I think, above all, the best point to make here is "OMG Bill Nye the Science Guy!".
But beyond that, seriously. We've put away most of our other Biblical notions of how the world works when we learned better. Time to put this one away too, it's embarrassing. And I never saw how it's incompatible with Genesis myself - we don't exactly have God's wristwatch nor his recipe for creating humans. How do we know how He did it?
Yeah, I don't understand the really hardcore Southern Christians. "You're only Christian if you're Christian in the EXACT same manner as us."
I was being literal, you know. There's a large group of fundamentalists that do believe that the Catholic Church is actually corrupted by evil and that the Pope is the Antichrist. If you dare, look up some Chick Tracts that will tell you so (www.chick.com), or I can find a couple later on that are good reading too. The only thing making Chick Tracts non-comedy is that people actually believe them.
Disregarding this argument, oh my god Bill Nye sounds fucking tired. Like, he's going to keel over. I was physically shocked when I heard how tired he sounds in this video. All of those days in grade school watching his peppy, whacky videos are ruined.
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Aug 27 2012 03:09 pm
I feel like this wasn't rehearsed. I feel like someone had a video camera and was like, can you please speak out against creationism for our website? He just kinda... trails off... at the end there...
There should be greater distinction between young-earth creationists and the rest of them. The former believes that seven days equals 168 hours in our current, arbitrary definitions of time. They are stupid and wrong and that's the mindset that needs to die out.
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lavalarva
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Aug 27 2012 05:39 pm
How did that manage to still be relevant in the US? I blame Texas.
Drew Linky
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Aug 27 2012 10:04 pm
lavalarva wrote:
How did that manage to still be relevant in the US? I blame Texas.
Bible Belt is largely to blame, I think. I wouldn't know for sure.
I guess places like Alabama also have some part in it, but...
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Aug 27 2012 10:10 pm
Drew Linky wrote:
lavalarva wrote:
How did that manage to still be relevant in the US? I blame Texas.
Bible Belt is largely to blame, I think. I wouldn't know for sure.
I guess places like Alabama also have some part in it, but...
Alabama is considered to be a Bible Belt state too, holmes.
Drew Linky
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Posted:
Aug 27 2012 10:16 pm
JoshWoodzy wrote:
Drew Linky wrote:
lavalarva wrote:
How did that manage to still be relevant in the US? I blame Texas.
Bible Belt is largely to blame, I think. I wouldn't know for sure.
I guess places like Alabama also have some part in it, but...
Alabama is considered to be a Bible Belt state too, holmes.
Really?
Guess I should look this up at some point. I'm just sick of being located within it.
EDIT: Oh, shit.
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Relevance bump. I have no way of knowing if this is true, I can't find anything else commenting on it. So don't be surprised if I come back saying it's complete crap tomorrow, or something. But wow. If this actually happened, then I am fucking stunned.
EDIT: Fuck it, I'm an idiot. The site is satire. That's what I get for being excited.
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Aug 31 2012 08:25 am
There seems to be a lot of satire sites I've never heard of popping up recently. When will they realize that gunning for the Onion's crown is a waste of time?
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Aug 31 2012 11:28 am
UsaSatsui wrote:
But beyond that, seriously. We've put away most of our other Biblical notions of how the world works when we learned better. Time to put this one away too, it's embarrassing. And I never saw how it's incompatible with Genesis myself - we don't exactly have God's wristwatch nor his recipe for creating humans. How do we know how He did it?
Christianity doesn't try to explain every niggling little detail, most of us have realized that trying to comprehend everything about God while still in our earthly bodies is a damn near improbabble task.
Personally I believe things like the big bang could've been possible through God's power, the whole 7 days thing is interesting though. What people fail to realize is that a day to God could've been millions of years to us. However, I don't believe Earth could've come to form to be able to support humanity, a life form I don't think could've just evolved into what we are now without a hand from some higher power.
I don't base my beliefs in God on that statement alone though, I've come to have faith in God through personal experiances which I won't delve into here ( no need to)
Also, yay Bill Nye! He made science really tolerable, even when I was a junior in high school taking Chemistry from a lady who didn't know chemistry herself.
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Aug 31 2012 11:34 am
Damn Hacker, you've been saying more and more stuff that I agree with lately.
The Opponent
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Aug 31 2012 12:08 pm
Hacker wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
But beyond that, seriously. We've put away most of our other Biblical notions of how the world works when we learned better. Time to put this one away too, it's embarrassing. And I never saw how it's incompatible with Genesis myself - we don't exactly have God's wristwatch nor his recipe for creating humans. How do we know how He did it?
