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Knyte
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SoldierHawk
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Frankly, I'd blame the military and the government for being stupid, and trying to pretend that women aren't in combat, even as they award them CIBs and combat decorations.
Still, given the regs that women can't be in combat MOSes, I don't blame developers for not having women in, say, Modern Warfare--that's a (kind of) realistic, modern-set game where you're dealing with SAS and Ranger troops. It bugs a little more in America's Army...I was always annoyed I couldn't play as a woman there. (I know you're "supposed" to be infantry in that game, but we all know its a giant recruiting tool, so what gives, Army?)
I do appreciate military stores set in the future that allow you to play a woman (like Mass Effect, say.) It really does bug, if only slightly, to be forced to play a gender you aren't in a fairly open-ended story.
Oh well. Some day. (Btw if you are interested in the issue, the New York Times article that Kotaku links to is quite good.)
That said, I already loathe EA with the burning, burning passion of a thousand suns for their ridiculous account and DRM shit. So this is another line on the list of why I hate them, just on general principle.
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Ash Burton
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Why would they? Women do not serve in combat roles in the armed forces, and for good reason. If they are trying to create a sort of "realism" with these games, then why would there be a female amongst a unit of combat Marines or soldiers? It just doesn't happen. If the game took place as a supply unit, or a motor t company, then yes, I guess you could throw a couple of female pixels in there. Bottom line, women can't fight. Well, that's what Jim Webb tells me.
http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/mediapolitics/2182.html
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Ash is probably just home humping his SNES collection.
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SoldierHawk
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| Ash Burton wrote: |
Why would they? Women do not serve in combat roles in the armed forces, and for good reason. If they are trying to create a sort of "realism" with these games, then why would there be a female amongst a unit of combat Marines or soldiers? It just doesn't happen. If the game took place as a supply unit, or a motor t company, then yes, I guess you could throw a couple of female pixels in there. Bottom line, women can't fight. Well, that's what Jim Webb tells me.
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Well, I think part of the issue is that Battlefield, from what I understand, isn't a game that's exactly striving for realism. Like I said, I totally get why there'er no women in a Modern Warfare type game, but when the game is sci-fi/fantasy, even a military one, its nice to have the option. The issue of actual women in actual combat roles is a whole other can of worms, but at the very least, a fantastical game, I do like to be able to play as my own gender. For what that's worth.
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Syd Lexia
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I want an alternate reality MMO FPS warfare game that takes place during the American Civil War and everyone is a girl. You can either join the Union Army under the command of Ursula S. Grant or the Confederate Army under the command of Roberta Lee.
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SoldierHawk
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| I want an alternate reality MMO FPS warfare game that takes place during the American Civil War and everyone is a girl. You can either join the Union Army under the command of Ursula S. Grant or the Confederate Army under the command of Roberta Lee. |
Okay, but only of Ursula gets to be a purple skinned half octopus.
Bam! Little Mermaid reference ftw!!!
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Ice2SeeYou
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| I want an alternate reality MMO FPS warfare game that takes place during the American Civil War and everyone is a girl. You can either join the Union Army under the command of Ursula S. Grant or the Confederate Army under the command of Roberta Lee. |
+ the gatling gun fires Susan B Anthony dollars
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Milhouse
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"Get out and take your Sacagawea dollars with you. I’ll give ya till the count of three. One. (GUNSHOTS)" - Moe Syzlak
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Ice2SeeYou
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| "Get out and take your Sacagawea dollars with you. I’ll give ya till the count of three. One. (GUNSHOTS)" - Moe Syzlak |
If you're gonna beat up my friend in my bar, there's a 2 drink minimum.
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Knyte
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Thinking about Syd's comment. Imagine if Joss Wheden made a wargame. It would be nothing but superhuman super girls and cowering, nerdy men hiding behind them.
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JRA
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In all seriousness, I always thought it was because capture and torture of female troops implies rape. I mean, you could argue the same thing about male soldier torture, but thats kept on the waaaay down low.
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Shut up, Dorn
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I wonder if they'll be a lawsuit somewhere down the line on this subject.
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Zephyr_Arsland
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Metal Gear Online, though technically not a WARGAME, has women soldiers shooting other women soldiers. I mean, the player's free to create a female avatar if so he/she chooses.
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Ice2SeeYou
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| Zephyr_Arsland wrote: |
| Metal Gear Online, though technically not a WARGAME, has women soldiers shooting other women soldiers. I mean, the player's free to create a female avatar if so he/she chooses. |
And MGS, way back on the PS1, had a scene where Meryl gets shot repeatedly by a sniper who is trying to draw Snake out of cover.
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and dont women consistently get higher sniper scores?
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Knyte
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| and dont women consistently get higher sniper scores? |
Probably has to do with woman generally having more patience then men.
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Slayer1
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Kojjiro!
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| I want an alternate reality MMO FPS warfare game that takes place during the American Civil War and everyone is a girl. You can either join the Union Army under the command of Ursula S. Grant or the Confederate Army under the command of Roberta Lee. |
it'll be a hetalia version of the civil war
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Greg the White
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| and dont women consistently get higher sniper scores? |
The Russians caught on to that decades ago, where they made all-female sniper groups. I think there have been 2 CoD games with women in the Russian campaigns, but both models looked exactly the same.
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I can guarantee that the instant a major company tries to put female characters into a realistic wargame, some group will fly right up their ass about it.
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| Zephyr_Arsland wrote: |
| Metal Gear Online, though technically not a WARGAME, has women soldiers shooting other women soldiers. I mean, the player's free to create a female avatar if so he/she chooses. |
You have to buy an expansion pack first. I believe its $10. I think you ought to be able to at least change your character into a female if the storyline permits (Obviously you couldn't be a woman in a WWII FPS). Hell, you probably won't even have to alter any visuals to change the player character's gender, just have different grunts and groans for the females.
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Zephyr_Arsland
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| Zephyr_Arsland wrote: |
| Metal Gear Online, though technically not a WARGAME, has women soldiers shooting other women soldiers. I mean, the player's free to create a female avatar if so he/she chooses. |
You have to buy an expansion pack first. I believe its $10. I think you ought to be able to at least change your character into a female if the storyline permits (Obviously you couldn't be a woman in a WWII FPS). Hell, you probably won't even have to alter any visuals to change the player character's gender, just have different grunts and groans for the females. |
Yep, it's the GENE expansion pack that includes some maps and the ability to play as Meryl. They later included Mei Ling too.
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Knyte
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If I recall, the Rainbow Six series has had females in it for some time. Same with Ghost Recon I think.
But, technically they are Scf-fi, since they are based in the near future. But, if Tom Clancy says women should be able to fight in Special Forces group, I believe him.
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Godofhardcore
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| I want an alternate reality MMO FPS warfare game that takes place during the American Civil War and everyone is a girl. You can either join the Union Army under the command of Ursula S. Grant or the Confederate Army under the command of Roberta Lee. |
They also need to have Size E breasts
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