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Some of the best NES Games that should be on the 100 list


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JonSnow
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PostPosted: Nov 03 2006 09:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Tecmo Super Bowl, Tecmo Wrestling, Power Punch, Gun Smoke, Arkanoid, Joe and Mac, Anticipation, T&C Surf design, Super Spike V-Ball, Dodge-Ball, Solomon's Key, Werewolf, Lo-g-man, Clash at Demonhead, Kraven, Battletoads Double Dragon, (buy gear walk around, can't remember name), (some army game get car/tank, save troops), (???? walk aruond side by side), Tank (???), Star Trek (was kind of fun, i don't know some of those games i haven't played, and i didn't even get far in this game just remember it really)...

I fill in names of games i kind of put "key words in for" because i couldn't remember them... anyway you definitely missed out on some awesome games... that wrestmania was wooped by tecmo-wrestling... Tecmo super bowl was on their, but so poorly ranked.. at least blades of steel beat Ice Hokey.. some of those games are questionable, i just think a lot less questionable than some of the one's i read early on (As in 80-100) aera.. though the hire you got up the more i agreed with each one,a dn was always hoping to see some of the games, i posted above, but never could...



Granted some of those games were multiplayer, but eh, the game was still awesome assuming you had friends to play it with (who were equal playing level as you)

Some more games just thought of: Mission Impossible, and Shinger the Ruler

will update as i recall...


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PostPosted: Nov 03 2006 10:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dude, advice. Don't say you hate the article, unless you want someone to rip you a new asshole.


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PostPosted: Nov 03 2006 11:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I was excited at seeing this had a reply awww...

well maybe i do... and i don't even recall saying the word hate in the post, but if i did, oh well.. for the most part when i use hate it is in keeping with general ideas with the word... so eh... anyone any thoughts on the post ? Question


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PostPosted: Nov 03 2006 11:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Tecmo Super Bowl was on the list.

Super Dodge Ball, which is what I assume you mean by Dodge Ball, would have been good.

Battletoads & Double Dragon is a good game, but it was on Genesis and SNES as well.

JonSnow wrote:
(some army game get car/tank, save troops)

Probably Jackal. Great game. I voted for it, but it didn't make the final list.

JonSnow wrote:
wrestmania was wooped by tecmo-wrestling

Wrestlemania didn't make the list. Tecmo Wrestling is OK, I guess. There wasn't really a truly classic wrestling game for the NES. I like the WCW: Wolrd Championship Wrestling game, and Valdronius likes M.U.S.C.L.E., but neither one got enough votes to make the cut.

Joe & Mac definitely shouldn't be on the list... it was a port and it wasn't a particularly good one.

The list isn't perfect. Far from it. But it was fun to do and currently it's the only one out there. Maybe in another year and a half we'll have at it again.

There were 775 games officially released in North America and there's well over 100 worth playing. The list includes many classics, a few questionables, and some awkward placing, but it's still pretty solid.
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PostPosted: Nov 04 2006 02:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

JonSnow wrote:
Some more games just thought of: Mission Impossible...

OH, HELL NO!

"Mission: Impossible" belongs on no "best" lists, except "Best NES Games To Get Children To Develop Cynicism, Pessimism, and Depression" along with that TMNT game. Razz


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PostPosted: Nov 04 2006 05:45 am Reply with quote Back to top

I didn't enjoy one minute of mission impossible.

I agree that gunsmoke would have been a grat addition to the list htough. I always wanted to see aarthur, the bionic commando, and the cowboy from gunsmoke in marvel vs. capcom. I feel that the roster was too much street fighter and x men, and not enough obscure nostalgia characters.

then again, we did get strider and captain commando.


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. There wasn't really a truly classic wrestling game for the NES.


Right... I have suggestoin thoough... Maybe you should change the criteria instead of the 100 best, the top 100 games you'd play of NES, they're the not the same things.. because Mega man 4 was the best mega man, and 5 and 6 even if fun or whatever, were just worse version, and they take up spaces.. if your'e running uot of titles throw them in, but if i'm reading your site to know what games i should try and play, i'd probably rather, at this point in time, just play a mega man or two at most, then go on because it get's redundant, and you know if you could only play a 100 ninendo games megamam 1-6 isn't going to be on there, evne if there all fairly good, and each one say could beat any other game, you wouldn't do it just due to redundancy... but taht is up to you... just a thought... (also the best wrestling game I’ve played we’re on the NES, namely tecmo wrestling)

Also Joe and Mac was questionable, i just posted it namely because i got far in teh game, and it was difficult and fun, for me... redundant a little, i think i actually beat the game, nvm... And it was fun, as a mature player now, maybe i wouldn't go for it....

