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Tech Question - Modding AMD Radeon HD 6950


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Atma
Title: Dragoon
Joined: Apr 29 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
PostPosted: Jul 05 2011 09:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

I have a 6950, and this is a little too tech for me. Questions I have...

1) How risky is it, as in to permanently damaging equipment?

2) Is it worth the risk?

3) Would you do it?

4) How easy is this accomplished?

(looking at you GP, Knyte, and Excel if you don't mind)


http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159
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The picture above shows the disabled HD 6950 shaders in red. When unlocked, these deactivated units become active, resulting in a substantial performance increase.

AMD has two methods of locking the shader count on all of their recent GPUs. The first one relies on fuses inside the GPU, or on the substrate - a mechanism similar to Intel's multiplier locking. It is not reversible as far as we know. The second mechanism is the one we are interested in, AMD can configure the VGA BIOS in a way that it disables extra shaders, in addition to the ones disabled via the on-die fuses. This method is mostly used to create engineering samples or reviewer cards that match the target specifications. Usually production cards come with the shader count configured in the fuses, so that it can not be changed.

Apparently currently shipping Radeon HD 6950 cards from all manufacturers - which actually are all the same card with different sticker - have their shaders locked via the BIOS method, so we can exploit it easily.


It has a step by step on the page for how to accompish this.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
PostPosted: Jul 05 2011 10:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

Oh boy...

Short Term:
1. It is probably about 5-10% risk if you follow the directions and understand what you are doing.
2. Performance difference between 6950 and 6970 is ~4.5% in FPS and 3.5% on degrees (F). That is not worth it to me.
3. If I bought it from a store that would take immediate returns, such as BestBuy and planned on using the card for 1-2 years I would do it. I would not do this from an internet purchase or savvy store.
4. I'd say that this is an intermediate tech task. It isn't something you should do unless you have prior experience in overclocking or modding. On the other hand, it isn't like building a home made peltier cooler and overclocking by 1.5GHz.

Long Term:
Consider that the practice of downclocking weaker components has been common practice since the Celeron 300A in 1998.

Think of it this way. I don't know the threshold for a core to be considered in prime condition, but lets pretend that it must be at 90%-100% capability.

All 6950 and 6970 cards have two cores. The first core is always going to be prime condition for both cards. In the 6970, the second core will also be in prime condition. In the 6950 though, the core may be significantly diminished and may only be at 70-89% capability. It functions perfectly at the lower stock clock speeds, but over time, it is being severely strained if you push it beyond those limits. Once again the % I use are not by any means the real ones, but they give you an idea as to how the cores are distributed and what the outcome could be. Only ATI and manufacturers know how different the strength of the cores actually are.

Since I use flat panel monitors that are 60hz, I always put on vertical sync. That limits my output to 60fps. Both cards can push 60fps on most games, so it isn't worth it in my book to push the lower card.

Articles I read about it:
http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/erzl4/buy_an_amd_radeon_hd_6950_make_it_a_hd_6970/



In my personal opinion, I would rather have an nVidia card right now. I currently run an ATI Radeon HD 5850 and it is great, but I like nVidia's drivers better and while this is subjective, I feel like I see stupid glitches with the ATI card that I never saw with my prior nVidia one.



 
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Atma
Title: Dragoon
Joined: Apr 29 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
PostPosted: Jul 05 2011 12:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm not a retard when it comes to computers, but I have literally, LITERALLY, 0% experience with Overclocking. While messing around the ATI program, and with the installed Alienware program, it keeps digital gauges on the desktop showing CPU/Card Temps, Fan Speeds, and Internal Temps which I could, If I knew what I was doing, Alter.

My Monitor can refresh up to 75hz, which really isn't too much more, and I'm quite happy with 60fps and wouldn't want to ruin my card over 15 more fps.

My card was included in the computer when ordered from Alienware.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
PostPosted: Jul 05 2011 03:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Atma wrote:
I'm not a retard when it comes to computers, but I have literally, LITERALLY, 0% experience with Overclocking. While messing around the ATI program, and with the installed Alienware program, it keeps digital gauges on the desktop showing CPU/Card Temps, Fan Speeds, and Internal Temps which I could, If I knew what I was doing, Alter.

My Monitor can refresh up to 75hz, which really isn't too much more, and I'm quite happy with 60fps and wouldn't want to ruin my card over 15 more fps.

My card was included in the computer when ordered from Alienware.

If you are happy with the performance of the card, do not fuck with it. It isn't worth it. Also, Alienware/Dell would classify as one of those "savvy" shops.



 
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