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Syd Lexia
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The world may be able to survive a sixth Rocky movie, a fifth Scary Movie, and endless stream of crappy American remakes of retarded Japanese horror films, but I'm pretty sure an Arnold-less Terminator will trigger the end times.
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/
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Char Aznable
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. . .no Arnold??!!!
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DarkMaze
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Hell, even WITH Arnold, T3 was terrible. Mostow and Co. effectively raped the central theme of Cameron's first two movies. Though I feel like we've talked about that on these forums before.
Anyhoo, I can't imagine 4 will be much worse.
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Tebor
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The sale was a bit ago:
Terminator 4
Logline: Centers on a new terminator model.
Writer: John Brancato Michael Ferri
Prod. Co: Intermedia Films C-2 Pictures
Genre: Science Fiction Action
Logged: 9/24/2004
More: Sequel. C2's Mario Kassar and Andy Vajna will produce. Jonathan Mostow to possibly direct. No word yet on whether Arnold Schwarzenegger, Nick Stahl or Claire Danes will star.
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Syd Lexia
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DarkMaze wrote: |
Hell, even WITH Arnold, T3 was terrible. Mostow and Co. effectively raped the central theme of Cameron's first two movies. Though I feel like we've talked about that on these forums before. |
I liked T3. Granted, I'm an Arnold mark, but at the time of its release it was one of the best action movies in years. It was free from the MTV-style quick cuts and rock music interludes that had become annoyingly prominent at the time. And it was light years better than Matrix Reloaded, that summer's other big action movie.
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I don't know. T3 wasn't as great as the first two Terminator movies. I think the first one was the best of all of them.
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Murdar Machene
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I'm with SS on this one. I liked Arnold better as the villain. T2 to me felt more like an unsatisfying special effects jerk-off session than a solid action movie. Arnold standing there with a minigun spraying back and forth is not exciting to me. Arnold getting hit by a semi then hijacking the truck while looking totally fucked up is.
To this day I've never seen the end of T2. It has never held my interest long enough for me to finish the movie, I've fallen asleep every time.
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Char Aznable
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You don't think you have T-2 related narcolepsy?
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Tebor
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Murdar Machene wrote: |
I'm with SS on this one. I liked Arnold better as the villain. T2 to me felt more like an unsatisfying special effects jerk-off session than a solid action movie. Arnold standing there with a minigun spraying back and forth is not exciting to me. Arnold getting hit by a semi then hijacking the truck while looking totally fucked up is.
To this day I've never seen the end of T2. It has never held my interest long enough for me to finish the movie, I've fallen asleep every time. |
Wow, if this were the Sims, you'd get a big '-' sign from me.
However, I do analyze the first Terminator more than the second as a filmmaker. That's a great low budget action movie to model and learn from. However, T2 should be taught in film school about how to make a great sequel (ya know with Godfather II and all that).
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DarkMaze
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Tebor wrote: |
However, I do analyze the first Terminator more than the second as a filmmaker. That's a great low budget action movie to model and learn from. However, T2 should be taught in film school about how to make a great sequel (ya know with Godfather II and all that). |
Seconded.
Syd Lexia wrote: |
I liked T3. Granted, I'm an Arnold mark, but at the time of its release it was one of the best action movies in years. It was free from the MTV-style quick cuts and rock music interludes that had become annoyingly prominent at the time. And it was light years better than Matrix Reloaded, that summer's other big action movie. |
That's a fair point. I should probably watch it again just as an action movie and see how I feel about it. I just had a hard time dealing with how the ideology was SO different from the first two. And as such I was highly unhappy with the ending. Mind you, it would have been a GREAT ending if it was a non-Terminator movie.
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Tebor
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DarkMaze wrote: |
That's a fair point. I should probably watch it again just as an action movie and see how I feel about it. I just had a hard time dealing with how the ideology was SO different from the first two. And as such I was highly unhappy with the ending. Mind you, it would have been a GREAT ending if it was a non-Terminator movie. |
As mentioned in the other Terminator thread/discussion ( http://www.sydlexia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=807), it's hard to get over the "No Fate" theme with the third film. Basically the whole message of the second movie was thrown out and the message was "Fate Happens". But, there are clearly two different follow ups to Terminator 2... and I like to go with the "official" one.
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THIS is funny:
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0438488/board/nest/41134665
but on topic, my major two gripes with T3 were the fact taht the female terminator was stupid and unimaginative, and that basicalyl everythign about fate and fighitng the future and yadda yadda that was established in the first two moveis (moreso T2) was basically turned into " NOPE! LOL!" in the third.
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Dr. Jeebus
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Tebor wrote: |
However, I do analyze the first Terminator more than the second as a filmmaker. That's a great low budget action movie to model and learn from. However, T2 should be taught in film school about how to make a great sequel (ya know with Godfather II and all that). |
The second is also really good to teach for people learning audio postproduction. In fact, it was taught to us when I was studying to be a music engineer.
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DarkMaze
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Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
The second is also really good to teach for people learning audio postproduction. In fact, it was taught to us when I was studying to be a music engineer. |
Really? That's pretty cool. Any specific examples that you remember?