Solomon's key, some of these games aren't the best just more worthwhile (fun wise) than some of the other games (redundant) overly long maybe, eh...


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Battletoads & Double Dragon is a good game, but it was on Genesis and SNES as well.


didn't originate on the NES? it's got to be posted somehwere right, i mean if the SNES top 100 didn' tlist it because it was on the NES and the NES didn't listi t because it was on the SNES.. i mean it's a great game and much better than some other ones on there..

Also on Tecmo superbowl, there was a lot of tricks that forced you to use a bunch of plays... like the nearly auto-slide tackly... on passing plays, possible ways to stop it, strongest to switch to a running, or farther back start play...

Jackal was the game i was thinking about : )... and it definitely should be on the list, if anyone honestly wants to play whatever pick any game 90-100 it should replace it...

I'm so glad King Quest 5 WASn't on there... that game made me mad... it didn't suck suck, but i honestly wouldnt' recommend it... ending was bad, too much work... i'm mad i beat it..

and Power Punch was fun i thought... i think Mike Tyson's punchout was, maybe funner in some ways.. but power punch was more, challening, except for maybe mike tyson on punch out... my older borther beat him, but i never did.

Tecmo wresting.. you mean the game full of submissions, multiplayer game play, and you spin and throw people out of the ring, full of awesome fun tecmo wresting right? also had movie clips for super moves.... also the game with hulk hogan, andre the gain that game, should at least be replaced by tecmo wrestling.. who cares if they have cool wrestlers name, but the actual game itself tecmo was better...

Shingen the ruler was kind of fun, just really long, and cheesy ending... was fairly hard too... : )

GUN SMOKE how did that get passed up? of all the other games i listed save a few, this should defintely be on there.. fun, challengin,,, good memories with that game...

honestly i'm not in huge favor of all the game i listed but these shoudl be on there:

Gun smoke, battle toads double dragon, super dodge ball, Jackal, Tecmo Wrestling, Arkanoid (how could this not be there?), Super Spike Volley Ball, Street Fighet 2010, Mission Impossible, Anticipation

Less sure about Solomon's key, Shingen the Ruler, Lo-G-man, Werewolf, Clash at Demonhead,

least sure about: Star Trek, Kraven,

As for joe and mack persoanlly i think it's a less dynamic and worse version of little nemo... hop shoot, dodge, shoot etc...

I think a lot the game weren't on there.. is because tehy requier multiplayer to show how fun they really are, how much potential they have... i grew up with brotehrs and freinds who played NES so mutliplayers were always key, and we got pretty good at them...

Sorry interentet went dead that was just supposed to be in response to syd...

um as for other comments:

TMNT it's hard so what... you got to have some hard games on there... that'll make'em last... MI was a such a game.


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PostPosted: Nov 04 2006 05:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JonSnow wrote:

I'm so glad King Quest 5 WASn't on there... that game made me mad... it didn't suck suck, but i honestly wouldnt' recommend it... ending was bad, too much work... i'm mad i beat it..

King's Quest 5 is a good game, great even. Just not on the NES. The NES version is bastardized beyond recognition though.

As for Battletoads & Double Dragon, it was released simultaneously on the NES, the SNES, and the Genesis. So no, the NES version wasn't first. It was just a crappier version for people who didn't have a 16-bit system in 1993... which is another reason it may not have made the cut.... The Golden Age for NES games was roughly 1987-1992, with a few notable exceptions outside that timeframe. Once you get past 1992 though, the NES was pretty much dead.

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I loved the list. I just wish Hudson's Star Soldier was there.


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I considered both Star Soldier and Adventures of Dino Riki for inclusion on my personal list... I think Dino Riki made it and Star Solder didn't. I don't think anyone else voted for either though.
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For what it's worth, Battletoads and Double Dragon was my Honorable Mention. I only ever played it on the NES.
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the best version was on the genesis. I've played all three.


