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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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Yeah,
I'm talking about irresponsible drug pushing fucktards who could give two shits about making the world a better place for those who need help.
You might say, "GPFontaine... calm down... what are you talking about?"
I'm talking about the fucking worst type of scum. The people who claim they are there to help, but really only want to help themselves. These people fuck everyone over. They rip off insurance companies, they rip off their patients, and they sell their souls to the devil himself.
I speak directly about psychiatrists who do not practice therapy methods.
The guy you see once a month who hands you a prescription and takes your insurance money. Well... fuck you.
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I need a new doctor. I have been living in CT now for 3 months and have not been able to find someone who does OCD/ADD as a combo. They all claim they are open for new patients. But the second you tell them that you think regular therapy is important along with meds, they want nothing to do with it. They just want to prescribe the meds, make their money and go home.
How about this, form two lines. The doctors who aren't jerking me around wasting my time and the ones who can go and suck their own genitals. If you don't have time to do your fucking job, don't list yourself in the directory. If you can't handle ADD and OCD, don't list them as your specialty.
I'm not asking for much. Just a doctor who will actually try and help. It is a medical fucking situation... I don't exactly have tons of people to go ask. Take that fucking SPAM elsewhere!
The worst part is that the money for this is no fucking joke. Co-Pay + Insurance at my last doctor was $230 per 50 minute session.
I wouldn't be pissed if they actually couldn't help. It is the fact that they know they don't want to, yet they raise there hands to try and get me to just take the meds.
GAH!
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
Joined: Jan 08 2008
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Yeah, I don't trust doctors anymore. I didn't read all of your post, but I understand it for the most part. I think that medication is not always the best answer. Some may need the meds, but I maintain that doctors need to pay more attention to multiple medicated patients especially. Some patients may not even need meds. For example, I often see ads for depression meds that have a checklist and if you have 3 or more symptoms you may have depression. You know what I'm talking about? Anyways, this leads everyone to believe they are depressed, go to the doc, and get put on some bullshit meds.
One fucked up thing I've been noticing are walk-in clinics. These places are a double-edged sword. The good side is that you can get in and out fast, without waiting long, get your medicine and get out fairly inexpensively. The bad side is that you can get medicine easily. The docs there aren't the greatest docs out there so you could fake a back strain and get your fix of hydrocodone or whatever. Of course, it would cost money, but it seems fairly easy to get that kind of shit from those places....
Take it easy, GP, doctors will only get worse before they get better. For now, we will all have to deal with this shit. Or we could collaborate together, round up a posse and get them sons of bitches!!!!
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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Well... I might go black market. I have a lot of extra pain killers. I'll trade them for some Effexor. I figure I'll save myself some money and be my own Dr. I know more about what I need than some Dr. who won't even meet with me.
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Ice2SeeYou
Title: Sexual Tyrannosaurus
Joined: Sep 28 2008
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When I can't stop figitin' I just takes me ritalin.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
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Probable Muppet
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Thankfully I don't have to take any medications. However I am hopelessly addicted to Rockstars. I buy 2 in the morning on my way to work and 4 on the way home for $3.00 a piece.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
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| Thankfully I don't have to take any medications. However I am hopelessly addicted to Rockstars. I buy 2 in the morning on my way to work and 4 on the way home for $3.00 a piece. |
I'd be careful with those energy drinks, they aren't all that good for you. The human body doesn't need half that shit they pump into them. I drink Energy Vitamin Water or drink Yerba Mate tea or coffee for my caffeine buzz. However the increase in the popularity in energy drinks and energy shots (and other "energy" type products) concerns me a bit....
