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anorexorcist
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Since the paranormal thread, I was inspired to post about this.
I am incredibly interested in cryptozoology. Creatures that are no accepted by science as being a real thing, but creatures that may exist. Like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.
All of the different mythical creatures that may exist, may have at one point and a small population having survived to present time, are very interesting to me.
Anyone else have this interest?
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JStrangiato
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When I was middle school, there was this book on a bunch of cryptozooligical critters, like the aforementioned Bigfoot, Nessie, plus Mothman, dragons and a few others I can't remember. At the time, I really dug it, and I'll look up information on Nessie every once in a while. Recently I borrowed the works of H.P. Lovecraft from a friend and I obviously skipped to the Call of Cthulu. I suppose you could call Cthulu a modern cryptozooligical being. Or not, because it clearly couldn't exist due being invented as a work of fiction.
Also, Glen Benton from Deicide swears he saw Bigfoot. True story.
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anorexorcist
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Being a work of fiction doesn't mean it can't be "real". Look at scientology.
I have a link to the Call of Cthulu story, I will probably read it soon. Is it worth reading?
I'm very interested in Champ of Lake Champlain, it's a fairy close lake, well closer then the Loch Ness.
I can't find much on it, but I want to research the Lake Erie Monster, their is an AHL hockey team named after it and I believe there have been some sightings of it. I can get to a part of Lake Erie in an hour to a couple hour drive so I really hope more info comes out on it.
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Dude, I so totally share that interest.
Loch Ness has always fascinated me. One of my prize possessions is a rock I personally picked up from under the water of the loch on its shore. I didn't see anything that day sadly, but just being there was an experience in and of itself. (And the commercial exploitation of Nessie, may I add, was completely depressing. Fuck tourists, even if I was one.) I don't quite understand how a dinosaur (because I kind of think that's what she is) could survive for so long. Maybe there's a population, and they breed? Only logical explanation, to me. The monster each person sees doesn't have to be the SAME one, after all.
I think a Bigfoot type is completely logical too. We never have found the final missing link between man and ape, and I see no reason why one couldn't be running around. How he stays hidden baffles me, but then we discover new species every day, so *shrug*. The only thing I question is what he's doing in fricking Oregon and Canada. Africa would be the place I would assume you'd find something like that. Still, never fucking question Native American legends. They know their shit. (As do the Buddhist monks and sherpas who talk about Abominable Snowmen in the Himalayas).
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anorexorcist
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I would guess that since a lot of Bigfoot sightings occur in Norther regions or mountainous cold regions that they could be deep in forrests near mountains in the Northwest Territories, Alaska and the Yukon, maybe Nunavit as well, possibly in the arctic circle where we have yet to explore.
I mean, if the duck billed platypus is real, then any of this shit could be.
The only thing about Nessie is that a lot of it stems from that one photograph, all of the sightings seem to have come after that and the photo has been proven a hoax, so who knows about that one now.
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SoldierHawk
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| anorexorcist wrote: |
I would guess that since a lot of Bigfoot sightings occur in Norther regions or mountainous cold regions that they could be deep in forrests near mountains in the Northwest Territories, Alaska and the Yukon, maybe Nunavit as well, possibly in the arctic circle where we have yet to explore.
I mean, if the duck billed platypus is real, then any of this shit could be.
The only thing about Nessie is that a lot of it stems from that one photograph, all of the sightings seem to have come after that and the photo has been proven a hoax, so who knows about that one now. |
Yeah, I guess that's true. I guess I just have a lot of Nessie because she's the original, true or not  That other lake that was mentioned though...that sounds pretty interesting.
Duckbills are weird, aren't they lol? Not to mention those frigging tube worms and other animals that live on the way bottom of the ocean, on the deep sea vents? Un-freaking real. After I learned about that, I realized that I could never, ever dismiss anything out of hand again.
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JStrangiato
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| anorexorcist wrote: |
| I have a link to the Call of Cthulu story, I will probably read it soon. Is it worth reading? |
Does the Pope shit in the woods? Hell YEAH it's worth reading! I advise you to read it right now, before you go to bed.
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Ah, that reminds me--can you post the link? I haven't read that story in forever, and my Lovecraft is currently on loan to an asshat who thinks "yeah check this book out" means, "here is a free gift from me to you."
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anorexorcist
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The website that had it and many many others seems to ha ve been shut down  now I will have to track it down I guess, or endlessly search google. FUCK.
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Ah, nuts. No worries then--I can search google myself. I just thought if you had it immediately handy it would be nice.