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PostPosted: Nov 05 2006 04:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

DarkMaze wrote:
For what it's worth, Battletoads and Double Dragon was my Honorable Mention. I only ever played it on the NES.

Thanks for reminding me... I need to finish that page.
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PostPosted: Nov 05 2006 09:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
DarkMaze wrote:
For what it's worth, Battletoads and Double Dragon was my Honorable Mention. I only ever played it on the NES.

Thanks for reminding me... I need to finish that page.

Haha, not a problem. Smile
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If it's not too much, i'd like you to go through each game listed, that you haven't covered... such as gun smoke, street fighter 2010... i also just thought of another fun game, Power Blade...

Also, i think you should seriously think chaning it from 100 best Nintendo game, to the 100 nintendo games you should play.

They sound the same, but they'll end up being significantly

Here's the List again:
Gun smoke, battle toads double dragon, super dodge ball, Jackal, Tecmo Wrestling, Arkanoid (how could this not be there?), Super Spike Volley Ball, Street Fighet 2010, Mission Impossible, Anticipation

Less sure about Solomon's key, Shingen the Ruler, Lo-G-man, Werewolf, Clash at Demonhead, Power Blade, T&C Surf Design

least sure about: Star Trek, Kraven, Battle Tank



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King's Quest 5 is a good game, great even.


As for this.. if the puzzles actually made more sense.. and the ending wasn't so cheesy, with no gratification, and there was more than one way to win.. .and not so many unintuitive ways to die, it might have been fun... if you want ta puzzle game play myst... DeJa Vu destroys king quest 5... I used to like it, it was kind of fun.. but after i played it.. i feel more dissappointed than anything..

Also I don't know if you should take into account that other systems had Battle Toads and Double Dragon..t his is the top 100 nes games.. if you don't have it on there, there should be a little list at the end, explaining why certain games weren't there, but they are extremely worthwhile to play, and then list the games and there reasons for not being on there..

You could say

27.5 Battle Toads Double Dragon: not listed on main list, due to coming out on other systems, first, and done considerably better on them, but still a great game if all you have is a nes to play them on (other systems with it include: .... )

15 Megaman 1,2,5,6 These are also great games for NES but not listsed due ot redundancy, and being merely worse version of 3, and 4... but still by themselves better than many games currently on the list

then at the end, say the number in front suggest the rating they would o have gotten/place if they were on the list...

And i think the list should be changed to top 100 nes game you should play and then have your other ones on a side list and give reasons why they aren't in the main list...

Like link 1 and link 2 shoudl be in the main list,, because they have som redundancy right, but if you could only play 100 games you should play both of those... and definitely ninja gaiden 2 should be on there... and maybe 1, 3 can be on the side list...

anyway that's my two cents.. hopefully we can stimulate some dicussion,and get some feed back... and thanks for all the feed back so far, this site seems to be a good thriving community, where I can vent all my gaming triumps, ideas, and frustrations.

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JonSnow wrote:
If it's not too much, i'd like you to go through each game listed, that you haven't covered... such as gun smoke, street fighter 2010... i also just thought of another fun game, Power Blade...

I'm not a mod, and it's not my site, but that's pretty rude. It's not the responsibility of Syd or any of the other contributors to add to or change the article merely because you think they should -- let alone write reviews of TEN MORE GAMES. Similarly, you are not Syd's editor. Or greeneyedzeke's, Valdronius's, Rycona's, Dr. Jeebus's, or mine.

You use the word "should" eight times in your most recent post. He is under no obligation to do anything. Besides, both the list and the article are done. End of story.

If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to create your own.
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I'm not demanding that he do it, i'm asking him.. why he was dismissing, or didn't respond to certain games, that i felt were fun to play.. that way we might have a more fruitful discussion.. and i'm not asking him to write a full review or anything, just a few details, of either i haven't played it, or i felt there were similar games just so much better such as "and list a game or two"...

I gave my reasons for ideas, that i thougth might be beneficial to think about, just ot stimulate thought and discussion.. I don't know about you, but i had a lot of fun with the games i listed, granted many games i listed had multiplayer replay value involed in them.. which is what made them fun.. but some games were solo that were also fun..

