Criss wrote: |
Alowishus wrote: |
The problem with this is that the Metallica fanbase are one of the worst fanbases of all time and this i can say with absolute certainty this will get shit on by them.
If Metallica release an album and it isn't like their first three albums it gets shit on.
Black album - gets shit on - derp ballad songs
Load - gets shit on - boohoo they cut their hair, not metal
Reload - shit on - see above
St. Anger - definitely shit on - shitty drums, where's the solos cause it's lyk dur metal.
Even fucking Death Magnetic which was a sort of revival of the old style is shit on. You would think that after 20 fucking years Metallica fans might realise that they aren't going to make another MoP or RtL. |
Maybe if Black/Load/Reload/Death combined had half the quality of the music on Kill-Justice, then I'd be a fan of those albums.
Hell, you could compare them to Megadeth, as Megadeth went through similar "commercial" periods, and imo Megadeth did (and still do) blow Metallica away. |
You see this is the thing. You may not like the songs but they aren't bad records. Every Metallica record is overall good, even St. Anger - not as a Metallica record per se but as a metal record it is a great album.
However all Metallica albums i personally think have bad songs on them and have the "half quality songs" on them you mention.
Like you can compare say Load to Ride the Lightning.
Load has Ain't my Bitch, 2x4, Until it Sleeps, King Nothing - all really good songs. Load was their longest record at the time so it does have more filler on it compared to their other records.
Ride the Lightning is not a perfect record. Trapped under Ice and Escape are pretty mediocre songs.
Kill 'em All is the same. I personally think that songs like Phantom Lord and No Remorse are pretty mediocre as well.
...and the thing with these songs is these are the songs the fans never go on about. It's always "oh yeah! master of puppets is sweet", it's never "oh my god trapped under ice kicks so much ass".
So in that respect they are hardly perfect records and the fans just ignore it. Those albums have total shit on them as well and they totally disregard it. So the claims that the later albums have poor songs on them is total shit because the early albums have total shit on them too.
The problem with the fans of these sort of bands, be it Metallica, Slayer or Megadeth is that they latch onto one thing - fast, thrash, heavy songs. Then they just want every album to be that. For a band to progress they have to change musical style, and as we have seen their tastes/influences change over time so they won't make those same records.
Maybe Slayer is an odd exception, because they sort of have good songs but they sort of make very similar records. They have the catchy riff songs like South of Heaven, Dittohead, Raining Blood or whatever and then they have songs which are literally just boring semitone down, open string shredded songs which all sound the same with lyrics about death or some shit.
EDIT: and as for Megadeth...
In a just world, Metallica would be better. Take for example my experience with Megadeth. They are at least in Ireland a virtual unknown to everyone apart from metal fans.
If i go to a pub/club and Metallica comes on they go "oh Enter Sandman or oh Master of Puppets".
If Megadeth comes on they go "what the fuck is this shit".
IMO Megadeth have less good songs and poorer overall albums. They to me are one of those bands that release albums and then just play a greatest hits set on tour with total disregard for the new album - i.e. they just tour to make money - like AC/DC, Van Halen etc.
I don't really listen to Megadeth all that much but i own a few of their albums and they overall are mediocre albums. The fact that Megadeth is just the "Dave Mustaine show" doesn't really help either. The constant change is lineup isn't doing them any favours.
Take Peace sells.
Wake up Dead is great, i ain't superstitious is great then others are just boring songs. I know Peace sells the song is meant to be a sort of fan favorite. Here is the song in a nutshell.
Crap bassline opens, then boring chugchugchugchug riff, then a random solo for no reason, then chugchugchug, random solo, then sort of speeds up then the end.
The songs aren't bad songs by any means but they just aren't great songs and their other albums i feel are the same to this. They just don't make the sort of radio songs that Metallica make, not to say all Metallica songs are radio songs but Metallica were world superstars after the Black album and they are the songs that attracted a larger audience to them, Megadeth have no songs that do this and that is why they are doomed to semi-obscurity.
Finally to illustrate my point let's compare two set lists from Megadeth just to show that they make 1-2 hit songs from their albums and then the rest is just disregarded.
Here is a set list 2011: September:
Trust
Hangar 18
She-Wolf
Public Enemy No. 1
Head Crusher
A Tout Le Monde
Sweating Bullets
Symphony of Destruction
Peace Sells
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
Now here is one from 2005:
Blackmail The Universe
Set The World Afire
Hangar 18
The Scorpion
Wake Up Dead
In My Darkest Hour
She-Wolf
Something That I'm Not
Angry Again
A Tout Le Monde
Die Dead Enough
Trust
Kick The Chair
Skin o' My Teeth
Return To Hangar
Back In The Day
Sweating Bullets
Tornado of Souls
Symphony of Destruction
Rattlehead
Peace Sells
Encore:
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
Something look familiar? Basically all the songs from the 2011 set were played in the 2005 set...
but wait a second? Didn't Megadeth release FOUR albums between 2005 and 2011? Yes they did....but wait...Megadeth are supposed to be good and all their albums are supposed to be amazing... so where are the songs from those albums? Why are they not on the set lists? If they were that great of albums they would be playing the songs....right?
This is my point. Those albums are not good albums and this is just two set lists. I could pick any other set list and the point is still true.
1998:
Intro
Holy Wars... The Punishment Due
In My Darkest Hour
FFF
Sin
Reckoning Day
A Secret Place
Angry Again
She-Wolf
Guitar Solo
(Marty Friedman)
A Tout Le Monde
I'll Get Even
Use The Man
Trust
Almost Honest
Sweating Bullets
Symphony of Destruction
Peace Sells
Anarchy in the U.K.
(Sex Pistols cover)
Mechanix
Look same songs again cropping up and in 2011 it wasn't even a festival, ten song set. They just have a selection of about 10-20 good songs over the space of 13 albums which they just play to death but the rest of the material is trash or in the case of the last 2 sets, they have to play some of the songs because they are touring on the back of an album then just never play the songs again.
I don't hate Megadeth or anything, i'm not a Metallica fan boy or anything, i don't even listen to Metallica that much anymore but the set lists show my point, so i guess it's true.
EDIT2:
Just looked at Megadeths greatest hits album, i lold hard. Check out the set lists above then look at this tracklist.
1. Holy Wars...The Punishment Due
2. In My Darkest Hour
3. Peace Sells
4. Sweating Bullets
5. Angry Again
6. A Tout Le Monde
7. Trust
8. Kill The King
9. Symphony Of Destruction
10. Mechanix (2002 Remix)
11. Train Of Consequences
12. Wake Up Dead
13. Hangar 18
14. Dread And The Fugitive Mind
15. Skin O' My Teeth
16. She-Wolf
17. Prince Of Darkness
Look familiar?