red Steel" having been improved considerably since its E3 debut. "Metroid Prime: Corruption" is coming, as is a Wii version of "MK: Armageddon". "Super Mario Galaxy" looks pretty good, too. There's a DS "Dragon Quest" game that could rock. And, the Holy Grail of Wii games is the rumored-to-be-in-production "Star Wars" game that lets you use the Wiimote like a lightsaber. I'd buy TWO systems just to show my support for that idea.
And, yeah, I agree wholeheartedly that showing off the wifi stuff would be a great idea. Good obseervation. One thing, though, that they need to rectify is the whole dependence on Friend Codes. It's an unwieldy system that lacks the elegance of the XBox Live setup. |
I just read the comment about the Star Wars game, and even though I am fiercely nintendo already (even though I do own an xbox), I am totally amazed and happy if I get to lightsaber stuff. Why? because like probably everyone else, I've always secretly hoped to play with one. If that makes me a nerd, then nerds have more fun and I rule.
Anyway, I am not worried about the Wii. They DO need more ads, but the fact remains that almost every kid I've met wants the Wii over the new consumer brain eating machines. Nintendo just has the soul that other companies lack. I love video games made by all of the big 3, but Nintendo's my homeboy.
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Char Aznable
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PS3 makes your kids into soulless robot babies.
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sans777
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I would just like to point out that I turned "lightsaber" into a verb earlier. I rock.
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JonSnow
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Who plans to buy a Wii right away? Personally i'm going to be the wait and see type, and potentially buy it when brawl comes out.. but i'm worried for nintendo
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I plan to buy a Wii when it first comes out. I then plan to buy a PS3 when the price goes down, or when I can get one used. I'll probably buy an Xbox 360 when the 9th generation consoles are coming out, like I did with my Xbox last summer.
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