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Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with the media?


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Kubo
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 06:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A dipshit kid with an assault rifle wants to go out famous, so he shoots up a mall, killing 10 people in the process before lodging a bullet in his own head. He stated in his final note that he wanted to go out with a bang. So what does the responsible mainstream media do?...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/07/mall.shooter/index.html

...Publishes pictures of the fucking kid while he's taking aim at innocent people.

Now every kid that wants to "go out with a bang" knows exactly how to get national media attention. Good lord, the media seems like a collection of douchebags sometimes.


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Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
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ReeperTheSeeker
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 06:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I've said it before and i'll say it again, people who do this shit should be forgotten. I'm not saying to forget the victims or the tragedy itself, but as a universal punishment to the shooter, their identity should be whipped clean from existence and forgotten forever, like something out of 1984. Yes, this is cruel but think about it, recognition and fame is what fuels majority of these shootings. If that no longer exists, the shooters have little incentive then.

On second thought, that does sound way to cruel (to the family of the shooter)

If not this, then the media should only talk about the shootings and not mention or show the shooter once, that way the shooter doesn’t get what he want at the end. I’m sick of the mindless killings in the states. Believe it or not, the united states is better off then other countries and it’s shit like this that makes me wonder what the f*ck is wrong with people.

It’s not like the people in the mall wronged him or he’s at war. He just did it to “go out with a bang.” Newsflash: Join the freaking army and get yourself killed in a tank oversea, douchebag. I’m going to end now, before I punch something.


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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 07:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

ReeperTheSeeker wrote:
...as a universal punishment to the shooter, their identity should be whipped clean from existence and forgotten forever, like something out of 1984.

That's how they rolled in ancient Egypt and it worked out pretty well.


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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 07:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I agree. The difference between martyrdom and suicide is press coverage. Line from a Chuck Palahniuk book.

But, there is no way for the shooter to be punished after the fact. He's dead so he has no way of knowing if he succeeded in getting his fame or if he failed. The end result is still the same unfortunately.

Reminds me of that simpsons treehouse of horror episode where the billboards come to life.


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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 07:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
I agree. The difference between martyrdom and suicide is press coverage. Line from a Chuck Palahniuk book.

There's also a song called "The Only Difference Between Martyrdom and Suicide is Press Coverage" by a band my sister listens to called Frantic To The Disco. Obviously, they got the title from Chuck.

And yeah, they need to stop talking about this guy. They need to start talking about Kara Borden again. I mean, come on, is she 18 yet? I would KILL to be with her.
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 07:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
username wrote:
I agree. The difference between martyrdom and suicide is press coverage. Line from a Chuck Palahniuk book.

There's also a song called "The Only Difference Between Martyrdom and Suicide is Press Coverage" by a band my sister listens to called Frantic To The Disco. Obviously, they got the title from Chuck.

And yeah, they need to stop talking about this guy. They need to start talking about Kara Borden again. I mean, come on, is she 18 yet? I would KILL to be with her.

Syd, the band is Panic! at the Disco. You're SO cool.


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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 07:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I know it'll piss off a lot of animal-huntin' types, but gun laws really need to be tightened up imho.
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Kubo
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 07:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry for the long post, but this is pretty relevant, and probably the best written thing on the subject I've ever read.

Taken from my blog:


I wanted to write something about the media coverage that that dumbass, punk, piece-of-shit, uberemo VT shooter is getting. I came across this though. This guy is a better writer than I could ever hope to be. Kudos to Chez on his blog, check it out if you get the chance:



http://www.deusexmalcontent.blogspot.com





"The only difference between suicide and martyrdom is press coverage."


I want my soul back.

Over the years, the television news business has made me feel many ways -- exhilarated, proud, honored, embarrassed, enlightened, trivial, angry, frustrated, even ashamed on more than one occasion. It has never, however, made me feel dirty -- until now.

