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Joined: Aug 26 2007 Posts: 2752

Seriously, I've heard nothing but hate towards both the Rep. and Dec. Maybe Ralph still wont win but he and other third partys candidates might have a shot at getting some votes, even electoral votes.

I do lean towards the left on the spectrum but i'm sick of the democrats bitching and whinning about some of the most retarded things. The republicans IMO have had 8 years and look at where the contry has ended up. I'm not saying we should be fascist or communist but lets face it, both the left and the right has been screwed up for a decade now and there is no middle ground in site to satifiy all.

The contry has become so diverse now that a black and white two party system seems ridicules now.

So, while i doubt this would happen, who thinks a third party has a shot to bag some votes this election?

Docinsano's Channel 63 · Posted: Oct 04 2008 04:53 pm

I wish Nader had a chance. I'm sick of the Good vs. Evil elections. Last election they were saying a vote for Nader was like a vote for Bush. That was sad. I really hope someday third party politics will hit the presidency. Oh yes, third parties. Reminds me of when Ventura was voted governor. Good times.

Joined: Aug 26 2007 Posts: 2752

Maybe the US is too nerves (or majority naive) to think about having a complicated three+ party system. It's pretty damn simple, you either vote for the asses or the oil guzzlers or you waste your vote and pick somebody not the first two. But the country is not that black and white anymore, has it ever since the turn of the 20th century. We have conservative democrats and liberal republicans now. We have so many political views and ideas now that in reallity there is no 'freedom of chose' it's not even an illusion anymore. You either are for the left or the right and if you have ideals and beliefs in both your going to get ostracized.

I mean look at any of the surveys on line that pull country from around the world, based on economy, living style and intellect . . . we are doing shitty . . . really shitty.

Posted: Oct 04 2008 05:04 pm

Sorry, dude's no chance.

Lesser of two evils.

Joined: Aug 26 2007 Posts: 2752

Mr. Bomberman wrote:

Sorry, dude's no chance.

Lesser of two evils.

In that case, lets get a third party that will not bullshit and just tell it like it is:

Docinsano's Channel 63 · Posted: Oct 04 2008 05:09 pm

I think there should be a law that requires four candidates to run for presidency. That way everyone is forced to have a choice. Like you said, Reeper, the spectrum of political views is very broad. There is no Black and White anymore in politics. But there's a shitload of gray, and the gray area is what nobody pays attention to.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Oct 04 2008 05:18 pm

I think a third party could have a chance.

I don't think, however, that Nader has one. It would need to be someone like Perot, who can garner a lot of support and has a ton of money. Nader's been around too long and has that "loser" stigma.

The best chance would have to be a "breakaway" from one of the main parties. Obama, for example, could have lead one hell of a third party run if he lost the nomination.

The problem is, our system just isn't set up well for 3 parties. You need a majority in the electoral college to win it (not just a plurality), and that's a lot harder to get in a 3-person race. Multiple viable candidates on a regular basis would just mean more races being decided by the House.

Docinsano's Channel 63 · Posted: Oct 04 2008 05:20 pm

I say get rid of the electoral colleges and let the people's vote decide. I don't need a middle man to vote for me, and that's what I feel the electoral college is.

Joined: Aug 13 2008 Location: Watertown, NY Posts: 131

Sure, why not a third party? Look at how well it's working in Austria. Their neo-facist Freedom party just won 18% of the popular vote. Here's a snippet from a UK article about their leader, Heinz Christian Strache:

"Strache, who has been associated with neo-Nazi militants who deny the Holocaust, according to a court ruling, and who wants a new government ministry created to manage the deportation of immigrants, wound up his campaign at the weekend by calling Muslim women who wear the burqa "female ninjas"."

Nice.

We have a two party system because the third parties we do have are filled with extremist wackos. Ralph Nader is a good man who's done some great things in politics, but he doesn't think we're smart enough not to try to stop chainsaw blades with our bare hands. And even if he was elected president, CONGRESS would still be a bi-partisan body. That's a perfect recipe for government gridlock.

