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Anyone have any thoughts on these?

Personally I am really impressed with the overall quality of this device, it's really high quality and they really took a lot of time to get the details just perfect.

As far as a competitor for the iPad goes, I really think it'll eventually surpass the iPad's consumer sales numbers, I don't think it'll be an iPad killer, but it'll definitely slow the sales.

I'm pretty obsessed with these, and I can't wait for their release

Alowishus wrote:

There isn't really much to say. It's clearly a product designed to cash in on the tablet formula. It has Windows 8 which is basically Microsoft trying to be Apple and make a shit operating system for retards lol.

Don't forget that Microsoft started tablet computing back in '02.
Also Windows 8 is pretty much just Windows 7 with a few tweaks, the kernal is still the same, the GUI isn't much different, and even though it has that metro interface, I can look past it.

I think I can get over the metro interface, it's not THAT bad when you look at windows phones and such. Although I do admit, the lack of start button is kind of frusturating. It's kind of a key point for windows users.

Alowishus wrote:

Hacker wrote: Alowishus wrote: There isn't really much to say. It's clearly a product designed to cash in on the tablet formula. It has Windows 8 which is basically Microsoft trying to be Apple and make a shit operating system for retards lol. Don't forget that Microsoft started tablet computing back in '02. Also Windows 8 is pretty much just Windows 7 with a few tweaks, the kernal is still the same, the GUI isn't much different, and even though it has that metro interface, I can look past it. The fact that they started tablet computing is not what i am referring to. Apple popularised the tablet basically with the ipad and Microsoft have decided to basically "copy" those designs in making their product. They aren't totally alike but the same design choices were made in its design. The metro interface is what i mean and it was clearly made with the ipad in mind, the ipads audience or indeed their sort of square button, no bullshit interface. The debate of which one says better basically will never in this case come down to which one is better designed. I mean the Windows one could have more powerful components etc. The metro interface may stop people from buying windows altogether but they wouldn't have bought an ipad either. It really has nothing to do with the designs. If it has a shiny white apple on the side people are going to buy it. That's just the way it is. It's the problem with brand names and the fact that price doesn't always equal better. Apple do this with shitter components and charge more for it. That's just the way it is and it doesn't bother me anymore because you come to realise that there are idiot consumers who know nothing about what they are buying. If you buy a computer because it "looks cool or aesthetically pleasing" i regard you as a tool.

Alright fair enough. But it's hard to say that Microsoft, copied Apple, with their designs. There's not really another way to make a tablet PC that isn't slim, light, and has giant screen. Asus, Acer, and Toshiba (I think), all have Android tablets out that while nowhere near the quality of the iPad or Surface, still manage to share similar designs. Although maybe I'm missing the point of what you're saying by them copying the designs.

Also I mentioned nothing of price at all, if anything they said the price will compete with netbooks.

Personally Surface appeals to me because they really took a lot of time designing this product and it doesn't use shitty components and has a price that gives them an insane amount of profit. It's specs are amazing, magnesium casing, gorilla glass, duo-digitizer, a cooling fan that goes all the way around, able to run high applications like Photoshop, and running a windows OS which means a higher level of flexibility as far as apps and programs go, and higher level of functionality. They've put an insane amount of work into trying to make a quality product. In all fairness though those are just features and barely an indication of the overall power of the device, that has yet to be stated at all.
While you're definitely right about the consumer base buying the iPad because it has an apple logo on it and Apple's the hip thing right now, there'll still be people who want a high performance tablet, whether it be for work or play. But you are right, you can't base the "which one is better" off of the hardware designs, we need more information about the software and the actual power of those hardware designs.

If this seems really out of order or just wonky I'm sorry, I just got up and it's time to go open the store

Syd Lexia wrote:

Tablets are dumb. Desktops for life.

You're just saying that because you've had the same desktop since 2000.
Get with the times!
Or at least get something that isn't going to die any day now.

Ah makes sense. Stupid Kris ruining your dreams of having a good desktop.
Any plans on what you might get?

Also check this out, it's Maximum PC building a decent gaming computer for $1400

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/how_build_ultimate_gaming_pc_step_step

I was just giving you that guide so you can see the basics of getting the most for your money.
you can get a really decent computer for $800

Just gotta know what you want, whether you want a store bought box, or PC you've built up from the ground

GPFontaine wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote: Tablets are dumb. Desktops for life. Says the guy who is rocking a cell phone that is more powerful than his desktop.

Beach Bum wrote:

I just don't really get the appeal of a tablet myself. I can kind of see it if you like reading books on a larger screen than the Kindle or Nook offer or just want something barely lighter than a laptop. I guess I just don't really see losing a real keyboard (the touch screen ones are clunky as hell), a good chunk of power, and a DVD drive for when I want to watch a movie. The iPad wass kind of cool for the first 20 or so minutes I used it but the novelty wears off pretty fast. Having messed around with my brother's it really isn't all that much lighter than my laptop though it is smaller and more portable. He ended up buying some Logitech iPad keyboard stand so that he didn't have to deal with the clunky touchscreen to type stuff and at this point he's spent enough on it to buy at least two decent laptops.

I take it you didn't watch the video... Microsoft is including a touchcover with every Surface. It's a cover that doubles as a full keyboard a trackpad and everything that connects magnetically to the Surface. it also includes an accelerometer to notice when you have the cover folded back so it doesn't star typing while you're holding it
They're releasing the touchcover for standard and then you can buy a tactile cover, which is like your standard laptop keyboard, it also connects magnetically

Mr. Satire wrote:

Hacker wrote: I think I can get over the metro interface, it's not THAT bad when you look at windows phones and such. Although I do admit, the lack of start button is kind of frusturating. It's kind of a key point for windows users. I would have to agree here. Having such a change from what is usually a very consistent product is rather less than desirable. I should note that I have never fully dismissed W8 as terrible. I see it having lots of potential in the tablet market, especially with excellent in form and function tablets for it like the Surface. However, replace "tablet market" with "laptop/desktop market", and I really fail to see any sort of significant potential. I just don't see it working well, even with the "proper desktop as an app" thing they have going on.

We've talked about this before in the IRC, THE DESKTOP IS NOT AN APP!
Sorry for the caps but I can only say it so many times... The Geo Metro thing is an app, the desktop /is/ the desktop. Like windows 7, it's just there.

and to some extent I agree, I don't see windows 8 being too big outside the tablets.

Mr. Satire wrote:

Hacker wrote: Mr. Satire wrote: Hacker wrote: I think I can get over the metro interface, it's not THAT bad when you look at windows phones and such. Although I do admit, the lack of start button is kind of frusturating. It's kind of a key point for windows users. I would have to agree here. Having such a change from what is usually a very consistent product is rather less than desirable. I should note that I have never fully dismissed W8 as terrible. I see it having lots of potential in the tablet market, especially with excellent in form and function tablets for it like the Surface. However, replace "tablet market" with "laptop/desktop market", and I really fail to see any sort of significant potential. I just don't see it working well, even with the "proper desktop as an app" thing they have going on. We've talked about this before in the IRC, THE DESKTOP IS NOT AN APP! Sorry for the caps but I can only say it so many times... The Geo Metro thing is an app, the desktop /is/ the desktop. Like windows 7, it's just there. and to some extent I agree, I don't see windows 8 being too big outside the tablets. For all I could care, it is an app. It has an app icon from which it is accessed by. It isn't the main part of Windows 8, with Metro taking that place.

The Metro is replacing the start button, it isn't the main focus of windows 8!