I took the time to read through his list, and I thought it was interesting, and had some really good games in it, that's why i thought it worth my time to share some ideas, and get some feed back.. I'm not really tryin' to have him do anything he doens't want to do, just sharing ideas, adn if he doesn't want to, that's fine, and the questions, or ideas are open to anyone, who wants to discuss them, not just syd : ).

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PostPosted: Nov 06 2006 05:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The way the ranking system worked, if a game wasn't in your top 20 or so, there was no guarantee it would end up on the list. I voted Pirates! as number 4 or 5 on my personal list, and someone else voted for it too, but it still only came in at #41 when all was said and done. Just because one person thinks a game is good, doesn't mean anyone else will. So if you consider any of the ten games mentioned above to be among your top 20 favorite NES games of all time, only then can you complain about their exclusion.


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Valdronius pretty much hit it. The list is limited by what games people on the team played, especially the games that people on the list played back in the day. After all, you tend to remember a game that you first played on an NES when you were ten more fondly than a game that you first played on an emulator in 2003.

That, and the various team members favor certain types of games over others. I touched upon this in the introduction to the article...

This list also has some known limitations. None of us have played every single game released for the NES in North America, but I have come fairly close in recent years. Since we all voted for games they actually played, the list is somewhat biased in favor of the types of games that each of us personally favored. Here are some of the known biases:

Dr. Jeebus favors puzzle games.
Valdronius and Jeebus favor strategy games.
Jeebus, greeneyedzeke, and I all played a lot of games based on movie and TV licenses.
I heavily favor games published by Capcom, Konami, Nintendo, and Taito.
Being brothers, Dr. Jeebus and I had to share an NES. As a result, we have played most of the same games.
Everyone involved favors RPGs, but I seem to like them the most.
None of us are especially huge fans of sports games.


There are a bunch of games that I wish made the final list that didn't. They include:

Jackal
Kickle Cubicle
Immortal
Gargoyle's Quest 2
Strider
Rockin' Cats
1943

And that's just the way it goes. It's not that your picks aren't necessarily worthy of the list... the team as a whole just weren't that familiar with them. That, and "best" isn't necessarily based just on quality. There are some games on the list that sold fairly poorly, such as Dragon Warrior III and Crystalis, but popularity did play a role in the voting to an extent. Take Snake's Revenge, for instance. These days it is considered the bastard child of the Metal Gear series, but back in the day it was a certified hit.
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Syd Lexia wrote:
The list is limited by what games people on the team played, especially the games that people on the list played back in the day.


I think another aspect of someone's personal master list is availability. How many of us when we were at the age of ten were even close to playing 100 NES games? I know as remote as our little town was, anyone who owned a NES was at least partially limited to about 25 games from 1989 to 1993. With three places to rent from, and at any given time they each had about 8 carts to choose from, with a few of those overlapping (all three might have SMB2, two of those might have Excitebike, etc..), being a true gamer at the time and place meant that you had played all of them, and if you'd checked the store's logs, you'd find your name multiple times on each one.

I, for instance, had never heard of Faxanadu or Wrath of the Black Manta up until three years ago. But I'll be damned if I didn't play the hell out of Friday the 13th or Bill and Ted's Excellent Video Game Adventure in my younger days. I didn't learn about Contra until about 1995, years after I had played through Super C up until we gave away *shakes fist at sky* our NES to make room for our *calms down* SNES.

Instead of looking at the bulk of this list as a "Best of" I tend to look at it as sort of a starting point on how to re-approach the NES, and the discussion of it afterwards is like "other titles you may enjoy."
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I had somewhat of advantage as to what titles I played because my mom was manager to a local video superstore that eventually became a Blockbuster once the owner secured the franchising rights. She was allowed something like two free rentals per day. Now, she didn't let us rent anywhere NEAR two games per day, but I still played more than my fair share. That, and my friends tended to have different games than me. Sure we all had Mario, Zelda, and DuckTales, but one of my friends had Predator, which I wasn't even aware existed until he pulled it out of his bag after school one day. My grandfather was also a video game enthusiast to an extent. He had a Maganovox Odyssey 2 which sat in his attic for many years despite being broken before I was old enough to walk. He was also a huge fan of the Atari 2600. We eventually got him an NES in the early 90s, and because of him, I discovered a super fun game called Palamedes.
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Between my friends and I, we had another 15 unique games that were tradable between us. But there was always that nagging feeling that one of them would erase one of your saves if the game featured that component, so we would always be at each other's houses not just to play games, but to make sure our progress was safe in the hands of others.

