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Sock
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PostPosted: May 05 2006 01:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Tee-hee, I'm a criminal because I have different views than you. Uh-oh, I trust my Government, that makes me a terrorist!

Anyway, I tried to watch one of those hacky 9/11 Conspiracy films, but I couldn't. It's not made to inform the viewer, it's God damn sensationalism.
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PostPosted: May 05 2006 01:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

Well, when the Tower of liberty ( or whatever it will be called ) is hit with a plane,nervegassed,bombed etc. the world can fondly look back at our present times and say "told you so".


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PostPosted: May 05 2006 07:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Juffo-Wup wrote:
It's useless to resist. Supporting Republicans makes you partner in crime.
Hitler, Stalin, Bush, Idi, Mugabe... they're the same shit, only different asshole.

Actually, what the most prominent critics of U.S. government such as Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky, and Howard Zinn REALLY believe is that the U.S. government has systematically and intentionally oppressed every except the wealthiest 1% since day one. They believe that Republicans and Democrats are equally evil, that no mainstream American political candidate has ever tried to better the country, that socialism is better than democracy, and that only third party candidates can save America. During the 2004 election, most of these people bit their tongues and openly endorsed Kerry for president. Yes, they were so desperate to get Bush voted out of office that they sold out their beliefs. Ironically enough, Michael Moore's endorsementof Kerry probably hurt Kerry more than anything else. Moore may have gotten some of the people who would have otherwise voted for Ralph Nader to vote for Kerry, but he has a very repellant personality and his endorsement of Kerry pushed many moderates and independents towards Bush.
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PostPosted: May 05 2006 09:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd, If you're Right wing nutty that's fine. I really don't think Documentary maker such as Moore will ever do anything else than show in humorous way what a fucking ape Bush is. Everyone knew already that Bush will rape america good time if he gets elected. Guess that the good citizens of U.S.A are just indifferent towards the fact that there is only so much shit that one Nation can carry. Secondly I cant believe how little shit Mike poured on Dick, for he is the brains behind Bush.

Moore said in he's book "Dude, wheres my country ?" ( Yes I read it, even though I'm not American) that he will spent every dollar of the taxcut he got to kick Bush out of the White House. I can't believe the fucker didn't just hire someone to assasinate Bush... Damn him !


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PostPosted: May 05 2006 10:19 am Reply with quote Back to top

First of all, your entire response is ad hominem. More importantly, you seem to have ignored my point entirely. Instead of addressing what I said, you wrote a reply based on a bunch of assumptions of what you think I must believe because I don't like Michael Moore.

The point that I was trying to make is this: Michael Moore existed way before Fahrenheit 9/11. If you look at his work as a whole, you will notice there has been a shift in tone in recent years. Moore used to be a huge critic of US government in general. He doesn't like the US system and he wants to create a more socialist American. That's not a criticism, that's not a judgment, that's a fact. Up until recently, he was an avid supporter of third party candidates, particular Ralph Nader. However, as the 2004 election approached, Moore decided to focus his energies on getting Kerry elected. This was not because he liked Kerry, it was because he hated Bush. Moore then harshly criticized Nader for running in 2004, saying that he was hurting Kerry by running and calling for him to immediately withdraw from the race.

And this is why I was criticizing Moore. You see, even though his core beliefs have not changed, he opted to try and push a guy that he doesn't even like into office because it was easier than trying to get Nader into office. He verbally assaulted Nader, who is one of his oldest friends, for attempting to become president even though Moore WANTS him to become president. Moore did what he though was easy instead of what he thought was right and that is why I have no respect for him.
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PostPosted: May 05 2006 10:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

This might be a bit of a threadjack, but I just want to say how impressed I am that this forum can talk about things like this and not have it spiral out of control. It's teetered on the brink of disintegrating into name-calling and other ridiculous methods of talking politics, but all in all, it' s not gone bad.

It may just seem more pronounced to me because of my setting. I consider myself a *gasp* Republican, and everyone in my department here at school knows this. I never tried to hide my political affiliation, which apparently, others at this school do. At least three times a week, I'm drawn into political conversations in which I get personal attacks from students and faculty alike because of my political beliefs. It's fucking annoying when a place considers itself an open forum for education, yet remains closed minded (which is ironic considering one of their recurring arguments is "Bush is a closed-minded dictator"). Bah, I guess I"m just venting about some of the bullshit round here.

Anyway, golf clap to all for actually talking and not being politcally retarded in the context of conversation.


Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
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PostPosted: May 05 2006 10:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

Sock wrote:

Anyway, I tried to watch one of those hacky 9/11 Conspiracy films, but I couldn't. It's not made to inform the viewer, it's God damn sensationalism.




Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
descends the steep, passing without escort through the circles,
One such that by him the city shall be opened to us.
 
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PostPosted: May 05 2006 01:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Kubo wrote:
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It may just seem more pronounced to me because of my setting. I consider myself a *gasp* Republican, and everyone in my department here at school knows this. I never tried to hide my political affiliation, which apparently, others at this school do. At least three times a week, I'm drawn into political conversations in which I get personal attacks from students and faculty alike because of my political beliefs. It's fucking annoying when a place considers itself an open forum for education, yet remains closed minded (which is ironic considering one of their recurring arguments is "Bush is a closed-minded dictator"). Bah, I guess I"m just venting about some of the bullshit round here.

...

Isn't it awesome how being republican's like the new being gay? You say 'Yeah, I'm a republican', the response; "Oh...I...I had no idea...but you...seem so open minded...are you sure? I mean...I always thought you were one of us...wow". If that's not the reponse it's; "Get outta here ya faggot!"
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PostPosted: May 05 2006 01:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My intention was not to make any cliche assumptions Syd, so sry about that. I tried to throw tasteless one, but obviously it didn't hit. But don't get me wrong either. I don't like to take Moore more seriously than a Fool. Fool in medieval sence. Sure he is fun, sure he goes a long way, but to take him TOO seriously is bad. I admit I used to be a big fan of the stuff he produced, but then I evolved independent thinking and realized that it's time to get critical towars both: left and right.

And as far as I see, they are both pathetic in their own way.


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PostPosted: May 05 2006 06:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I like who the majority of people who say they are open minded about politics are normally the most closed minded. You're right, Kubo, being a conservative is the new gay. I have no party affiliation because some of my views are hardcore conservative and some are hardcore liberal (Though if I had to generalize I'd say fiscally conservative and socially liberal). I identify more with the Libertarian party than any other really, but even they go too far. However, because I have SOME conservative leanings, all of the sudden I'm a terrible person and people expect me to explain myself to their ignorant satisfaction.

But regardless of which side you're on, I'd just like us all to agree that moderates are the real problem in America. (I can explain this further if anyone wants, but I don't feel like typing it out at this moment)


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PostPosted: May 06 2006 12:07 am Reply with quote Back to top

Dr. Jeebus wrote:
But regardless of which side you're on, I'd just like us all to agree that moderators are the real problem in America.

You're just jealous that you don't have mod powers. Razz
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PostPosted: May 06 2006 12:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

Dr. Jeebus wrote:

But regardless of which side you're on, I'd just like us all to agree that moderates are the real problem in America.


Here, here!

Wait a minute... Embarrassed


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PostPosted: May 06 2006 03:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

Freudian slip, cause yes I do want my fucking mod powers, damn it! (Even if you said all I need to do to get them is finish another article, but finals will be over soon!)

What I actually meant was MODERATES, not moderators. Still not in the mood to explain since I just walked 10 miles and can't feel my me. (Not a typo)


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PostPosted: May 07 2006 03:34 am Reply with quote Back to top

Juffo wrote ALL THESE
[/quote] .....but then I evolved independent thinking and realized that it's time to get critical towars both: left and right.
Quote:
It's useless to resist. Supporting Republicans makes you partner in crime.
Hitler, Stalin, Bush, Idi, Mugabe... they're the same shit, only different asshole.
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C'mon Bush is fucking lunatic with too many bloody dollars on his hands.
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As for Bush. He is Dictator, as he has all the characteristics
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....what a fucking ape Bush is. Everyone knew already that Bush will rape america good time if he gets elected. [quote]

"Independant thinking" my ass! Sounds to me you made up your mind a long time ago! In the interest of being fair, you should look at both sides of the issue rather than blindly make fun of someone who wishes the best interest of our country!!! I don't give a crap if you are a lefty! Do you (or any other kool aid drinker for that matter) really think that saddam is better than Bush...? Do you??!??


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PostPosted: May 07 2006 04:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

Not liking Bush does not mean that one thinks Saddam is better. I don't like Bush, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be worse leaders. I disagree with him on a lot of issues, and think he was too quick to go to war in Iraq (although I do think bringing the troops back home at this point in time would just be stupid).

Even if Bush did want what is best for this country, I doubt he knows what that is. It seems like he has his own agenda in mind, and would probably choose the more conservative choice in any situation even if the liberal one would be better for the country. That's why extreme political viewpoints are bad. People's preconceived notions keep them from looking at the whole picture in situations and choosing what is best.