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Probable Muppet
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| docinsano wrote: |
| Probable Muppet wrote: |
| Thankfully I don't have to take any medications. However I am hopelessly addicted to Rockstars. I buy 2 in the morning on my way to work and 4 on the way home for $3.00 a piece. |
I'd be careful with those energy drinks, they aren't all that good for you. The human body doesn't need half that shit they pump into them. I drink Energy Vitamin Water or drink Yerba Mate tea or coffee for my caffeine buzz. However the increase in the popularity in energy drinks and energy shots (and other "energy" type products) concerns me a bit.... |
At this point in my addiction, I have little choice. It is no longer up to me, the machine elves have completely taken over.
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Ross Rifle
Title: Rock N Roll God
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I told my doctor I thought I might have OCD, and we had a good talk about it, and he said that I did have a mild form of it. His prescription?
Watch that Jack Nicholson movie where he has OCD and get a girlfriend.
No stupid drugs, no gypsy magic, he just told me to learn to live with it and avoid stressful situations.
Godd ol' Dr. Ho.
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mjl1783
Joined: Aug 13 2008
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| I'm talking about the fucking worst type of scum. The people who claim they are there to help, but really only want to help themselves. These people fuck everyone over. They rip off insurance companies, they rip off their patients, and they sell their souls to the devil himself |
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Rip off insurance companies my ass. Psychiatrists recieve less reimbursement from insurance companies for talk therapy sessions than they do for an equivalent amount of time spent doling out prescriptions. It's not cheap being a doctor, student loans and malpractice insurance have to get paid, you have to attend all kinds of seminars to stay current on the latest industry developments, and you have to pay staff to keep records and make sure your patients' insurance companies aren't screwing them over. So,if you're looking for someone to blame, blame the insurance companies.
On the other hand, how can you really blame the insurance companies? After all, it's easier to prove the efficacy of medication in treating disorders like ADD and OCD than that of traditional therapy. Besides, if these are in fact chronic ailments, then patients will likely require therapy for most of their life, which is expensive. Health insurance is, after all, just socialized medicine on a smaller scale. If some of your customers are using expensive services that all of your customers are essentially paying for, that's increases the cost for everyone.
Our health care system is one of the best in the world, but it's a fucking mess. If you have enough money to pay everything out of pocket or don't require much care, you're in good shape. If you have to rely on private insurance or medicare/medicaid, however, thing's aren't so great. You simply cannot have any type of system where the healthy subsidize the care of the sick and not run into these kind of problems. Everybody has to be protected, and in the process, people tend to get screwed over from time to time. This time it happens to be you. Sorry, man, I know this sort of thing is tough, but we've yet to figure out a suitable alternative.
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GPFontaine
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| I'm talking about the fucking worst type of scum. The people who claim they are there to help, but really only want to help themselves. These people fuck everyone over. They rip off insurance companies, they rip off their patients, and they sell their souls to the devil himself |
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Rip off insurance companies my ass. Psychiatrists recieve less reimbursement from insurance companies for talk therapy sessions than they do for an equivalent amount of time spent doling out prescriptions. It's not cheap being a doctor, student loans and malpractice insurance have to get paid, you have to attend all kinds of seminars to stay current on the latest industry developments, and you have to pay staff to keep records and make sure your patients' insurance companies aren't screwing them over. So,if you're looking for someone to blame, blame the insurance companies.
On the other hand, how can you really blame the insurance companies? After all, it's easier to prove the efficacy of medication in treating disorders like ADD and OCD than that of traditional therapy. Besides, if these are in fact chronic ailments, then patients will likely require therapy for most of their life, which is expensive. Health insurance is, after all, just socialized medicine on a smaller scale. If some of your customers are using expensive services that all of your customers are essentially paying for, that's increases the cost for everyone.
Our health care system is one of the best in the world, but it's a fucking mess. If you have enough money to pay everything out of pocket or don't require much care, you're in good shape. If you have to rely on private insurance or medicare/medicaid, however, thing's aren't so great. You simply cannot have any type of system where the healthy subsidize the care of the sick and not run into these kind of problems. Everybody has to be protected, and in the process, people tend to get screwed over from time to time. This time it happens to be you. Sorry, man, I know this sort of thing is tough, but we've yet to figure out a suitable alternative. |
My employers pay a fucking ridiculous amount of money for my insurance. The insurance pays out the full billing rate.
