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I have been reading it all over the web today. It sounds something like this:

Mozilla wrote:

Booohooo... Micro$oft has done it again, they bundled IE8 with Windows 7 RC1.

Lets fucking shit our pants and bitch to the world!!!

Mozilla, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP WHINING!!! Firefox and Chrome are both better browsers for the home user... who gives a FUCK if MS bundles IE? More to the point, how the FUCK would average end users get an alternative browser without a native one?

I am sick of this argument. MS built the OS, they could choose to do whatever the fuck they want with it because it isn't LINUX! If you need fairness, go play with another OS that is all about fair. Oh wait, none of them survive because they are written by people who are too geeky to relate to the rest of the world.

Microsoft is doing the world a favor by bundling a fucking browser in their OS.

It is almost as bad as the argument that MS shouldn't make an Antivirus Product. REALLY???? We should allow people to hack our machines unless we pay another company because it would be more fair?

I don't give a fuck if Symantec goes out of business because Windows becomes more secure. It should have been that way to start.

Europe, shut up and stop bitching, it isn't unfair... In fact, the majority of hackers are from over on your side of the world because you can't get your law enforcement shit together.

Gah... this shit is beyond fucking stupid.

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Posted: May 07 2009 05:06 pm

I have had the chance to switch to Firefox and Chrome like a million times, yet I prefer Internet Explorer and always have. IE6 sort of sucked, I admit that, yet IE7 has been really good overall and IE8 is still in its early stages so its still too early to judge it.

I am a big time computer guy with a pretty powerful rig yet FireFox iritates me with its insane RAM usage ever since 1.0.0. It's not a bad browser besides that because of its cool plugins, but IE just runs things more smoothly I have noticed.

People who are stupid with their browsing are the ones who get viruses and they blame the browser, cough (IE,Windows,MS).I dont use a virus scanner or firewall because there is no need to if you know what your doing.

Posted: May 07 2009 07:08 pm

This has been a monopoly/unfair point since Windows 95 came with Internet Explorer and Netscape threw a fit.

How come nobody bitches that OSX comes with a built in internet browser?

Also on the Symantec point: I have always wondered if alot of the viruses and malware are made by the anti-virus and anti-malware companies? I mean, are there really that many people who sit around all day trying to come up with ways to fuck up other people's computers? Really? Why?

Adware and Spyware are used by marketing companies. I get that, it makes sense.

But why make a virus that just forces Mr. Smith down the street to have to reformat and reinstall his computer? What's the point?

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Knyte wrote:

But why make a virus that just forces Mr. Smith down the street to have to reformat and reinstall his computer? What's the point?

Because chances Mr. Smith doesn't know what adware is, and he won't know where it's coming from, so he can't change his future purchases accordingly. It's win-win for the marketing companies.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: May 07 2009 07:42 pm

While I think most of this is BAAAAAAAAAW!, wasn't Microsoft at one point tinkering with Windows to make it screw with other, non-Microsoft products?

Posted: May 07 2009 08:14 pm

Greg the White wrote:

Knyte wrote:

But why make a virus that just forces Mr. Smith down the street to have to reformat and reinstall his computer? What's the point?

Because chances Mr. Smith doesn't know what adware is, and he won't know where it's coming from, so he can't change his future purchases accordingly. It's win-win for the marketing companies.

I think he was referring to purely malicious viruses that do nothing but harm your computer, and asking why anyone would bother making those.

The answer, I think, is somewhere between "because they can" and "because they are ginormus assholes."

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How would a regular computer use get ANY fucking web browser onto their system if the system didn't come with IE?

Should the OS ship with multiple browsers installed? Ok, then which ones? Oh, well guess what, I want MS to put "GPFontaine Browser" on, or it isn't fair!!! I am suing!!!

MS needs to put a fucking browser to make their product work. But beyond that, they have the right to because they made the underlying subsystem.

The only thing MS does not have the right to do is code their OS to intentionally block one company or another without reason. In other words it would be wrong for them to code something that just stops anyone with the name Doc Insano from making a antivirus. Though, that should probably be an exception for the betterment of society.

Posted: May 07 2009 10:26 pm

I agree, it is their OS they should be able to bundle it with whatever programs they want. I personally don't use IE but I've had to use it to be able to download Firefox. Now I have an external drive with all my files on it including the Firefox installer but before that I had to use IE to be able to download Firefox.

Posted: May 07 2009 11:45 pm

As long as "add-ons" are infact just that, then there is no right to bitch.

What I mean is, you don't have to install IE when you install Windows. It is a "component", and not required to be present for the OS to work. Don't like IE? Then go to Settings / Control Panel / Add/Remove Programs, click on "Add/Remove Windows Components" and uncheck it. Now it's gone. Same with Windows Messenger, Window Defender, etc.

As long as these extras are not a part of the Core OS's system files, and are required for to be present for the OS to function, then Microsoft is not doing anything wrong be including them.

If anyone won a suit against Windows for this, it would impact everything. Pretty soon you couldn't send text messages on your cell phones without having to purchase a seperate "Instant Messenger" program, because they would forbidden from giving you one with the phone's firmware.

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For me IE loads and runs faster. I only use firefox when I'm using chatzilla

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Knyte wrote:

As long as "add-ons" are infact just that, then there is no right to bitch.

What I mean is, you don't have to install IE when you install Windows. It is a "component", and not required to be present for the OS to work. Don't like IE? Then go to Settings / Control Panel / Add/Remove Programs, click on "Add/Remove Windows Components" and uncheck it. Now it's gone. Same with Windows Messenger, Window Defender, etc.