And then there was the one kid whose mom bought him every damn thing in existence and would never let you borrow any of his games (because he already had the ones you had and there was no even trade up at that point, plus he was a dick anyways) but you'd never get to play any of his games even when you went over there. He'd let you watch him play them, then that was about it, even with multiplayer games you couldn't get a button mash in edgewise. He wasn't necessary anal about the treatment of his games (as he'd get angry with one of them, rip it out of the console and throw it at the wall, at which point his mom would buy him a new copy), he just didn't like to let people touch anything.

Man, he was a prick. I'm gonna go stew for a bit.
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I agree there is by in large subjectivity, I think there is some common ground that people agree on that then can be used to argue for one game over another game... I think there is some small objectivity as well... but such a thing is not found in most games.. classics generally embody where people might argue taht a game is really better than another game for such and such reason.. but again for the most part it's opinion, yet people arguing based on common grounds shared throughout the gaming world.

I'm personally shocked, that Tecmo Wrestling, didn't make it on the list as well as various others.. and i realize that's also do to people not playing all the game to really have an opinion on them, which is why high selling games, may have a had a slight advantage already going for them in making the list, due to people remember them, and having a chance to play them verse low selling but great no-name games...

I was just bringing a few games to the table, that maybe if you one day wish to look at your list, can try some of the games, to experience what you think of them, if they're fun enough to beat, fun enough to play for hours etc... and if they may make the list, and I think most definitely some of the games would do so...

Which is why this thread was meant to be a discussion, offer my own thoughts, adn get feedback...

So basically the purpose here was to ask why they're not on the list, if it was an oversight to potentially consider findign a place for them or justify (with a few reasons many gamers can see the + or -'s in.) for them not being on the list..

And if it's becasue you hadn't played then maybe you might play it some time, though for some reasons the keyboard, when playing on a emulator, isn't the same as the NES playing with the controller and no option for certain things to cheat with, such as mid game saves wherever you want.

I think a lot of game may not have made the list, due to the mulitplayer nature of the game, where to really enjoy it, you had to get fairly good at it, play with someone your level, and they definitely could be really fun. Like Super Spike V'ball.

On You Tube there seems to be a fairly talented person, who might use an emulator etc... who tries to beat nintendo games really quickly and without dieing etc... we've all seen stuff like that for mario and the like... but if you don't want to play the game, you might watch their clips for a little while of the game to see if it looks fun, and if it is play it, and maybe some day well into the future it might possibly be up for stuff to put on the list.

Anyway I'm just offering games that i think would beat out some of the games currently on the list, and more importantly, games for people to try that i think they might like, to see maybe if they would want to play them, and if they might be somewhere inthe top 100 games or some such...

So anyway I was mostly hoping for feedback in general on the games, if they were played... I wasn't sure on how the selection proccess exactly went but i see how it is now.. Anyway well if you get a chance maybe youcan try and experience those games, before you ever update stuff on that list, and see if you like it : )

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PostPosted: Nov 07 2006 01:47 am Reply with quote Back to top

In the spirit of sparking discussion and not letting this thread die off... I was wondering anyone who has played some of the above games, if they want, can vioce their opininos on them, and whether you think they should probably be in the top 100 nintendo games... Also if you have games then they could be posted and discussed, i'm sure i've missed a few good games, many of my picks were on the list, so the rest of my suggestion were more like questionable, game that i felt were less questionable than those on the list currently.. i was suprised to see this game on the list "Magic of Sherizade" or however you spell it, and in fact i did enjoy that game as a kid, and i think it got in the range it shoudl be in, if it's goign to be in the top 100, I never beat it, for it's style though it was fun and engaging...

I'm really interested to hear thoughts no games i've listed, your own games, and if you want we can discuss some of the games on the current list, i think some should be bumped, and some shoudl be knocked back etc... I do like the list adn it introduced me to some new games i intend to really start playing : ).


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The article's done, it was awesome, get over it.


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