Klimbatize wrote:

justdrop wrote: Wait, how did we get on the subject of birth causing the condition? Death and injury due to bites is what causes it, so far. Shane wasn't bitten, and he turned zombie. That dude from the other group had his neck broken and became a zombie. There was a guy they found who hung himself, and he became a zombie. It's been established in the show for a while---it DOES NOT take a zombie bite to turn into a zombie. The only thing that we know is that death brings on the zombie condition. Could be air-borne, could be something else. Vald's question is a legit one. If a human fetus dies in utero, does it turn into a zombie while in the womb?

I imagine that it could, though you yourself had stated that it:

Klimbatize wrote:

It could be argued that the fetus has not been infected if it's an air-borne virus. It's not like fetuses get colds and flus, which are transmitted through the air.

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In terms of basic virology, the virus still gets transmitted to the blood, which is how it circulates and propagates throughout the body unless you're talking, say, an aerosol version of some sort of necrotizing pathogen, which would likely start rotting the vector ingress and portions attached, though it depends on the incubation period if there is one.

What I think bears consideration, though, is the fact that Lori became pregnant after the virus hit, when she and Shane had sex. That being the case, it's perfectly feasible the fetus could've been infected, as up until I think the third week or so, the fetus and the mother share the same blood supply; it's the same way that AIDs or the like is transmitted from mother to baby.

That said, it would really depend on the stage of fetal development as to whether or not a zombie baby could just rip right out of the womb and kill the mother a la the facehugger spawn in Alien. If there's sufficent nail/tooth growth, it could happen, although I'd think that something like that would likely trigger a delivery as the body attempts to initiate evacuation of the dead fetus inside of it (as a bodily reaction to avoid further infection via reabsorption of the necrotic/infected fetal tissue).

lordsathien wrote:

It also reminds me of the rules for vampire fetii from 2nd edition Vampire: the Masquerade. That the undead newborn would claw and devour its way out of the womb, killing the mother and then run amok.

Didn't V:TM 2ed also have vampire animals and other high weirdness, though? They really kind of toned things down in 3ed, specifically with the Time of Thin Blood book that gave a much more rational explanation as to how dhampirs could exist. Anyhow, back on target, like others, I highly doubt that they'll have Shane/Lori chestburster baby if they couldn't show Carl shooting a man in the neck. There's probably... other things, from a series of books or something, they'll have to tone down too, but this isn't the place for that.[/quote]

I wasn't crowbar'ing anything in. If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at Lasher, who made the 'big reveal' of what I'd mentioned on the previous page of this thread, sans spoilers. Also, I like the TV show and the comics; maybe I like the comics a little more, but that's my prerogative. The show's still pretty good, and I watch it regularly. You're being pretty eisegetical, but that seems to be a thing for you.

Now, here's the reason I might've inferred that they couldn't show it on AMC as it went down in the comics, besides Standards and Practices having a shit-fit over a kid murdering a living human being. Spoilers ahead!

[SPOILER:d69a2d2ccb] In the comics, Lori seeks comfort with Rick, not Shane, after some nasty shit. Shane bugs out and heads into the woods, Rick follows. Shane holds Rick up at gunpoint, saying everything would've been better if Rick 'stayed dead'. As Shane's getting ready to shoot Rick, Carl, who'd been watching this going-down, uses his gun and shoots Shane in the neck. Shane bleeds to death.[/SPOILER:d69a2d2ccb]

But, you know, I just love to troll so much...

Cattivo wrote:

Klimbatize wrote: As a fan of the TELEVISION show I think it made way more sense for Rick to be the one who killed Shane since they were at odds for the entire series so far. Having Carl kill him would have seemed very out of place. Yeah, I agree that it was best for the TV version. There had already been conflict setup between Shane & Rick. It had to be solved between them. Plus, having Carl shoot Shane's zombie version, makes at least a connection to the comic book, to satisfy those fans, at least partially. I've heard whisperings about this elsewhere (as it's been hard for me to avoid this week it seems), so I actually went seeking out this information, explaining to myself that it's ok now that Shane's story has passed in the show, like the comic. Keeping the comic spoiler rules straight is complicated...I appreciate the spoiler tags, though (even though I clicked on them this time, for a change). Regarding Standards & Practices, I remember they had to setup the shooting of Sophia specially because they said they cannot show a kid being shot on TV. I guess they got around it by camera angles, and showing Rick and his gun when he pulls the trigger. Perhaps there's some connection to this then?

I try with the comics/series differences, I really do, sorry to anyone who was upset I screwed the pooch there a little. By and large, I think we're pretty much onto the reasoning as to why things went down the way they did on the show. Honestly, I thought it was fitting too, at least in the context of the TV series. I'm really interested in seeing what happens next on the show. I also like to think that in most cases, the acting's starting to improve as the actors fall into the character "grooves". I am also staring to like Daryl. That's about all I have to say on the show, probably until next Sunday three hours after most of you have already watched it.

Valdronius wrote:

Lasher wrote: It pissed me off how they heard the gun shot killing zombie Shane but were too far away to hear the gunshot from the night before taking out Dale. Not to mention the fact that Shane's gun went off when Rick stabbed him, but it took Carl's gunshot to really screw the pooch.

You ever hear a friend who's a teacher or a parent complain that kids don't pay attention? It's because they, like zombies, have selective hearing (in addition to both being listless unless they want something and wearing ripped-up clothes). Also, they all need to stay the fuck off of my lawn.