Sometimes, a video game does something...unfair. It'll "break the rules". It'll change the way the game has been played. It'll require you to solve a puzzle so bizarre there's just no way you could do it without a hint. Or maybe it'll just decide to tell you, "Fuck you!" and trap you or kill you.

These are Bullshit Video Game Moments.

My goal in this thread: to compile a list of moments in video games where the games just stopped playing fair. Only two rules.

1) It must be intentional, and clearly intentional. Glitches, or even possible glitches, do not count.

2) If the entire point of the game is to create bullshit moments, it's disqualified. It's not breaking the rules, it tells you right away there are no rules. Think I Wanna Be The Guy.

Anyways, here are my submissions:

X-Men (Genesis). The classic one, where you have to "Reset the computer" in the game by...hitting Reset on the Genesis. Note that not every Genesis has a reset button on it...

Space Channel 5 Pt. 2 (DC/PS2). You watch the credits roll. Right after they end...they throw in one last command. I've heard that happens in the first game too, but I'm still stuck at -that- game's Bullshit Moment (it reverses the commands).

Monster Party (NES). Let's start this stage out by going left. Of course.

King's Quest V (PC). Okay, sure, KQ games might fall under disqualifier #2 in general with the obtuse puzzles, random death, and the ability to completely screw yourself with no way to get back. But this game wins extra points because of the random copy protection spots in the game. By letting you play through to a random place until it makes you dig for your code book and your little red lens to see it, the game is just being a dick to you (of course, you can just get the codes online nowadays, but that's besides the point.

And here's the list of...

Things Officially Considered Bullshit

*Having to reset the console to continue (X-Men)

*Continued game play after the credits without warning (Space Channel 5 )

*Placing vital locations to the left or right of the start point when the game has not scrolled in that direction yet (Monster Party)

*Copy protection that lets you play part of the game. (King's Quest V)

*Being required to shake the Wii Nunchuck in response to an onscreen trigger (Prince of Persia, Star Wars: Force Unleashed)

*Completely unfair AI in racing games that make it nearly impossible to win (Mario Kart Wii, F-Zero GX)

*Flat stretches of land where you die if you go too many screens (King's Quest V)

*Opening a treasure chest early in the game deprives you of a much better item later, with no warning whatsoever (Final Fiantasy VI, Final Fantasy XII)

*Battles you are required to lose (Pretty much any Square RPG).

*Getting to a boss and having no weapon that can damage it, and no way to go back to get it (Ghosts n Goblins)

*Requiring you to do something in a game to avoid dying or being sent back a long ways, and giving you no warning (Lunar: Silver Star Story)

*Backwards Warping (Renegade, SMB Lost Levels)

*Requiring information included in the manual or other pack-in items to progress and not telling the player it will be necessary (StarTropics).

As the Official Arbitrary Arbiter of Bullshit, I make these determinations:

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It's newer than the other ones, but in Resident Evil 4, The Verdugor fight is Bullshitty. You have an almost completely invincible enemy, you're trapped in a room with him for 4 minutes, and one Liquid Nitrogen tank, (which is the only way to hurt him), and if you don't kill him on the first freeze, you're pretty much screwed because he's invincible when not frozen. Also, the 2 Garradors in the room full of monks, and killing the monks alerts the garradors to your position, along with running and shooting. Being that running and shooting are THE ONLY WAYS TO BE GOOD AT THIS GAME, it gets kinda hard. Also, I forgot to mention, when they're "alert to your position", they STAB YOU IN THE BRAIN.

Not Bullshit, unless this kind of difficulty is unique in the game. "Hard" doesn't mean "Bullshit". If the game tells you it's gonna kick your ass, no complaining when it does.

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Any Wii game where you need to shake the nunchuck or remote at a specific time based on a visual queue on the screen.

Bullshit.

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Would it be against your rules to mention the "Rubber-Band AI" in Mario Kart Wii? I was just curious, because in order to unlock some of the material in that game, you had to get a certain ranking or higher in the Mario Grand Prix, and anytime you're in first place, the computer players bombard the hell out of you with Spiny Shells.

Bullshit only if you can't do it to them, or if they just randomly pick up an infinite number of these. Otherwise, it's fair play.

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Actually, I might also mention the fact that not everything is unlocked simply by completing the cups in Mario Grand Prix.

Not Bullshit. But pretty dumb.

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In Ratchet Deadlocked, some of the Landstalker Challenges are impossible, even on 2 star (out of 5) difficulty. Mainly the rail shooter ones where you don't control the tank, just the turrets, and have to get a certain score.

Not Bullshit. Again, Hard isn't Bullshit. [/quote].

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In Kangaroo for the Atari 2600, there is literally no way to advance past the second level. Seriously. It doesn't let you climb the ladder to the exit.

Not Bullshit. Seems like it's a glitch.

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In Silent Hlll: Homecoming, it's almost impossible to kill a Schism without using the shotgun.

Not Bullshit.

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It probably doesn't count, but I feel like mentioning it anyway. F-Zero GX easily had some of the most self-esteem dropping and overall hellish A.I. I have ever seen. Seriously, I dare you to try and at least get in the top six in one race in one cup on Master difficulty in Grand Prix mode. The A.I. makes the bullcrap A.I. in Mario Kart Wii look like pussies. It almost forces you to master snake-dashing in order to actually have a chance at winning one race against super CPUs with infinite turbo, super acceleration, and fast as hell turns.(I seriously actually saw one A.I. go in-and-out between close together mines while racing in the Grand Prix in Story Mode on EASY)

Tough to call. I'm gonna say Bullshit, because this game is notoriously unfair after the first few races.

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The worst was during that one period in the 90's where about 80% of Point-and-click adventure games (and a good amount of RPG's) always featured those guess-your-way desert/tundra sections where you'd die after crossing too many screens.

I did mention King's Quest V already. And yes, Bullshit.

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Ghosts and Goblins.

Not Bullshit. Just very hard.

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Any game that requires you to lose at any point without telling you. It doesn't really break the game, but you end up using a shit load of healing items.

Bullshit

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Oh, and in Killer7 when you face Curtis Blackburn. How the fuck are you suppose to know that you need to shot him when the bird flies off his shoulder. The first five or six times I just tried to pump him full of lead until I was able to find a guide.

Couldn't you find out by -not- shooting him for a while and seeing what he does? That's what I do when I find my shots are having no effect. So, Not Bullshit.

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Final Fantasy XII (PS2) I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Zodiac Spear (one of the best weapons in the game). Either you use GameFAQs or a guide to know which 4 chests to not open and get it somewhat early in the game, or you deal with a .1% chance of finding it in a hard area of the game, provided you have a certain item equipped.

Bullshit (and by the way, which 4?). This also always pissed me off about FFVI, so I'm adding that in too.

I'm gonna change the opening post of this thread a bit to incorporate some of this stuff.

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I mentioned this before in another post but Lunar The Silver Star Story. If you just keep going up the stair you will die. If you didn't save after Ghaleon be prepared to fight your way back to the end.

Can you elaborate on this?

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2.) One of the chests in Rabanastre Palace; SE corner of the cellars.

Fuck.