I would be fine if these doctors didn't list themselves as available and suitable practitioners for my conditions.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
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I've always thought of them as drug dealers who have advanced far enough into the game to afford a tie, some degrees on the wall, and a couch for you to sit on.
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GPFontaine
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| I've always thought of them as drug dealers who have advanced far enough into the game to afford a tie, some degrees on the wall, and a couch for you to sit on. |
That is exactly what they are.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
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| I've always thought of them as drug dealers who have advanced far enough into the game to afford a tie, some degrees on the wall, and a couch for you to sit on. |
That is exactly what they are. |
Too bad they don't shoot at each other and have turf wars.
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Ross Rifle
Title: Rock N Roll God
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That'd be awesome!!!
Imagine you're all in your psychiatrist's office and you have to dive off the couch and cover your head because some therapist from the east side of town just shot and uzi through his window.
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Burt Reynolds
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That is bullshit. I'm not completely opposed to medication for treatment of mental ailments, but unlike physical, I agree that there should be comprehensive therapy to get you to a point where you no longer need the medication. The mind is not like the body, as in you take painkillers or whatever until the body naturally heals itself, but a mental disability doesn't just heal itself, you need to go through a therapy that changes your state of mind, or allows you to handle it without medication down the road. I for one, would not want to have to rely on pills for the rest of my life, to keep my mind in check, not to mention I've had friends who take xanax, and they just aren't the same person when they are on it. It makes them like zombies. Sure they aren't anxious on it, but they are completely apathetic to everything and it's almost scary.
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mjl1783
Joined: Aug 13 2008
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My employers pay a fucking ridiculous amount of money for my insurance. The insurance pays out the full billing rate.
I would be fine if these doctors didn't list themselves as available and suitable practitioners for my conditions. |
Regardless, the overall trend in the medical profession is to just write out a prescription for everything. I couldn't say this for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that, for every one of you, there are 2 or 3 people suffering from the same thing who expect to simply pop a few pills and assume the problem will go away. Doctor's tend to prescribe drugs that even they know won't do much good, even for routine illnesses because we've gotten to the point where "there's nothing I can do" registers as "I just don't care."
I hear your frustration. I've had similar problems with my doctor. I just think the whole "sold their souls to the devil" thing is a little too harsh. This is a growing concern among psychiatrists.
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GPFontaine
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| That is bullshit. I'm not completely opposed to medication for treatment of mental ailments, but unlike physical, I agree that there should be comprehensive therapy to get you to a point where you no longer need the medication. The mind is not like the body, as in you take painkillers or whatever until the body naturally heals itself, but a mental disability doesn't just heal itself, you need to go through a therapy that changes your state of mind, or allows you to handle it without medication down the road. I for one, would not want to have to rely on pills for the rest of my life, to keep my mind in check, not to mention I've had friends who take xanax, and they just aren't the same person when they are on it. It makes them like zombies. Sure they aren't anxious on it, but they are completely apathetic to everything and it's almost scary. |
I have been on and off meds for nearly 10 years now. When I was on certain types of meds I would start of great and then 6 months later crash.
I have come to the realization that even with constant therapy, I will never be able to live a happy life without meds. I am able to live without meds, but the quality of life is lower.
The key is to make sure that I am myself while on the meds. It takes observation by a careful Dr. to do this correctly. I have tried several meds and am currently on one that has been ok for a while now. In order to keep taking it though, I need a new Dr. who can continue to monitor and make sure that I don't become apathetic without realizing it. Also, as medicine improves, I would hope to eventually find something that can handle both ADD and OCD. Treating just one makes my life easier, but not as good as I wish it were.