Christianity doesn't try to explain every niggling little detail, most of us have realized that trying to comprehend everything about God while still in our earthly bodies is a damn near improbabble task.
Personally I believe things like the big bang could've been possible through God's power, the whole 7 days thing is interesting though. What people fail to realize is that a day to God could've been millions of years to us. However, I don't believe Earth could've come to form to be able to support humanity, a life form I don't think could've just evolved into what we are now without a hand from some higher power.
I don't base my beliefs in God on that statement alone though, I've come to have faith in God through personal experiances which I won't delve into here ( no need to)
And even if all of the science in the world disproves a few things in the Bible, why would you let that affect your faith? God isn't going away just because a bunch of scientists/super-atheists try to tell Him to.
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Drew Linky
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Posted:
Sep 01 2012 12:29 am
The-Excel wrote:
Hacker wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
But beyond that, seriously. We've put away most of our other Biblical notions of how the world works when we learned better. Time to put this one away too, it's embarrassing. And I never saw how it's incompatible with Genesis myself - we don't exactly have God's wristwatch nor his recipe for creating humans. How do we know how He did it?
Christianity doesn't try to explain every niggling little detail, most of us have realized that trying to comprehend everything about God while still in our earthly bodies is a damn near improbabble task.
Personally I believe things like the big bang could've been possible through God's power, the whole 7 days thing is interesting though. What people fail to realize is that a day to God could've been millions of years to us. However, I don't believe Earth could've come to form to be able to support humanity, a life form I don't think could've just evolved into what we are now without a hand from some higher power.
I don't base my beliefs in God on that statement alone though, I've come to have faith in God through personal experiances which I won't delve into here ( no need to)
And even if all of the science in the world disproves a few things in the Bible, why would you let that affect your faith? God isn't going away just because a bunch of scientists/super-atheists try to tell Him to.
If there's one thing that my science teachers in college have tried to hammer into my head already, it's that science isn't trying to get rid of religion on purpose.
Science doesn't try to seek out who is right and wrong, it's about understanding. If we don't have the capacity to understand or test something, we don't bother with it. God is a prime example--true scientists won't say he exists or not, because you can't create a test to answer a hypothesis like that. If he does, great. If he doesn't, also great. We don't care, as long as we reach an understanding of the nature of things.
Besides, the presence of God doesn't change the way things work. Whether He does or does not exist doesn't change what we've found already. Gravity or evolution isn't going to stop being true if we find out God is real.
/rant
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Sep 01 2012 01:21 am
This is supposedly a follow up interview to the whole video frenzy.
Here's my perspective: I consider myself a science-minded individual. I was watching Beyond the Cosmos one day on National Geographic and they were talking about how the level of dark energy in our universe is some 10^-125, perfect for the coalescence of galaxies. Any more or any less and we would be too dense or too scattered to exist. They claimed that it makes sense that we have all these perfect conditions for life, because if string theory is true, there are some 10^500 variations of the many dimensions of strings, so we would have to exist in the one that is meant for us.
So I was thinking, how is string theory any more easy to swallow than intelligent design? I believe in intelligent design, which is not to say I think the world is 4000 years old. I think that's what they are labeling as 'Creationism', egregious as that label may be.
I find it amusing to picture God watching the scientists and musing, "Congratulations, you found the Higgs Boson, now figure how entangled particles can communicate faster than the speed of light. Trollololol."
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Sep 01 2012 02:35 am
So here's to you Mrs. Robinson. People love you more- oh, nevermind.
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Posted:
Sep 01 2012 12:18 pm
The thing is that evolution completely undermines what is perhaps the most basic tenet of Christianity, and maybe religion in general - humans are special because God made them that way. We're made in God's image, given dominion over the beasts, and have ourselves a front row seat in Heaven. Evolution says the opposite, in a way - we're not special, we're random genetic fuckups that just happened to be better at surviving than the other random genetic fuckups.
Even if you're not a fundamentalist, that's a pretty strong blow to the truth of your faith. Thankfully most Christians long ago got past the Bible being literal truth and believe more in the ideals it puts forth. But if you are a fundamentalist, it completely shatters the Bible right in the first chapter. That's why they're still fighting tooth and nail against it.
I think the fact that the sun wasn't created until day four of the Genesis account is a pretty good indication that it's not supposed to be taken as a literal account of things. Otherwise, how were we measuring days 1 through three in the first place?
