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JoshWoodzy
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Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
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I'm glad they are finally releasing the original ending.
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JoshWoodzy
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I'm glad they are doing it, but I really hate this ending. Test audiences hated seeing everyone die, and I do as well.
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username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
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i dont know. i think it goes well w/the comedy of the movie.
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Zinja
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I think this version of the ending is hilarious. I can understand why it wouldn't test well, but it does seem to go better with the style of the movie.
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UsaSatsui
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That's actually the original ending to the play (Don't Feed The Plants).
It's not hard to see why the original ending tested so poorly - the bad guy (plant?) wins. That simply doesn't play in a comedy. Honestly, I don't like the original either, though I appreciate it now for what it is. If I had seen it for the first time way back when I was a kid, I probably would have flat-out hated the movie and never seen it again. As it is, it's one of my all time faves.
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Syd Lexia
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As it's been stated, that's the original ending.
The ending had to be changed because Frank Oz made a lot of changes from the musical. In the film, Seymour's involvement in the death of Orin and Mushnik is ambiguous. In the musical, Seymour flatout murders both of them. As Oz chose to make Seymour much more sympathetic than he was supposed to be, the original ending upset people greatly.
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Cattivo
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Cool, I never knew all about this. Seeing it as a kid, the revised ending was probably better for me.
I'll never forget Steve Martin's performance in the film, just incredible.
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AtmanRyu
Title: The Wandering Dragon
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I saw the play about two years ago. I laughed my ass off when I found out about the real ending through it.
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Fighter_McWarrior
Title: Gun of Brixton
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I've never seen in the movie, but I was in the play when I was in High School, and that's certainly the ending we played out.
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Cattivo
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Yeah, that's what I get for not attending my high school's production of the play.
I remember how badly I wanted to audition for the role of the dentist, but I simply don't have a singing voice at all, so I didn't bother.
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Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
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Really the changed ending is a testament to why test screening shouldn't be weighted too heavily in the final film.
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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Optimist With Doubts wrote: |
Really the changed ending is a testament to why test screening shouldn't be weighted too heavily in the final film. |
Why? With the new ending, the movie became a hit and everyone loved it. Releasing the old ending would have been a disaster. Even the director agrees, and really sort of nails how it's different from a play.
Interview with Frank Oz.
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David Geffen was very supportive of how Howard Ashman and I wanted to do the original ending. David said, "You can't do that, you can't kill your leads," but he supported us. Two years later, we killed our leads and the audience hated us for it. They loved those leads, because in a stage play, you kill the leads and they come out for a bow—in a movie, they don't come out for a bow, they're dead. And the audience loved those people, and they hated us for it. It got very, very, very exceedingly low scores as a result, so we had no choice but to re-shoot it. And I believed it was the right thing to do. I was unhappy that Howard and I couldn't solve how to use a million dollars worth of great B-movie shots and footage, but we had no choice. |
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Syd Lexia
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Just because people like something doesn't mean they're right to like it. People apparently "like" Michael Bay movies; they sure make a lot of money. But they're terrible movies.
Also, this wasn't an original story. It was Frank Oz re-telling someone else's story. If he failed to tell the story in such a way that people were unhappy with the intended ending, he probably did a shitty job telling the story.
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UsaSatsui
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
Just because people like something doesn't mean they're right to like it. |
It doesn't mean they're wrong to like it either.
And let's face facts, this isn't a dramatic powerhouse. submitted for Best Picture. It's a lighthearted musical comedy. Yes, it's a dark comedy underneath it all with morals and the like, but these movies aren't made for artistic merit, they're made so the people watching it will have a good time.
And also, remember it's not that that people like the new ending. It's that they hated the old one. When people come away loving 95% of your film, but the ending pissed them off enough to make them hate it, you did something very wrong.
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Syd Lexia
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UsaSatsui wrote: |
When people come away loving 95% of your film, but the ending pissed them off enough to make them hate it, you did something very wrong. |
Brazil
Blade Runner
Army of Darkness
Pretty In Pink
I Am Legend
Fatal Attraction
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Fighter_McWarrior
Title: Gun of Brixton
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Cattivo wrote: |
Yeah, that's what I get for not attending my high school's production of the play.
I remember how badly I wanted to audition for the role of the dentist, but I simply don't have a singing voice at all, so I didn't bother. |
Haha, that's awesome. I actually was the dentist in our HS play version.
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"Spanish bombs, yot' quierro y finito
Yo te querda oh ma corazón
Oh ma corazón, oh ma corazón" - The Clash, Spanish Bombs |
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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
UsaSatsui wrote: |
When people come away loving 95% of your film, but the ending pissed them off enough to make them hate it, you did something very wrong. |
Brazil
Blade Runner
Army of Darkness
Pretty In Pink
I Am Legend
Fatal Attraction |
I can list movies too. Unless that's a list of musical comedies that did terribly in test screenings because of a downer ending, had the test audiences ignored, and still went on to be successful, I don't see the relevance.
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