For a few days before the meds crashed out, I was on 300mg Zoloft and 20mg Ritalin. It was the best I have ever felt. Yeah... that was destined to crash out and fade away. Well... never give up
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King
Title: CTE
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It is a tricky thing. I do hate having to deal with any health professional, doctor or otherwise, that only uses one method. I myself previously have benefited from a combonation of therapy and medication. For me my therapist and my psychatrist were 2 different people but in the same practice. I checked in with my psychatrist every month and a half or 2 months, but saw my therapist at one point once a week, and then every other week. They worked with each other, and both helped me. Just pushing on idea though usually is not good.
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scamrock
Title: Space Bastard
Joined: Jan 26 2008
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| GPFontaine wrote: |
| Burt Reynolds wrote: |
| That is bullshit. I'm not completely opposed to medication for treatment of mental ailments, but unlike physical, I agree that there should be comprehensive therapy to get you to a point where you no longer need the medication. The mind is not like the body, as in you take painkillers or whatever until the body naturally heals itself, but a mental disability doesn't just heal itself, you need to go through a therapy that changes your state of mind, or allows you to handle it without medication down the road. I for one, would not want to have to rely on pills for the rest of my life, to keep my mind in check, not to mention I've had friends who take xanax, and they just aren't the same person when they are on it. It makes them like zombies. Sure they aren't anxious on it, but they are completely apathetic to everything and it's almost scary. |
I have been on and off meds for nearly 10 years now. When I was on certain types of meds I would start of great and then 6 months later crash.
I have come to the realization that even with constant therapy, I will never be able to live a happy life without meds. I am able to live without meds, but the quality of life is lower.
The key is to make sure that I am myself while on the meds. It takes observation by a careful Dr. to do this correctly. I have tried several meds and am currently on one that has been ok for a while now. In order to keep taking it though, I need a new Dr. who can continue to monitor and make sure that I don't become apathetic without realizing it. Also, as medicine improves, I would hope to eventually find something that can handle both ADD and OCD. Treating just one makes my life easier, but not as good as I wish it were.
For a few days before the meds crashed out, I was on 300mg Zoloft and 20mg Ritalin. It was the best I have ever felt. Yeah... that was destined to crash out and fade away. Well... never give up  |
I'm pretty sure that I've got ADD. I've never been to a doctor about it so I've never been diagnosed. I guess one of my teachers said something to my mom when I was younger, but my mom isn't too big on kids taking meds, so she either decided I didn't have it or if I did, I would just learn to cope with it. She never brought this up until I was older. When I was younger, I really didn't know what ADD was so I either never realized anything was wrong or thought everyone had these kind of problems.
I never really considered ADD until I saw one of those commercials for adult ADD. You know, the one talking about it being like watching tv and the channels keep changing and you don't have the controller. It reminded me of myself. I thought maybe I had it, so I started researching it. I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure I've got it. I just don't know how bad.
In retrospect, I think it may have something to do with why I did so bad in school. I have a high learning curve and am able to retain a great deal of knowledge. But at the same time, I had a hard time paying attention, wasn't very good at doing my homework, and was easily destracted in class. But then I would get near perfect test scores. Thinking back, I could have probably qualified for both the gifted class and special ed. I don't really know if that's true, but in some regards, I feel like I was way ahead of most of the people in my class, and at the same time, way behind also, if that makes sense.
I don't know if getting a diagnosis and possibly getting medication/therapy would help me or not. I don't have anything to compare with how I feel. Do you think I would be better off coping with it like I have been my whole life, or would you recommend getting some help?
I myself
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GPFontaine
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scamrock,
I think you would have been better off getting help. Even if it wasn't meds. Knowing that you have a problem is half the solution.
Maybe meds would have been good, maybe they wouldn't have.
I graduated high school with a A- average, yet I don't think I ever studied. I think that is part of the reason why when I went to college I couldn't take it any more. I hate the idea of a grade. Who the fuck cares if you can get an A but you can't focus on what you are trying to learn.