Also, Bush isn't a dictator. The constitution keeps him from being one. The thing that really bugs me, though, is that every time he does something stupid, he says God wanted him to do it. Violence in the name of religion makes me sad.
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PostPosted: May 07 2006 10:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

I saw this movie last night. Probably the most powerful movie I've ever seen. No sugar coating, no bias one way or another. It was done perfectly.

Personally, I think everyone should see this movie. If you think it was too early to make it, I understand. But at some point, see it. Though I've never really forgotten about Sept. 11, this movie pissed me off all over again, made me as angry as I was on Sept. 12, reminded me how scared I was watching it all go down.

Which, IMO, is a good thing for people to be reminded of- because I think that we, as a country, have generally chosen to forget about it.


Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
descends the steep, passing without escort through the circles,
One such that by him the city shall be opened to us.
 
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PostPosted: May 07 2006 11:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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Not liking Bush does not mean that one thinks Saddam is better. I don't like Bush, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be worse leaders.


You have an excellent point. Bush isn't the best either, and i agree with a lot of what you have to say. I was referring to the fact the vast majority of the left hate Bush, yet they think the terror of bagdad was "a kinda cool guy" as it were.

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It seems like he has his own agenda in mind, and would probably choose the more conservative choice in any situation even if the liberal one would be better for the country.


I think bush's stance on most things is quite liberal. His immagration and energy polices are my evidence for that.

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That's why extreme political viewpoints are bad


No problem with that one there. We agree on that to a certain extent.

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The thing that really bugs me, though, is that every time he does something stupid, he says God wanted him to do it. Violence in the name of religion makes me sad.


While I am a religous person, i agree with you on that. but like the quote before it, for vastly differant reasons.

Wow! that was kinda cool! On the old forum i used to hang out, you would get modded/banned if you said anything remotely too the right of center.

As Always, Freedom of speech rocks. Thanks all.

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PostPosted: May 08 2006 01:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

Why don't you all just move up here to Canada?


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PostPosted: May 08 2006 09:36 am Reply with quote Back to top

Valdronius wrote:
Why don't you all just move up here to Canada?


I thought about it, but I'd be broke within 3 hours and I'd have to move back. Damn Club Supersex and your beautiful, morally-apathetic employees!


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PostPosted: May 08 2006 11:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

Valdronius wrote:
Why don't you all just move up here to Canada?





I keed. I keed. In my hockey travels, I found that most Canadians are cool as hell. The Quebecers, however....


Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
descends the steep, passing without escort through the circles,
One such that by him the city shall be opened to us.
 
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PostPosted: May 08 2006 10:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I want to move to Canada for the hockey. That, and from what I hear the job market up there is better than that in America.

I'm sure it's different for different regions, though.
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PostPosted: May 09 2006 12:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

Kubo wrote:
In my hockey travels, I found that most Canadians are cool as hell. The Quebecers, however....


Are you refering to Jacques Rougeau & Pierre Ouelette the WWF tag team that was around for a little over a year in '93, '94?


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Valdronius wrote:
Are you refering to Jacques Rougeau & Pierre Ouelette the WWF tag team that was around for a little over a year in '93, '94?


I preferred Rougeau alone. LONG LIVE THE MOUNTIE AND HIS SHOCK STICK!


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Kubo wrote:
I saw this movie last night. Probably the most powerful movie I've ever seen. No sugar coating, no bias one way or another. It was done perfectly.

Personally, I think everyone should see this movie. If you think it was too early to make it, I understand. But at some point, see it. Though I've never really forgotten about Sept. 11, this movie pissed me off all over again, made me as angry as I was on Sept. 12, reminded me how scared I was watching it all go down.

Which, IMO, is a good thing for people to be reminded of- because I think that we, as a country, have generally chosen to forget about it.


Dang it, I know I still have to go see it... but M:I III was just too tempting... I'm afraid that I might be too pro-Hollywood to like United 93, or that it won't thrill me because I know how it ends.


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PostPosted: May 10 2006 12:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

Tebor wrote:
I'm afraid that I might be too pro-Hollywood to like United 93, or that it won't thrill me because I know how it ends.

Knowing how a movie ends is no excuse not to like it. You probably watch your favorite movies over and over again, don't you? I 've seen ET at least two dozen times but I still cry every time at the end when we find out that ET never existed and that Elliot was just using ET as a vehicle to repress how his dad sexually abused him.
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