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Tebor
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Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
Tebor wrote: |
However, I do analyze the first Terminator more than the second as a filmmaker. That's a great low budget action movie to model and learn from. However, T2 should be taught in film school about how to make a great sequel (ya know with Godfather II and all that). |
The second is also really good to teach for people learning audio postproduction. In fact, it was taught to us when I was studying to be a music engineer. |
Damn right! We actually used the motorcycle/truck river chase to learn about sound editing (among other clips). The DVD had some nice featurettes on it I believe. It really is a technical marvel.
Although, "Titanic" is a much more incredible technological feat. I just like T2 better... But Cameron is THE MAN! Maybe not king of the world, but I respect the hell out of him.
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DarkMaze
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Tebor wrote: |
Damn right! We actually used the motorcycle/truck river chase to learn about sound editing (among other clips). The DVD had some nice featurettes on it I believe. It really is a technical marvel. |
Hmm... perhaps I should check that out, as sound editing is NOT my forte...
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Dr. Jeebus
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DarkMaze wrote: |
Dr. Jeebus wrote: |
The second is also really good to teach for people learning audio postproduction. In fact, it was taught to us when I was studying to be a music engineer. |
Really? That's pretty cool. Any specific examples that you remember? |
In our very first class, Intro to Sound Recording, we were shown the clip from the end (some sort of smelting factory or something. forget exactly where they are) when they kill the T-1000. We were shown a 30 second clip like 10 times and had to write down EVERY sound we heard, and we all missed like 30, lol.
Then in the Audio Post Production class, we were given a clip with the audio stripped (obviously there was no dialogue in this part), where we had to add sound back in. It was some office or something when they're running from the T-1000. He unloads like an entire pistol clip (and steps on glasses, which I recall being like an impossible noise to make), and Arnold hits in in the face with a shotgun. Good times.
If you wanna try out some audio stuff though, here was another fun project: we were given a small assortment of animal noises (there was a pig and a cat, I forget what else). We were also given like a 10 second clip of Godzilla where he was supposed to emit some sort of thunderous roar. We had to turn a pleasant cat's meow or something into Godzilla. Fun times
#edit: I didn't do this one, but another one was the fire fight in the Matrix when Neo and crew walk into some like marble building with a shitload of guns. I didn't do this one, but my roommate did. Unfortunately, in his one I could tell that he had used bowling pins to try to create the sound of marble shattering.
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DarkMaze
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Wow! The one thing I learned right away about audio post-production purely from trial and error is that pitch and speed controls are my friend. Did you have a textbook for the class, or was it all instruction- and "lab"-based?
What sucked was that there were no film production courses whatsoever where I went to college.
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Tebor
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DarkMaze wrote: |
What sucked was that there were no film production courses whatsoever where I went to college.  |
They're not all fun and games. I'm audio mixing this whole weekend as I need to get locked by Monday. Now that's fun.
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DarkMaze
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Tebor wrote: |
They're not all fun and games. I'm audio mixing this whole weekend as I need to get locked by Monday. Now that's fun.  |
Haha, oh I wasn't imagining much fun and games. Fact is, I have to do all that and more for real for "Press Start". I'm in crunch time and need to have a rough cut done by the end of December. So it's frantic prepping, shooting remaining scenes, editing, sound mixing/editing, and then sound mixing for "Bonus Levels" on top of that. Not to mention all the other coordinating with the folks who are doing CG and so forth.
I just would have preferred more pertinent college classes than Film Theory 492: Mental Masturbation for Academics.
I'm just sayin'.
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Tebor
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DarkMaze wrote: |
Tebor wrote: |
They're not all fun and games. I'm audio mixing this whole weekend as I need to get locked by Monday. Now that's fun.  |
Haha, oh I wasn't imagining much fun and games. Fact is, I have to do all that and more for real for "Press Start". I'm in crunch time and need to have a rough cut done by the end of December. So it's frantic prepping, shooting remaining scenes, editing, sound mixing/editing, and then sound mixing for "Bonus Levels" on top of that. Not to mention all the other coordinating with the folks who are doing CG and so forth. |
Trust me, that's a much better program... and you don't even get graded!
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DarkMaze
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Tebor wrote: |
Trust me, that's a much better program... and you don't even get graded!  |
Yes, there is something to be said for that...
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DarkMaze wrote: |
Wow! The one thing I learned right away about audio post-production purely from trial and error is that pitch and speed controls are my friend. Did you have a textbook for the class, or was it all instruction- and "lab"-based?
What sucked was that there were no film production courses whatsoever where I went to college.  |
Well I actually didn't make it to that class before switching majors  . The most important book that they used for the Music Engineering program though was Principles of Digital Audio by Ken Pohlman. He was our professor, and that's the book you would use ANYWHERE you took digital audio courses. Dunno if they had another book for audio post, in which case I have no idea, but that's a good book to have anyway.
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Tebor
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Tebor wrote: |
I'm audio mixing this whole weekend as I need to get locked by Monday. Now that's fun.  |
Done and done. I really f*cking hate the world at the moment though.
On the plus side, it turned out to be an amusing 80s type horror religious epic... Even though it was supposed to be a character film about a man's personal struggles! Woops...
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