This overwhelming need that I have at the moment to crawl into a shower and desperately attempt to rinse the corruption and sickness off of my skin stems from one simple fact: the images that are currently plastered all over every television network and newspaper in America -- the photos and homemade video of Virginia Tech killer Cho Seung-Hui -- should never have seen the light of day. Neither you, nor I, nor the families of the victims, nor anyone aside from FBI investigators should have ever laid eyes on any of it.

I'm well aware that there are some who would consider this a dereliction of duty on my part -- an abandonment of my unspoken vow to dispassionately satisfy the public's insatiable right to know, no matter the cost or consequence.

You know something? I couldn't fucking care less.

On Wednesday afternoon, NBC News made a decision that, if there's any justice in the universe whatsoever, will be remembered as the singular event that obliterated its once-hallowed reputation, got its smug, hypocritical prick of a president Steve Capus deported to a deserted island and brought 30 Rock crashing to the ground.

Through a thought process that I can't even begin to comprehend, nor would I even wish to be able to, NBC chose to give a final posthumous forum to the psychotic, self-obsessed and thoroughly delusional kid who took thirty-two innocent lives out of some ridiculously inflated sense of aggrievement for a supposed lifetime of persecution. The network's news executives put prurience ahead of prudence and in doing so rubbed the faces of the victims' families into the very dirt used to bury their loved ones -- they did it by seeing to it that everywhere those families turned, they would stare into the same cold eyes that their terrified sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, husbands and wives saw the instant before they died.

Understand, as a veteran of this business I've always been of the opinion that news must be taken at face value -- that the potential fallout, positive or negative, from running a legitimate story should rarely, if ever, be taken into account when deciding whether or not to go to air with that story. I've sat in meeting after meeting in which the news value of an item was weighed against its potential impact. I've listened to executive after executive rationalize the choice to run a questionable news item in the hope of hiding from others and possibly even themselves the tawdriness of their true motives. I've done it myself on more than one occasion.

I can tell you, without fear of contradiction, that this is exactly what Capus and company did on Wednesday when presented with a story, the spectacular sensationalism of which was matched only by its complete lack of any real value to the public. NBC's news department heads received a gift from the gods, via the mail, and they'd be damned if they weren't going to run with it -- no matter what kind of moral somersaults they might have to perform to justify the decision.

So run with it they did -- splashing Cho Seung-Hui's contorted face and idiotic ramblings across the airwaves with all the subtlety of gang-bang porn.

As if on cue from the network's PR department, Steve Capus himself took to NBC's airwaves soon after to assure America that he had personally wrestled long and hard with the leviathan ethical dilemma presented by such a story before valiantly pinning his conscience to the mat and forcing it to tap out. The hysterical irony was that it marked Capus's second such appearance on one of his own network's news programs in two weeks: the last time was when he bombastically asserted the moral authority of himself and his network by dropping Don Imus, who had merely insulted, rather than gunned down a group of college students.

Let me repeat that in simpler terms: make a cruel comment about a bunch of kids and you're not worthy to have a forum on NBC; stalk through the halls shooting kids in cold blood and NBC will give you all the time you'd like to speak your mind.

No matter the bullshit ethical loopholes Capus continues to try and squeeze through, one need only look at the video itself for NBC's true motivation to become crystal clear. There, burned into the top left-hand corner of every frame of tape and every still image of Cho posing with his weapons of choice is the NBC News logo -- complete with peacock. It's been put there as an almost juvenile (given the subject matter) assertion of ownership -- a figurative tongue protruding in the direction of every news organization that NBC knew would fair-use the material.

It's the best and easiest form of promotion imaginable -- promotion the network hopes will turn into ratings which will turn into dollars for NBC/Universal shareholders and a big bonus for Capus.

And lest there be any lingering doubt that the network knew from the beginning that it was stepping over the line, Brian Williams basically admitted as much during a conversation with imbecilic talking-head Chris Matthews on MSNBC Wednesday night -- saying that he was well aware that by airing even a portion of Cho's manifesto, NBC was bestowing upon the killer the martyrdom he had hoped to achieve. The reason he had killed -- the reason he had mailed the tape to a television network to begin with -- was because he wanted to be heard loud and clear, and NBC was more than happy to oblige him that opportunity.

