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Posted: Aug 05 2012 11:20 pm

This guy's list is a tad different from the one on this site; it accounts for well-done pirated games like Super Mario World and Pokemon Yellow, as well as PAL-region only games. He also has a fact about each one and tries to include the commercials if he can find them (Dig Dug's was over 2 minutes long!).

http://satoshimatrix.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/top-100-nesfamicom-games-list-100-90/

Now to go hunt down a copy of Little Samson.

Posted: Aug 05 2012 11:27 pm

Super Mario World NES is NOT good. The physics are kinda fucky, and it goes up to World 4. And it was released in 1995. It took them FOUR YEARS to make that piece of shit. If it had been rushed out after the SNES launch, it'd be acceptable. It still wouldn't be worthy of being the "best" anything though.

You wanna see well done NES hacks that are ACTUALLY well done, Not Sure can give you a list.

Posted: Aug 06 2012 12:00 am

I've never played Abadox, but the screenshots make it look friggin' creepy.

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Not to be overly cynical or anything, but this is a pretty terrible list. A /lot/ of the games he has on there are just plain awful, and the "order" he puts them in (and then tells people doesn't matter) lacks any kind of sense at all. To me, this looks more like a list of games he knows most people haven't heard of, nearly all very obscure things, with some actual good stuff thrown in for good measure.

Posted: Aug 06 2012 01:32 am

I've got some of the listed non-western releases on my Powerpak, including the real #1 entry, and I can see that I've got some more adding to do down the line. Also, major props for including all 6 NES Mega Man games like on Syd's list.

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I tried to watch a video of Super Mario World NES after seeing you talk about it. The music is so shitty.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 06 2012 03:09 am

Okay, looking at the bottom 10 on that list, I see games that have no business being that low on anyone's top 100 list (Startopics, Guardian Legend), and games that have no fucking business on any top anything list (Golgo 13, Bio Force Ape).

Going to his top 10, just putting Megaman 5 as the second-highest Megaman is grounds for calling the list bullshit.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

Super Mario World NES is NOT good. The physics are kinda fucky, and it goes up to World 4. And it was released in 1995. It took them FOUR YEARS to make that piece of shit. If it had been rushed out after the SNES launch, it'd be acceptable. It still wouldn't be worthy of being the "best" anything though.

You wanna see well done NES hacks that are ACTUALLY well done, Not Sure can give you a list.

Note that the hack was actually an original* game created by some company or individual that creates pirate originals. I've played it, and a handful of titles of the same kind (example). For something of it's kind, it is quite decent. The person who created the list would have been better off to list the Donkey Kong Country NES port (another pirate original), which, though highly abridged, still has decent gameplay (for example, the physics are a lot more faithful to the game it is ripping off).

*original in the sense that the game code, as far as we can tell, is not based off of an existing game. These are generally called "pirate originals".

Posted: Aug 06 2012 08:44 am

Is Kart Fighter on the list? That's the only "pirate original" that I'd consider to be even remotely good.

Every other pirate original can be classified as "Nice try, cute idea, but this is an amateurish pile of shit."

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Aug 06 2012 10:48 am

Mr. Satire wrote:

For something of it's kind, it is quite decent.

That's the problem. It's good compared to others of it's kind. Compared to real games, that have been professionally done, it doesn't hold a candle. That's what this list is supposed to be.

Posted: Aug 06 2012 10:53 am

UsaSatsui wrote:

Mr. Satire wrote:

For something of it's kind, it is quite decent.

That's the problem. It's good compared to others of it's kind. Compared to real games, that have been professionally done, it doesn't hold a candle. That's what this list is supposed to be.

Agree with the bunny.

Being better than Super Mario Bros. 8 doesn't make it good.

The inclusion of Bio Force Ape is also particularly insulting. This is unfinished prototype with 3 playable levels is apparently better than most completed games. Yeah, sure.

Posted: Aug 06 2012 11:06 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

You wanna see well done NES hacks that are ACTUALLY well done, Not Sure can give you a list.

Having finished Minus Infinity, I want to see this list.

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Okay since there is a lot of ranting and raving. What games are not included on the list which should be there?

I think the list may be a troll list since fucking Action 52 is No.1 It doesn't even have to be a bullshit list. It's a totally nonsensical list. However that is still the opinion of that person and i think some of the list is fair enough. It's not a case of my opinion is greater than yours.

Posted: Aug 06 2012 12:28 pm

Action 52 was actually a joke. He also joked that Wall Street Kid was #1. His real #1 is Gimmick!, which, as I've said before, I have on my Powerpak. It's a good platformer, but Mega Man, it ain't.

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"Gimmick" can inhale my bad chicken farts.

Gallery 2 · Posted: Aug 06 2012 01:15 pm

Cameron wrote:

I've never played Abadox, but the screenshots make it look friggin' creepy.

It definitively was if you were a kid, seeing that it was produced by Milton Bradley of all companies. Can't really say this game is good at all, seeing that I only beat the game by using a cheatcode, but it deserved a play at least once just to see freakin' gore in a NES.

Posted: Aug 06 2012 01:34 pm

Milton Bradley only published it in North America. They didn't create it. Still, it's weird that out of all the games they could have picked to publish, they picked that.

The game was developed by Natsume, a Japanese video game company who is best known for their cute, innocuous Harvest Moon series.

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Alowishus wrote:

Okay since there is a lot of ranting and raving. What games are not included on the list which should be there?

I think the list may be a troll list since fucking Action 52 is No.1 It doesn't even have to be a bullshit list. It's a totally nonsensical list. However that is still the opinion of that person and i think some of the list is fair enough. It's not a case of my opinion is greater than yours.

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/leave_ranking_to_the_experts/

Posted: Aug 06 2012 01:59 pm

Vert1 wrote:

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/leave_ranking_to_the_experts/

Whoever wrote that rant is a complete dumbfuck.

