SydLexia.com - The Forums :: View topic

Posted: Aug 21 2007 02:56 pm

I know that there are a couple of RP gamer here, so I have to ask; What do you guys think about the recent anouncement of Dungeons & Dragons 4.0 coming out next year?

(EDIT: Thread Renamed and Repurposed by request.)

Posted: Aug 22 2007 05:04 am

I haven't played a ton of D&D, but from what I have played I certainly like 2.0 better than 3.0, so I'm naturally iffy about 4.0.

Posted: Aug 22 2007 06:13 am

Yeah, I always preferred AD&D 2nd Edition to D&D 3rd Edition.

Of course, I no longer have the patience to play D&D anyway.

Posted: Aug 22 2007 03:06 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

Of course, I no longer have the patients to play Doctors & Diazepam anyway.

Sorry, it just sort of popped in there.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 03:15 am

I've been without internet for about two weeks so I haven't been able to look anything over it particularly.

I know they're raising the pre-epic level cap to 30.

Some of the classes will be getting the axe, though I'm pretty sure the archetypes (fighter, cleric, wizard, and rogue) will likely be safe. Same for the races.

All classes will have per-encounter and per-day abilities.

Prestige Classes will be getting the heave-ho, likely for a more simple grafting type ability akin to feats.

Feats and Skills will be streamlined.

Alignment won't be as prominent.

Vancian magic (the way spellcasting comes off mechanically like Crono Cross used) will be toned down.

The jump won't be as far from 3.5 to 4 as it was from 2 to 3. I'll probably just get the books in pdf to see for myself. I've heard it'll come with a virtual tabletop program for running encounters.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 06:08 am

D&D 3.0 rules annoyed me because you could level up a random skill just by like, running through the woods getting experience for exploring. The removal of race / class restriction also was kinda lame.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 11:00 am

The other big change, is that they are trying to incorperate digital medium with the game. So, basically, they want you to be sitting around the table playing with the pile of books, AS WELL AS, a computer sitting there.

Here's the "Teaser":

Here's the presentation:

Posted: Aug 31 2007 04:58 pm

Then wouldn't it be better to just make it a fully online MMO? Oh, wait, they already tried that with D&D Stormreach.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 05:06 pm

You don't even need books. There's probably just a CD-ROM. In a way, it kind of makes sense to do it all on a laptop.

At the same time, D&D is highly outdated. In today's world of video games, who wants to sit around and have someone tell you a story?

Posted: Aug 31 2007 09:50 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

In today's world of video games, who wants to sit around and have someone tell you a story?

How many video games allow you to piss on a beggar? Impale an annoying teammate? D&D has no limitations. That's why it survives. In D&D you can shoot your hunting dog if he laughs at you for not hitting the duck.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 10:58 pm

Valdronius wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

In today's world of video games, who wants to sit around and have someone tell you a story?

How many video games allow you to piss on a beggar? Impale an annoying teammate? D&D has no limitations. That's why it survives. In D&D you can shoot your hunting dog if he laughs at you for not hitting the duck.

You can also be bored to tears hearing the DM describe situations to you instead of having any sort of visual reference. And why is this in Toys & Stuff? This seems more like a Reading is Fun or Video Games thread.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 11:12 pm

Black Zarak wrote:

You can also be bored to tears hearing the DM describe situations to you instead of having any sort of visual reference.

Sort of like, say, a book? I believe those are still relatively popular.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 11:20 pm

Valdronius wrote:

Black Zarak wrote:

You can also be bored to tears hearing the DM describe situations to you instead of having any sort of visual reference.

Sort of like, say, a book? I believe those are still relatively popular.

Touche salesman. Still, I read constantly and am never bored by it while every single time in my life that I have ever played D&D, that has been the part that bores the hell out of me.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 11:46 pm

I don't think an official ruling was ever made, but we kinda decided at some point that board games and CCGs best fit into the Toys & Stuff category. D&D is definitely a game, and it's not a video game, so T&S is pretty much the only place to put it.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 11:49 pm

Black Zarak wrote:

Valdronius wrote:

Black Zarak wrote:

You can also be bored to tears hearing the DM describe situations to you instead of having any sort of visual reference.

Sort of like, say, a book? I believe those are still relatively popular.

Touche salesman. Still, I read constantly and am never bored by it while every single time in my life that I have ever played D&D, that has been the part that bores the hell out of me.

http://paizo.com/store/apparel/tShirts/pegasusPublishing/v5748btpy7zkz

That shirt says it all.

Posted: Aug 31 2007 11:52 pm

I've only played D&D once, but it was pretty OK. As long as your GM is pretty open and not an anal-retentive douche, it's pretty fun. For instance, when I was playing I used magic and a boot to shoebomb a castle.

Posted: Sep 01 2007 12:01 am

Rule nazis are bad.

If the DM has to spend 15 minutes flipping through books, becasue you decided to do something he didn't plan on, he sucks as a DM.

If a player questions anything a DM says, using such lines as "That's not how it works, look it up in the book!" or "I can do it, because the book says I can!"

These are people you do not want to play with. The bring the funfactor level down by about a margin of 92.

Posted: Sep 01 2007 12:05 am

I wish I could play more, but the DM we had (my friend's uncle) is now a WoW addict and never gets off the damn game. He's even neglected his friends, and there goes over half of our party. And playing D&D is pretty shitty with only 3 people.

Posted: Sep 01 2007 01:32 am

Knyte wrote:

Black Zarak wrote:

Valdronius wrote:

Black Zarak wrote:

You can also be bored to tears hearing the DM describe situations to you instead of having any sort of visual reference.

Sort of like, say, a book? I believe those are still relatively popular.

Touche salesman. Still, I read constantly and am never bored by it while every single time in my life that I have ever played D&D, that has been the part that bores the hell out of me.

http://paizo.com/store/apparel/tShirts/pegasusPublishing/v5748btpy7zkz

That shirt says it all.

Hey, I have more imagination than half this board, I just find that endless tallying of stats and rolling of dice does not a fun, immersive game make.

Posted: Sep 01 2007 01:37 am

And, you're absolutely correct. It the imagination and story telling that makes the game fun. The statistics and rules are in place to give structure and a chance to win/lose, therefore making it a "playable game."

Posted: Sep 01 2007 02:33 am

I could stick my head up a bull's ass and write a fun text Zork adventure, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

Posted: Sep 01 2007 04:07 pm

Tebor wrote:

I could stick my head up a bull's ass and write a fun text Zork adventure, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

LOL

Posted: Jan 15 2008 09:25 pm

WotC decided to upload the cartoons they've had for D&D Insider onto youtube. This one being about gnomes and tieflings trading debut books:

This one being about the beholder going solo:

Posted: Jan 16 2008 03:07 am

lordsathien wrote:

WotC decided to upload the cartoons they've had for D&D Insider onto youtube.

Wow. That was every bit as ghey as I thought it would be. I mean, that was almost DragonStrike quality.

Joined: Feb 24 2006 Posts: 2578

Funny you should mention that, Tebor...

http://blog.spoonyexperiment.com/2008/01/dragon-strike-board-game-review.html