Grades are subjective and based on the teachers expectations. In my mind, good grades were still piss poor examples of my cognitive abilities, and I was disappointing myself because I couldn't learn the way I wanted to. I was a much bigger critic of myself than the school systems were.
Thinking back to it, the only people who "graded" me on my own scale were my parents. They frustrated the crap out of me because they knew what I could and couldn't do. What really bothers me about this is that they didn't send me for help so that I could get past the mental blocks. When I got older they stepped in a bit more...
It took me quitting college for them to do it.
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docinsano
Title: Boner King
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scamrock,
I think you would have been better off getting help. Even if it wasn't meds. Knowing that you have a problem is half the solution.
Maybe meds would have been good, maybe they wouldn't have.
I graduated high school with a A- average, yet I don't think I ever studied. I think that is part of the reason why when I went to college I couldn't take it any more. I hate the idea of a grade. Who the fuck cares if you can get an A but you can't focus on what you are trying to learn.
Grades are subjective and based on the teachers expectations. In my mind, good grades were still piss poor examples of my cognitive abilities, and I was disappointing myself because I couldn't learn the way I wanted to. I was a much bigger critic of myself than the school systems were.
Thinking back to it, the only people who "graded" me on my own scale were my parents. They frustrated the crap out of me because they knew what I could and couldn't do. What really bothers me about this is that they didn't send me for help so that I could get past the mental blocks. When I got older they stepped in a bit more...
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I feel the same way about school. In high school I did well, A's and B's. I too, rarely studied much in high school. I just did the homework and took the tests. In college, the 1st semester I did well, then poorly for a while, now I'm making a steady comeback, but nowhere near the high school grades I used to earn. I know I have the ability to earn A's now too, but sometimes it is a bit hard with so much crap going on and being strapped for cash on a weekly basis. I was diagnosed with ADHD, I'm not sure if it was a mistake that I had it diagnosed or what. I was on the good ol' legal speed for a while until I started crashing hard. The doc's would have just upped my dosage, so I went off of them. I found that I can control the symptoms of ADHD through my diet and taking supplements, but I can never remember to take my vitamins and refill them weekly, which is half of my problem. That and my wacky sleep and eating schedules don't help much either...The money thing, well, I just need to budget a little better and actually implement it...Ugh.....
There's just too much stress...."I really know how it feels to be Stressed Out, Stressed Out"....
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scamrock
Title: Space Bastard
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| GPFontaine wrote: |
scamrock,
I think you would have been better off getting help. Even if it wasn't meds. Knowing that you have a problem is half the solution.
Maybe meds would have been good, maybe they wouldn't have.
I graduated high school with a A- average, yet I don't think I ever studied. I think that is part of the reason why when I went to college I couldn't take it any more. I hate the idea of a grade. Who the fuck cares if you can get an A but you can't focus on what you are trying to learn.
Grades are subjective and based on the teachers expectations. In my mind, good grades were still piss poor examples of my cognitive abilities, and I was disappointing myself because I couldn't learn the way I wanted to. I was a much bigger critic of myself than the school systems were.
Thinking back to it, the only people who "graded" me on my own scale were my parents. They frustrated the crap out of me because they knew what I could and couldn't do. What really bothers me about this is that they didn't send me for help so that I could get past the mental blocks. When I got older they stepped in a bit more...
It took me quitting college for them to do it. |
I did good in some classes, some I did poorly. A lot of it had to do with teaching stiles, but I'm sure that is how it is with everyone. But I felt it was worse for me in certain situations because of a lack of staying focused at times. I actually did a lot better by leaps and bounds in college.
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Douche McCallister
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I read the topic and was getting ready to mod because I read it as..."Drug pushing mother, fucking asshole doctors." I was expecting a mom screwing a couple doctors.
After reading this I can agree with GP in that the doctors would rather get more patients in and just give out perscriptions than actually see whats going on.
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