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Tebor
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Ugh, enough with the superhero shows... What am I saying!?
Aquaman is the latest superhero pilot to come along, but unlike NBC's Heroes, it did not get picked up. Because money was spent on it, The WB has released it on iTunes for $1.99. Making it the first show they carried that never aired.
The show switches titles from "Aquaman" to "Mercy Reef" almost weekly, but it is indeed about the King of Atlantis before he becomes the most joked about JL member. It's from the producers of Smallville and given the same treatment. There's an overlasting show mythology, semi-star studded/hot-young cast, a coming of age message, and of course superhero action.
Naturally, I had to check it out. I doubt anyone else here will pay-to-watch so I'll sum up my obviously biased thoughts.
It's a good pilot, but it doesn't hold up quite like the Smallville pilot did. I admit, I know jackshit about Aquaman. I make fun of him constantly and I've only read two issues of his comic in my life. But the show does make me interested in him. He's been exiled from Atlantis (existing in the Bermuda Triangle) and doesn't know his heritage. It's up to badass Ving Rhames to teach him. Hands down, Ving is the reason to watch the pilot and he's the reason to watch week after week. A.C. (Aquaman's human name) works at a boat shop with his obvious potential love inteterest, Eva. There's a subplot involving a government agency investigating the triangle and another female pilot whose past is not explained in the pilot, but whose life is saved by Aquaman (ala Lex Luthor, perhaps?).
I should mention that because this show takes place with a young cast in Florida, there is plenty of skin to be shown. I'm sure that alone would keep the male audience interested. But isn't that also the case with the OC?
The actual plot of the episode is a Siren discovering that Orin (Aquaman's ocean name) is hiding on land and she has to kill him (btw, The Siren is played by Adrianne Palicki who also played Supergirl on Smallville). It's a rather small monster-of-the-week appearance, but the first Smallville villain wasn't much cooler either.
By the end of the show we know:
The government knows something is going on in Mercy Reef.
The pilot might remember that AC used special powers to rescue her.
Eva knows about AC's destiny and possibly his powers.
Ving Rhames is going to mentor AC.
AC and his father, Lou Diamond Phillips, have an estranged relationship.
Atlantis is under oppression and Aquaman is their symbol of hope.
There's potential for a good series here, but it's missing that hook that Smallville had. I refer to the Clark/Lex relationship. Part of the fun of Smallville is knowing how the show will end and the journey to get there keeps the audience watching. Not to mention Lex Luthor is an interesting enough character to have his own show. Aquaman misses its appeal of a sympathetic villain. However, I'm not saying that Aquaman should have this element to it, but that this was the factor that separated Smallville from other shows. Aquaman is missing a hook to get it separated from other shows like Dark Angel, Blade, or even The Dead Zone.
Unless your curious about what this show is, or you're just a big Aquaman fan, I wouldn't recommend the pilot. Don't invest the time to try to understand a show that might never happen. It's interesting though, I give them that. If it does return as a midseason replacement show, I'll be watching.
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Syd Lexia
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If Lou Diamond Phillips is his father, does that mean Aquaman is hispanic?
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DarkMaze
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I saw the trailer for the pilot, and it looked pretty lame (except, admittedly, for Ving Rhames). But then, I completely detest Smallville, and anything resembling it already has several strikes against it.
And because Aquaman is lame.
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Tebor
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Syd Lexia wrote: |
If Lou Diamond Phillips is his father, does that mean Aquaman is hispanic? |
Technically, he's just a legal guardian. His biological father was "killed" (meaning will show up later in the series) back in Atlantis.
And granted Aquaman gets shit on daily the world over. I do know one Aquaman supporter who says Aquaman's powers are not limited to the sea. He also has superior strength and protective skin on land due to his ability to survive in even the deepest of waters. His favorite arguement is that Earth is a majority of water and there's a lot of shit happening under the sea.
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S. McCracken
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As many of the people I hang out with on a daily basis will attest, I hate Smallville. No, I don't think comic book people are losers, and I wouldn't necessarily abstain from watching a show that has...variances between the storyline of its origin and the televised version. But Smallville takes the fucking cake for a show that shouldn't even be in the same breath as Superman. They should just call it "Random Superhero X from Outer Space". I used to spout forth my hatred from a distance, preferring to poke fun and malice at the show without watching it. But a while back I watched a good amount of the older episodes on ABC Family and then started watching the new episodes on the WB. And holy shit is it bad. I'm not saying bad as in unwatchable if it were about some kid from outer space who came to Earth WHO WASN'T SUPERMAN and dealth with all sorts of zany problems involving pretty people in stupid situations...with sexy results.