Satisfying the motives of a murderer should've been reason enough for NBC to refuse to air such an obscenely stupid diatribe. The only argument that can ever be made -- the one mitigating factor -- in favor of giving a killer what he wants is the threat of further violence, and Cho wasn't the Zodiac; he had already seen to it that he would never kill again.

The morning after the network made its contemptibly immoral decision -- one which opened the floodgates for every other news organization in the world to follow suit, as the genie was out of the bottle by that point -- the families of two of the shooting victims canceled their scheduled appearances on the Today Show, citing a very understandable level of bitter outrage. Whether that was enough to hammer home the culpability of the network in the continued emotional torture of these poor people, who knows; it would be nice to believe though that behind the walls of 30 Rock and its bastard stepchild MSNBC -- the nicest warehouse in Secaucus, New Jersey -- someone somewhere was considering the throwing of himself upon a sword for the unforgivable crime of dishonoring what's always been a strictly above-the-board news operation.

I knew none of the victims personally, and yet I grieve for them. As someone who's always allowed myself the comfort of detached analysis, and an occasional moral relativism which is the natural by-product of it, I don't often see subjects in terms of absolutes. Things are rarely black or white, right or wrong, good or evil; there's typically an abundance of gray area in between which demands to be taken into account.

Not this time.

I feel for the families of the victims. I feel for the victims themselves -- all of whom were guilty of nothing more than waking up and going to class on an otherwise typical Monday morning. I imagine their terror when confronted with their cold and methodical executioner. I place the life of Max Turner against the life of Cho Seung-Hui -- what he chose to become -- and it's not even worthy of comparison; it's innocence versus guilt -- life versus death. Not one of those thirty-two people deserved to die, certainly not at the whim of a craven fucking coward who needed to lock them all in and mercilessly gun them down to achieve whatever narcissistic sense of authority he felt life was denying him. Anyone who demands respect from behind a gun is spineless to begin with; a person who demands it from an unarmed kid who's cowering on the floor in front of him, begging for his or her life -- just before shooting that terrified kid three times -- is a worthless piece of shit.

Make no mistake: I would wink at the devil and gladly accept a lifetime in hell just for the sheer, unadulterated joy of having been able to take Cho Seung-Hui's skull and smash it against the concrete floor until there was nothing left of it.

Someone should've put a fucking bullet in that kid before he ever had the chance to destroy so many innocent lives.

I don't care what his twisted reasoning was or who had beat him up back in high school, there's simply no excuse for what he did.

Just like there's no excuse for complicity in the elevation of his act to the martrydom he had hoped it would be seen as by the next sociopathic kid with a gun and a grudge.

Believe me, that kid's already out there somewhere -- and he's thinking that he can kill thirty-three.


Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
descends the steep, passing without escort through the circles,
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 08:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well said.
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PostPosted: Dec 07 2007 09:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

possible my favorite line in the rant:

"Let me repeat that in simpler terms: make a cruel comment about a bunch of kids and you're not worthy to have a forum on NBC; stalk through the halls shooting kids in cold blood and NBC will give you all the time you'd like to speak your mind."

This is what's wrong with the country. We put too much panic-stock on some small subjects and not nearly enough restriction on bigger moral-breakers. We can talk about how soccer moms are pussying up our modern cartoons but where the f*ck are these pricks when NBC pulls shit like this? The network should have been slandered to the point of no return. I stand by what i said earlier and this is the very case that my thoughts should have been executed. The VT Guy (i refuse to learn his name) wanted NBC to air his video and you know what, they should have burned them and sent them to hell for him to weep over. I mean people post shit on youtube every day to blow off steam and it's free!

F*ck the VT guy and the mall guy. Have fun with their souls, Lucifer!