As long as these extras are not a part of the Core OS's system files, and are required for to be present for the OS to function, then Microsoft is not doing anything wrong be including them.

If anyone won a suit against Windows for this, it would impact everything. Pretty soon you couldn't send text messages on your cell phones without having to purchase a seperate "Instant Messenger" program, because they would forbidden from giving you one with the phone's firmware.

Why should it matter? Who gives a fuck if it is a core component. If they want to make a web browser that IS the fucking OS, GREAT, good for them. La de fucking da. I just don't see why we need to care. They allow competing browsers. They allow people to put icons wherever the fuck they want. They allow for all products to be registered as the default. Why can't they make their software the way that they think is best?

Posted: May 10 2009 09:46 am

Interestingly, I've read that Microsoft may be forced to package Safari, Firefox, Chrome or others into W7 when it releases in Europe due to anti-monopoly laws or something vaguely along those lines.

Source: http://w7info.com/articles/2009/01/windows-7-bundled-with-firefox-chrome-or-safari/

Posted: May 10 2009 11:03 am

GPFontaine wrote:

Oh, well guess what, I want MS to put "GPFontaine Browser" on, or it isn't fair!!! I am suing!!!

This.

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I am surprised that MS has put up with the EU bullshit this long.

Actually I am more surprised that the EU has chosen to continue buying MS products.

Either way, why not force the EU to buy an American version of the software and then offer them language pack updates. Would be nice to tax the shit out of them and gain back some value on our dollar.

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So the news has been all about MS finally not including IE8 with Windows 7. They simply removed it from the OS.

Well... how do you get a fucking browser now if you don't have one already?
http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/web/how-do-you-get-a-browser-without-a-browser--607945?src=rss&attr=all
They offer 4 solutions that are all dumb as fuck.

Even now Opera is mad because Microsoft won't include a list of browsers to choose from and would rather offer no browsers than competing ones.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10262913-56.html

Well, it serves all of you mother fucking whining sons of bitches right! Why would your competition offer your product? EVER?

I applaud Microsoft for removing the browser completely and giving the EU and other browsers the finger. Welcome to capitalism you fucking idiots.

On a side note:
Firefox is a better browser for home use and is projected to have a higher user base than IE without getting a direct download button on Windows. Of course it will take years before this happens (Projections put it out at around 5 years).

Posted: Jun 12 2009 10:10 am

I like IE, also I think is totally reasonable that it cames with Windows.
Actually I've never herd someone bitch about it, I guess it has to be someone with a real grouch against MS, because I mean, shees, if you don't like its browser you can always get another one........that if you decide to use Windows, you also have that option....

Posted: Jun 12 2009 10:31 am

I'd be happy with using IE if it fucking got it's CSS rendering right. Ever wonder why some websites block IE completely? Well, aside from the obvious security vulnerabilities, there are numerous problems with CSS in IE that other browsers somehow don't have. I mean, 20/100 on Acid3 is really fucking lame. The rest of the internet uses normal CSS standards that are meant to be viewed in browsers that normally support them, so instead of bitching about your inferior product getting it's ass plastered all over the place because "Acid3 does not map to the goal of Internet Explorer 8", download a better browser already.

Plus, I'm tired of spending extra hours of frankensteining my CSS so it looks good on IE. You know how hard it is to code a website that conforms to IE's idiotic standards and at the same time looks good on normal browsers? That's a lot.

IE should stay, but Microsoft should stop acting like children and improve their CSS rendering.

Oh, and don't even get me started on ActiveX.

GPF - want some ritalin?

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Nekkoru wrote:

GPF - want some ritalin?

Ritalin would help me focus, but it won't stop me from obsessing.

Posted: Jun 12 2009 02:44 pm

Why is this an issue to begin with? Are the other browser companies losing money because of IE?

Ummm... Let see:

Opera = Free
Firefox = Free
Chrome = Free

So the answer is no. What the fuck are they complaining about then? "WAHHHHH!!! Nobody is going to use our free products if Microsoft gives a free product too!!!"

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Knyte wrote:

Why is this an issue to begin with? Are the other browser companies losing money because of IE?

Ummm... Let see:

Opera = Free
Firefox = Free
Chrome = Free

So the answer is no. What the fuck are they complaining about then? "WAHHHHH!!! Nobody is going to use our free products if Microsoft gives a free product too!!!"

God Knyte, you just don't understand. They want the choice. It is all about the freedom of the choice... I can't even pretend to sarcastically argue the devil's advocate point of view. There is no reasonable explanation as to why MS is targeted over this issue. Target them for not standardizing word processing documents file formats, not for bundling a fucking web browser.

Posted: Jun 12 2009 11:34 pm

Is IE8 still going to be available as an optional download through Windows Update?

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Syd Lexia wrote:

Is IE8 still going to be available as an optional download through Windows Update?

Outside of the EU, yes. Not sure what they will do there.

Posted: Jun 17 2009 01:27 am

It's like someone complaining that their car came with regular tires when they wanted to put on some performance ones. You can still remove those tires and put the new ones on, just like you can remove IE and put whatever browser suits you best on your machine. Curse Netscape for opening the floodgate on this whiny stupidity.

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Char Aznable wrote:

It's like someone complaining that their car came with regular tires when they wanted to put on some performance ones. You can still remove those tires and put the new ones on, just like you can remove IE and put whatever browser suits you best on your machine. Curse Netscape for opening the floodgate on this whiny stupidity.

This isn't Netscape's fault. This is the EU trying to capitalize on an American company.

Pick one of these companies instead please!
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2008/europe/