But it is in fact about Superman, down to the trite red-and-blue ensembles he wears and people who are named after people in the comic. But that's about it. I understand the need to have a storyline and a plethora of villains, but they're so fucking LAME. I didn't know that everyone in Smallville would turn into super-people after the meteor shower; that's an interesting fact they left out of EVERY COMIC EVER. And the fact that a new one (and ONLY one) appears every week or so is so, like, totally coincidental. And it's funny that the whole point of Kryptonite is that it does nothing to humans but kills Superman, and yet everyone and their mothers (and sisters, and buyfriends, and babysitters,...) seems to have this reaction that mutates them. I call bullshit. And I also think it's sad that Clark Kent handily defeats all of these people whose powers are solely based on the ONE THING IN THE WORLD THAT CAN KILL HIM.
Throw into the mix the sad gathering of morons Superman has on the show, starting with his dad on the show. Jonathan Kent dies of a heart attack after fighting with Lex Luthor's dad in his barn and winning a seat in the Senate.
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Digest that for a moment, and then add in the fact that he was running against Lex himself for the seat, and that the seat ultimately goes to Martha Kent after the election. No no, it gets better. Martha's chief of staff? LOIS FUCKING LANE, who is the cousin of one of Clark's friends. Are you kidding me? I want to vomit blood into my own mouth when I even begin to think about this.
In conclusion, the show itself is harmless fun if the objective is to pretend you know nothing about Superman and want to be distracted by the beautiful people, the acting of the men who play Lex and his dad, and the complete non-entity of a plot that is closed neatly every week by Lex's money, the change of heart (voluntarily or not) of the bad guy du jour, or Clark simply stating "I don't think (he/she/they/it) will be bothering us anymore." If you are a fan of Superman, then I can't imagine why you would watch this show. It's for retards, the children of retards, and the elderly who leave it on in their hospital rooms to speed up the dying process.
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Tebor
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S. McCracken wrote: |
As many of the people I hang out with on a daily basis will attest, I hate Smallville...
(edit - to save room)
...It's for retards, the children of retards, and the elderly who leave it on in their hospital rooms to speed up the dying process. |
Wow! LOL. That was fun to read
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DarkMaze
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Tebor wrote: |
S. McCracken wrote: |
As many of the people I hang out with on a daily basis will attest, I hate Smallville...
(edit - to save room)
...It's for retards, the children of retards, and the elderly who leave it on in their hospital rooms to speed up the dying process. |
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Agreed! Spanky, you put it better than I could have.
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S. McCracken
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No problem, it's a passion I guess. Whether I'm talking about my hatred of things or writing scathing reviews about those things, I don't know.
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Tebor
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S. McCracken wrote: |
No problem, it's a passion I guess. Whether I'm talking about my hatred of things or writing scathing reviews about those things, I don't know. |
Well, at least the world will never run out of acrimonious elucidations.
Just keep an eye on the pink slime level underneath New York
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DarkMaze
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They should have made "Aquaman" a cautionary tale about drugs and called it "Mercy Reefer Madness."
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DarkMaze wrote: |
They should have made "Aquaman" a cautionary tale about drugs and called it "Mercy Reefer Madness." |
Crumbles upon himself like a neutron star from the massively terrible pun.
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FNJ
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aquaman dropped a whale on namor during the DC vs Marvel series.
all sins forgiven.
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Tebor
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JEW wrote: |
aquaman dropped a whale on namor during the DC vs Marvel series.
all sins forgiven. |
But they're the same person... just with different religious preferences. Shouldn't they turn into a large jell-o mass and fall apart when they touch?
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Namor can fly, Aquaman has a hook for a hand (and later on a hand made of magic water)
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Murdar Machene
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Tebor wrote: |
JEW wrote: |
aquaman dropped a whale on namor during the DC vs Marvel series.
all sins forgiven. |
But they're the same person... just with different religious preferences. Shouldn't they turn into a large jell-o mass and fall apart when they touch? |
Namor isn't like Aquaman at all, Namor is a boring uptight loser and Aquaman was actually pretty funny and cool (when Peter David wrote it).
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FNJ
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dude, namor is a flying mister spock in a green speedo.
aquaman is like some kind of underwater viking that shoots lasers form his trident and has a hook arm.
A HOOK ARM DUDE!
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Tebor
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DarkMaze wrote: |
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Smallville is shit, absolutely no question there. |
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I recall you saying you haven't watched the show. I also remember you agreeing that the series was better than that silly, fanfic "Returns" movie.