Some Douche wrote:

By the way, wanna know the reason why all those ING/LameSpot/Euroretard/etc. lists are always full of shitty Zelda/Mario/Sonic games? Why is it that the top 5 spots of all these lists are always taken up by kids' games? Have you ever seen any games up there at the top that required ACTUAL INTELLIGENCE? Any Galactic Civilizations? Any Total Annihilations? Any Universal Military Simulators? No. It's always the same old fucking kids' games -- and moreover it's always ACTION GAMES. Because of course action games have always been and will always remain superior to strategy games: everyone knows this, so why waste time explaining it? Besides, explaining stuff takes time and effort, and above all BRAINPOWER, whereas the upshot of several decades of everyone playing Zelda/Mario/Sonic games every day is that no one has got any of that left.

Die in a fire, you whiny basement-dwelling fuck.

Part of what makes a game great is its ability to resonate with a large multigenerational audience long after its release date has passed.

The genres he laments should be considered "better" than "kids' games" like Mario and Zelda are/were almost exclusively played by white male adult PC gamers. His cries that others are myopic is a testament to his own myopia. A truly great game transcends demographics. His beloved niche titles do not.

Posted: Aug 06 2012 02:00 pm

Vert1 wrote:

Alowishus wrote:

Okay since there is a lot of ranting and raving. What games are not included on the list which should be there?

I think the list may be a troll list since fucking Action 52 is No.1 It doesn't even have to be a bullshit list. It's a totally nonsensical list. However that is still the opinion of that person and i think some of the list is fair enough. It's not a case of my opinion is greater than yours.

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/leave_ranking_to_the_experts/

Why do you keep citing articles that use phrases like "Listen to me, you fucking imbeciles" and "you stupid fucking cunt" and expect us to take them seriously?

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Syd Lexia wrote:

Vert1 wrote:

http://insomnia.ac/commentary/leave_ranking_to_the_experts/

Whoever wrote that rant is a complete dumbfuck.

This is dumb to you:

Quote:

When you place a game at the number one spot of your fucking retarded, worthless list, you are quite explicitly claiming that the genre that game belongs to is the BEST GENRE EVER, and moreover that the genre the number two game belongs to is the SECOND BEST GENRE EVER, etc. etc. Even if the list is not ranked -- and practically all of them are -- (i.e. if games are listed alphabetically or in chronological order or whatever, but NOT in order of quality), you are still very much ranking genres, because a few seconds' worth of counting would give us the absolute genre ranking implicit in your list (how many FPSes does it contain? how many RTSes? etc.)

Quote:

What I am saying is that an all-genre list may not in itself be a stupid undertaking, but it is an EXTREMELY DIFFICULT one, and if you fancy you have what it takes to attempt it, you must realize that you are no longer ranking games but GENRES; you must, therefore, REVIEW those genres, explaining in detail why the action-adventure or the platformer genre is in your view superior to, say, the turn-based strategy genre or the flight simulator genre. Such a comparison, I repeat, IS POSSIBLE, as long as you have invented beforehand a set of criteria on which to base your judgements. Needless to say, no one has ever so much as contemplated doing this -- a fact, of course, which in no way prevents everyone from carrying on churning out these fucking asinine lists year after year.

???

Come on, Syd. This makes perfect sense.

I mean how are you going to write Final Fantasy is better than Contra without using the above? HMMM???? How is this person validating that Final Fantasy is a better made and designed game than Contra?

Posted: Aug 06 2012 03:27 pm

Vert1, a game's greatness is fairly easy to determine. There are five primary factors:

1. Commercial success
2. Critical success
3. Cultural impact
4. Lasting appeal
5. Cult classic

Also, I detailed potential flaws in my list here: http://www.sydlexia.com/top100nes.htm

I'm also not sure why I'm arguing with you. I suspect that English isn't your first language, and I'm not sure you always completely understand what words, sentences, and paragraphs mean.

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When people do lists, there are usually the same outcomes:

1) It's the same old safe list that's re-printed a million times. Sgt. Pepper's is the best album, Beatles are the best band, Hendrix is the best guitarist, Citizen Kane for movies, and a few big-name video games on rotation, respectively. These get dull to read, and any time someone eschews the list, readers flip the fuck out over the most minute ordering of the lists.

2) A personal taste list from one person where maybe one genre of music/movies/games gets more favor, and readers flip the fuck out when they don't see their personal favorite genre classics in there.

3) A list meant to make the writer look smart. Look up any Pitchfork list, and I guarantee that it's mostly only stuff that the writer has ever listened to, and he's proud of how smart he is for knowing that local band that just howls and smacks their heads against bongos. These really don't serve anything being smugness on the writer's part.

What I liked about Syd's top 100 lists was that he snatched up a bunch of friends with different tastes who all played a crapload of NES games. This accounted for a lot of things, especially wild cards. Every average gamer had that one weird game they got at a garage sale or something that nobody knew about, so while people properly paid homage to the classics in the #20-#1 range, there were some fun outliers I'd never heard of in the higher numbers.

As for this guy's list, I'd like it if he just did a feature on the less well-known games or Japan-only titles. There are some cool looking games here, but it's insulting to have someone tell you that you haven't played the right games because you couldn't import them from Japan as a child.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

Vert1, a game's greatness is fairly easy to determine. There are five primary factors:

1. Commercial success
2. Critical success
3. Cultural impact
4. Lasting appeal
5. Cult classic

Also, I detailed potential flaws in my list here: http://www.sydlexia.com/top100nes.htm

I'm also not sure why I'm arguing with you. I suspect that English isn't your first language, and I'm not sure you always completely understand what words, sentences, and paragraphs mean.

Are you being serious right now?

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