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PostPosted: Dec 08 2007 12:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

I was talking with my dad about this, and we realized something: back in the olden days, people were institutionalized before shit like this could happen. Now, we just give them Prozac and wait for them to snap because the Prozac does the opposite of what it's supposed to do. Then my mom got pissed at me when I said that this kid contributed nothing to society, and asked me where my compassion was. I told her that my compassion went out the window when he fired his first shot. You could give the guy help all you want, but once he kills someone for no goddamn reason other than the fact that he was fired and his girlfriend broke up with him, his worth as a human being is invalidated. I told her to not mistake the fact that I don't misplace compassion with being heartless. It's this shit that gets me steamed. If it isn't some emo kid snapping and running rampant with an Uzi, it's some wigger making a total douchefuck of himself. I ask, where's the room for the normal kids? You know, the kids who actually have social skills and are well-adjusted and making something of themselves? It saddens me that this asshole will get more recognition than the firefighter putting out someone's house in California, or the paramedic bringing someone back from the brink of death, or even just the nice kid helping pick up another kid's books in the hallway. As a society, we really need to reevaluate our principles.


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PostPosted: Dec 08 2007 01:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

This is the exact reason why I carry a firearm, I'd love to see some douchebag try this shit where I live, I'd blow his fucking head off.
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PostPosted: Dec 08 2007 01:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

They seriously need concealed-carry laws in Illinois, like they do in most states. There's no way I'm not going out without a fight.
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PostPosted: Dec 08 2007 02:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Kubo wrote:
[the author writes] Not one of those thirty-two people deserved to die, certainly not at the whim of a craven fucking coward who needed to lock them all in and mercilessly gun them down to achieve whatever narcissistic sense of authority he felt life was denying him. Anyone who demands respect from behind a gun is spineless to begin with; a person who demands it from an unarmed kid who's cowering on the floor in front of him, begging for his or her life -- just before shooting that terrified kid three times -- is a worthless piece of shit.

No greater sentences could ever be written about the people who do these things.

I wonder if these incidences took place before the proliferation of firearms. Back in the day, did somone arm himself with a crossbow and daggers, hit the local marketplace and go Assasin's Creed on some people? Perhaps it would have been harder, as communities were smaller and more "closely-knitt."

I'm not saying this because I'm pro gun control; some people are going to do this shit whether they can aquire guns legally or not. Although making it harder for certain individuals to acquire guns may have prevented this crap. Honestly, every gun owner should be at least 21.


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PostPosted: Dec 08 2007 02:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
They seriously need concealed-carry laws in Illinois, like they do in most states. There's no way I'm not going out without a fight.

I smell a hit holiday novelty song in the making...

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PostPosted: Dec 09 2007 06:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

This post is most likely not going to be recieved well, judging from the other posts here, but I am going to risk posting this anyways.

The reason the mall shooters pictures were released was ratings. The reasoning behind this is that americans in general find blood, violence, and shocking images interesting. It is a tactic the news has been using for years, draw people in with the blood and violence, have them stay for the sports and other stories.

as for the mall shooter himself, I don't hate him... yet. I am not going to judge him until more information is release, because everything is more then just an absolute. For example, look at Cho Seung-Hui. Many people hate him because of what he did at VT, I when I think of him I feel pity. Cho Seung-Hui so sick in the head, that in 8th grade he wrote a paper about how he wanted to repeat Columbine. At one point their was a court order to have him be an outpatient, but because the goverment didn't do its job, Cho Seung-Hui never went, and because he never checked into an outpatient program he was legally allowed to buy guns. Cho Seung-Hui was nothing more then a diseased kid left with the tools he needed to hurt others, and I can't blame him for that, and until I hear the full story on this mall shooter, I can't pass judgement on him.
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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Dec 09 2007 06:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

You raise some good points.
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PostPosted: Dec 09 2007 12:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Like I said, people need to be institutionalized.


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