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I don't think that was me. I haven't watched Smallville in a long while, but I've seen a number of episodes. And I'll gladly take Superman Returns over Smallville, but it's still not a great flick.
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Tebor
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DarkMaze wrote: |
I don't think that was me. I haven't watched Smallville in a long while, but I've seen a number of episodes. And I'll gladly take Superman Returns over Smallville, but it's still not a great flick. |
*barf*
I can overlook not watching the show, but to prefer a film that has nothing to do with The Man of Steel and encourages immoral behavior is just complete and utter atrocious uncultivated nonsense.
Any Antisemitism I have in me is directly responsible because of Bryan Singer. I'll leave the screenwriters out of it, because after reading the script I saw that they addressed issues Singer ignored.
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Tebor
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While researching Spider-Man demographic numbers, I came across this old article:
http://www.ejumpcut.org/currentissue/SmallvilleFans/fans2.html
Despite how dated it reads, it's a pretty nice breakdown of the other side of television culture and marketing, even for you critics of "Smallville" and "Spider-Man"
Though looking at the show's changes from first season to the current, I have to say they've gotten away from what the show used to be. Music is cut down to about two songs per episode, gone are the "moral of the week" (for the most part), and the show focuses more on serial story telling than switching like the X-Files.
Looking at the original WB strategy:
1. pursue a young audience;
2. draw upon the cultural capital of a character associated with both American-ness and comic book fandom;
3. encourage the active participatory culture of both these groups by extending the text of the show into familiar formats of fandom.
1. I think "Smallville" current is less friendly to new younger watchers. Instead, the show has decided to mature for fans who started watching in 2001. As I didn't join the show until 2006, I felt there was an obvious shift in audience while I crammed 4 seasons in two months. If a 13 year old watched the last new episode for example, I think they'd be less excited about it than they would have had they seen the Bug episode of season one. This is only taking into account energy and presentation, not writing.
2. This is still very much around. There's a sense of new mythology integrating with existing history. Episodes are in television structure, but follow plot points closer to a comic book rather than "Brothers & Sisters". Same is true for "Heroes" and "Lost".
3. I'm not 100% sure what #3 means except that they wanted viewers to obsess about the show. Whether they post online about it, form groups, write fan fiction, read the comics, and/or read the novelizations. I'd argue every show wants to have this kind of connection with its audience. I know I'm more excited about a show that is a little more complicated than standard shows and I actually enjoy taking "notes". Again, same is true for "Heroes" and especially "Lost".
"24" is much more 'action of the week' than super plotted, but still cashes in on fan participation. It makes fans want to predict what will happen. And, as a super fan, makes us want to read the books, comics, and buy the video games.
I've lost focus of what I started this post about, but the original point was that article above is a real interesting read.
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Douche McCallister
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You still watching the current Smallville season, is it good so far? I missed some in the middle so I stopped watching it as not to spoil anything.
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Tebor
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Douche McCallister wrote: |
You still watching the current Smallville season, is it good so far? I missed some in the middle so I stopped watching it as not to spoil anything. |
Where'd you stop?
My breakdown of the season:
Started fairly well...
( 601-604)
Then it really started to go down in quality...
(605-610)
Then it got really, really good
(611-615)
Now it's in the "end of the season" kind of arc mode, which starts back up this week for the final five episodes of the season)
(616-622)
So is it good? The first half of the season is really saved single handedly by Green Arrow, but after the JLA episode it got much, much better. The Lana story arc has its moments, the Chloe arc is awesome, Clark's arc is a little unfocused this year each episode depending on whether he's trying to avoid or save Lana that episode. They also introduced what I think will be a key arc for next season, which I think is amazing. Let's just say MMH...
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Wish I could watch it, but I don't want to come in with all that going on. Guess I'll have to wait til November to get the DVD set. Martian Man Hunter will be cool.
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Tebor
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Douche McCallister wrote: |
Martian Man Hunter will be cool. |
They say Clark's real training will come into play next season, which is what I'm excited for.
Plus, Green Arrow this season has really won me over for bringing in other DC characters.
Oh, and semi-spoiler, Michael Rosenbaum's been saying that the Lex arc will wrap up next season so he can leave the show. If the show does get an eighth season, the lack of Lex could really open the door for a more world prospective than just Clark vs. Lex... or the show will fall apart. One or the other.
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I know they mentioned Gotham City in an episode, it would awesome to see Batman make a cameo. Michael is one of my favorite characters. I wonder if he wants to leave the show so he can pursue more homosexual cross-dressing parts in movies.
Can't wait til I can Watch it all unfold.
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