What about the libertarians? Why not put a party in power whose platform advocates absolute rule by the rich and powerful? Sounds like a good idea to me. How about the Constitution party, who tried to put Pat fucking Buchanan in the White House. Hell, why not go all the way and vote for the American Nazi party? No, I'm not kidding, they're real. You can learn more about this disgusting pool of human refuse at www.americannaziparty.com

I may not enjoy the fact that the Republicans want fund massive giveaways to the ultra-rich with the devaluation of my dollar, give the internet away to the telecoms, rape the environment, wade into volatile conflicts with no reasonable plan to actually win. I can, however, count on them to protect me from criminals, demeaning government micromanagement, and bad liberal sociology.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Oct 04 2008 05:37 pm

docinsano wrote:

I say get rid of the electoral colleges and let the people's vote decide. I don't need a middle man to vote for me, and that's what I feel the electoral college is.

That's exactly what it is. We the People aren't even supposed to have a say in the President according to the Constitution. I'm all for dumping it myself.

Unfortunately, it will NEVER happen. It would require an amendment, and the electoral college is intentionally skewed to give smaller states more say than their population warrants. They aren't gonna vote to give that up.

Joined: Aug 13 2008 Location: Watertown, NY Posts: 131

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I say get rid of the electoral colleges and let the people's vote decide. I don't need a middle man to vote for me, and that's what I feel the electoral college is.

And if you want to legitimize nutcases like the ones I just described, this is the way to do it.

Docinsano's Channel 63 · Posted: Oct 04 2008 05:41 pm

Third parties filled with wackos? Please. Maybe in states where the government is corrupt it could happen but the US is diversifying and so are the politics of this country. There are more people, problems, and opinions that it seems we need a more balanced election.

Joined: Aug 26 2007 Posts: 2752

mjl1783 wrote:

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I say get rid of the electoral colleges and let the people's vote decide. I don't need a middle man to vote for me, and that's what I feel the electoral college is.

And if you want to legitimize nutcases like the ones I just described, this is the way to do it.

i do agree with MJL that the nutcases would and are ruining it for those with a lick of common sense, i don't trust the neo-cons though, the people who uses those fears you described to take advantage of the majority and milk the taxes payer for everything they are worth. It's gotten to the point where you can't trust anyone, even those who are honest.

Joined: Aug 13 2008 Location: Watertown, NY Posts: 131

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Third parties filled with wackos? Please.

"Take a hard look at (Grand Wizard of the KKK, David)Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks." - Pat Buchanan, 2000 Reform Party candidate for President

No, nothing wacko about that. Why not look at the Grand Wizard of the KKK's winning issues? Let's not forget that we're talking about a man who says we shouldn't have gone to war with Hitler when we did. Reapeat, SHOULD... NOT... HAVE... GONE... TO... WAR... WITH... HITLER.

Perhaps this is the political gray area YOU'D like to explore, I prefere these idiots stay marginalized.

And if we got rid of the electoral college, we would have national elections, which would enable these people to have actual politcal clout.

No, it's a great idea, really.

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mjl1783 wrote:

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Third parties filled with wackos? Please.

"Take a hard look at (Grand Wizard of the KKK, David)Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks." - Pat Buchanan, 2000 Reform Party candidate for President

No, nothing wacko about that. Why not look at the Grand Wizard of the KKK's winning issues? Let's not forget that we're talking about a man who says we shouldn't have gone to war with Hitler when we did. Reapeat, SHOULD... NOT... HAVE... GONE... TO... WAR... WITH... HITLER.

Perhaps this is the political gray area YOU'D like to explore, I prefere these idiots stay marginalized.

And if we got rid of the electoral college, we would have national elections, which would enable these people to have actual politcal clout.

No, it's a great idea, really.

Okay, I think hitler was the most inhuman monster that ever walked the face of the earth. Yes the nazis are the extreme side of politics that are scary as hell but there is a shade of gray that cannot be ignored:

What if a woman gets raped by a mugger? She get pregnant, the pro-life people would want her to have the kid and then she has to deal with giving the kid up or rasing it with the stigma: "this is my rape baby" then you have the pro-chose people who say she has a right to an abortion and not give birth to a kid who would have that dark background.