*sigh* jerks and their websites lol.
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anorexorcist
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If you find a link, please post it, I'll post it if I find it. Not Sure if there is one out there but I'm hoping.
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Tyop
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| SoldierHawk wrote: |
| I think a Bigfoot type is completely logical too. We never have found the final missing link between man and ape, and I see no reason why one couldn't be running around. |
First of all there is no missing link between man and ape. We have plenty of fossils that document the evolution from ape to man. Second even if there was a Bigfoot running around somewhere – and since there's absolutely no evidence for it, there's no reason to believe this – he wouldn't represent a missing link between man and ape anyway. Similar to homo neanderthalensis he would be of a different species or subspecies that branched off from our line of the tree at some point in the past and went on another evolutionary path from there. He couldn't link us to our own ancestors.
Also here's The Call of Cthulhu. Lovecraft is awesome.
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| I think a Bigfoot type is completely logical too. We never have found the final missing link between man and ape, and I see no reason why one couldn't be running around. |
First of all there is no missing link between man and ape. We have plenty of fossils that document the evolution from ape to man. Second even if there was a Bigfoot running around somewhere – and since there's absolutely no evidence for it, there's no reason to believe this – he wouldn't represent a missing link between man and ape anyway. Similar to homo neanderthalensis he would be of a different species or subspecies that branched off from our line of the tree at some point in the past and went on another evolutionary path from there. He couldn't link us to our own ancestors.
Also here's The Call of Cthulhu. Lovecraft is awesome. |
Hey, thanks for the link! Been way too long since I've read that.
But when did they close the hominid gap? As far as I know (unless it happened while I was sleeping or something), there are still two major breaks in the fossil record. I remember back in 2004 some Swiss or Norwegian or Spanish (or something) team thought they had found something that fit the bill, but it ended up being a lot older than they thought. I mean, maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention, but...
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Yeah, those gaps are still there. I think the gap you're talking about was the one 14-4 mya. But there's no single final missing link that we need to find. There are just bigger and smaller gaps. Once you close one gap you create two new ones, so you always have "missing links". The reason scientists are more eager to find some transitional fossils is because they can learn more from those fossils than others, not because that fossil is necessarily needed to link two other fossils. But I think we're talking more semantics here, not actual disagreement. Besides Bigfoot certainly wouldn't fit into any of those gaps.
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Cryptozoology is fucking cool. I recently read this book called "The Book of Imaginary Beings" by some famous Science Fiction writer. I didn't get to finish it, but it was really good. It had all sorts of mythological creatures in it and would have a few paragraphs about what it looked like, where it was from, who believed in it, etc.
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Yeah, those gaps are still there. I think the gap you're talking about was the one 14-4 mya. But there's no single final missing link that we need to find. There are just bigger and smaller gaps. Once you close one gap you create two new ones, so you always have "missing links". The reason scientists are more eager to find some transitional fossils is because they can learn more from those fossils than others, not because that fossil is necessarily needed to link two other fossils. But I think we're talking more semantics here, not actual disagreement. Besides Bigfoot certainly wouldn't fit into any of those gaps.  |
Even if it was disagreement it would be cool, but I think you're right on there.
Still. We won't *really* know Bigfoot's not the one til someone asks him, right?  (I kid. I kid.)
Huh. That got me thinking, though. Since there's no way (or almost no way) that ALL of those weird mythological creatures could be real even if SOME of them are...I wonder why humans invent them? Some of it is pure misunderstanding no doubt (like when Europeans first encountered Komodo Dragons, etc). What psychological need does it fill? Why do we need to imagine these things? Its not like religion really, which ostensibly explains the workings of the world. This is *creating* more unknowns. Weird.
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MouthForWar
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I have the same interest. I spent hours and hours reading up about cryptids. I also have an interest in the paranormal too. It's all very fascinating. I've actually experienced the paranormal in my grandmother's house, in which she says that strange things happen frequently. Hearing footsteps up and down the stairs, closing doors and severe temperture drops are among the strange things that happen almost every night. She tells me that they are good ghosts and that they protect the house when she and my grandfather are away. It's weird because my whole life I was wanting to experience something and I always would walk down the hallway and go into dark rooms, just so I could but I have finally realized that things happen with a blank mind. I completely didn't expect it to happen, when it did, nor did I even think about something happening and it seriously spooked the shit out of me. Anyone experienced anything paranormal in their life?
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Haha! I just saw it. I'm bad at this sometimes.
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