I do go to the left but i GET the right. I'm not say we should support the 'nazis' or 'reds' but the country should be aware that not every aspect in our lives is clean cut as TV makes it out to be. There are gray issuse, mild and extremes of all kinds, two or more sides to each idea and view and with this two party system, the US people are being forced to be ignorate of a middle ground, a place where we have to THINK and test our morallity, a place most americans seems to be to busy or afraid to even consider.

If i had it my way, extremest would be forced to hear and experience the harshness of their actions, the consequences of their views and ideas as should all on the spectrum should be given the freedom to experiences and be aware of.

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

it would be cooler if they just eliminated the whole party system and let people vote for whoever they want

Joined: Aug 13 2008 Location: Watertown, NY Posts: 131

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it would be cooler if they just eliminated the whole party system and let people vote for whoever they want

What the hell are they teaching you kids in school nowadays? You CAN vote for whoever you want. You could write in Syd Lexia if you wanted to. He probably wouldn't win, but you could vote for him.

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There are gray issuse, mild and extremes of all kinds, two or more sides to each idea and view and with this two party system, the US people are being forced to be ignorate of a middle ground, a place where we have to THINK and test our morallity, a place most americans seems to be to busy or afraid to even consider.

Actually, most Americans are pretty close to the center, whether they're D or R. It just so happens that most people who are anit-abortion happen also to be pro-war, or supply siders, or whatever. If you tell me what you think on civil rights, I've got a pretty good idea where you stand on tax policy. We didn't just arbitrarily make up the two-party system, it happened because that's the way people drifted.

If you have an economically conservative party that's pro-abortion, they'll never win because they'll alienate supply-siders, who are mostly anti-abortion. If you have a pro-gay marriage party that's pro-war, you're going to alienate civil rights proponents who are 9 times out of 10 anti-war.

If third parties displayed even a mild interest in the grey areas, I'd agree with you. The fact is, they all run on platforms that are ridiculous caricatures of left or right political views.

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UsaSatsui wrote:

I think a third party could have a chance.

I don't think, however, that Nader has one. It would need to be someone like Perot, who can garner a lot of support and has a ton of money. Nader's been around too long and has that "loser" stigma.

The best chance would have to be a "breakaway" from one of the main parties. Obama, for example, could have lead one hell of a third party run if he lost the nomination.

The problem is, our system just isn't set up well for 3 parties. You need a majority in the electoral college to win it (not just a plurality), and that's a lot harder to get in a 3-person race. Multiple viable candidates on a regular basis would just mean more races being decided by the House.

yes that

Joined: Aug 26 2007 Posts: 2752

All this political talk is making me crazy. For now, I'm just going to do what americans do when things get crazy, stare at bouncing tittys: See sig

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

Nader has no chance in hell. He looks like an action figure that got left in the oven, and is far too left for most average Democrats to vote for. Ron Paul will probably end up stealing a good amount of votes from McCain, but not enough to really get anything out of the whole ordeal.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Oct 04 2008 08:01 pm

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What the hell are they teaching you kids in school nowadays? You CAN vote for whoever you want. You could write in Syd Lexia if you wanted to. He probably wouldn't win, but you could vote for him.

Wrong. For your write-in vote to actually count, the person you are voting for must be registered as a write-in candidate. Otherwise, the vote will be recorded as "no vote".

Not to mention a vote for "Syd Lexia" wouldn't count anyways, since the vote needs to be for a real person (and not the pseudonym they use)

Joined: Feb 16 2008 Posts: 832

also i'm pretty sure unless you sign up as independent you can't do a write in.
at least that's how it is in Arizona

Posted: Oct 05 2008 02:27 am

Cynthia McKinney = batshit crazy 3rd party (Green party) candidate.

I personally find it funny that 2 of the 3 third party candidates are from my state.

Posted: Oct 05 2008 02:31 am

Nader has no chance.

Cthulhu I might vote for if Cobra Commander isn't running again.

Posted: Oct 05 2008 03:19 am

3rd paties will never win.

Republicans won't vote for them after Perot helped get Clinton elected by taking 20% of the vote.

Democrats won't vote for them because Nader blocked Gore from being elected.

"Go ahead, throw your vote away!"