SydLexia.com - The Forums :: View topic - COICA

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

The COICA Internet Censorship and Copyright Bill

Quote:

The "Combating Online Infringements and Counterfeits Act" (COICA) is an Internet censorship bill which is rapidly making its way through the Senate. Although it is ostensibly focused on copyright infringement, an enormous amount of noninfringing content, including political and other speech, could disappear off the Web if it passes.

https://www.eff.org/coica

The case against COICA
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/11/case-against-coica

Another website dedicated to fighting COICA
http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/coica

Pretty much, the COICA will fuck up the internet beyond belief if it is put in place. The US will pretty much be acting like China.

Posted: Nov 17 2010 01:36 pm

How many stories like this have we heard this year so far?

Posted: Nov 17 2010 01:40 pm

I'd be more worried if this information was on dot-com sites. Everyone knows that dot-org sites are run by idiots, hippies, and other nouns that are also synonyms for "idiots".

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

The reason why this is newsworthy now is because tomorrow the Senate Judiciary Committee will be determining if it is worthy of further discussion and if it should continue on the path to becoming a law.

Syd Lexia wrote:

I'd be more worried if this information was on dot-com sites. Everyone knows that dot-org sites are run by idiots, hippies, and other nouns that are also synonyms for "idiots".

The Bill (Dot GOV)
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:s3804:

The Senate Judiciary Discussion of the Bill (Dot GOV)
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/hearing.cfm?id=4859

Explanation of the Bill (Dot US)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-3804

Educational fight against it (Dot EDU)
http://www.temple.edu/lawschool/dpost/COICA.html

News Story about the Bill (Dot COM)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-segal/stop-the-internet-blackli_b_739836.html

News Story about the Bill (Dot COM)
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101116/10554811889/coica-back-up-for-a-vote-this-week-so-universal-music-ramps-up-astroturf-campaign.shtml

Banned Joined: Sep 13 2008 Posts: 3129

NO....NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!
NO!

Piracy issues aside, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In other words this has the potential to become a biased system that ultimately limit free speech

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

Hacker wrote:

NO....NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!
NO!

Piracy issues aside, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In other words this has the potential to become a biased system that ultimately limit free speech

Very much so.

While workarounds are possible, it would destroy public trust in the US Internet... which is currently the virtual center for the rest of the world.

Posted: Nov 17 2010 05:45 pm

Hacker wrote:

Piracy issues aside, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
In other words this has the potential to become a biased system that ultimately limit free speech

This, a thousand times this.

Posted: Nov 17 2010 05:49 pm

Oh hell no. Not nobody, not nohow.

Posted: Nov 17 2010 05:50 pm

Guess it's time to start buying terabyte hard drives and archiving all the internet's free porn.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Nov 17 2010 08:58 pm

I have a great idea. Why don't we get a bunch of soldiers to monitor every single file downloaded off the internet, give them the right to pull it aside and examine it if they think it's the least bit suspicious, and pay special attention to you if you're from a group of people that are likely to be "pirates"?

It works so well in airports.

2011 SNES Champ Joined: Dec 04 2006 Posts: 1929

Is the internet owned by the US or something? I don't understand how they expect everybody to put up with their shit.

Wizard Joined: Jun 12 2009 Posts: 4209

lavalarva wrote:

Is the internet owned by the US or something? I don't understand how they expect everybody to put up with their shit.

That crossed my mind. But I'm more concerned how websites not involved in politics or whatever they said are affected. To use an example you all know I'm extremely familiar with, 4chan (and while it may not be such a bad thing to see it go, it would cause a hell of an uproar). What if they decide to 'censor' that entire place? Not very likely, but a lot of things you wouldn't expect to happen have been occuring lately. -obvious attempt to express my laziness in finding examples-

Joined: Jun 08 2010 Location: Termina Field Posts: 1541

I agree with hacker and SH. Even though I don't live in America, I could imagine that if this happens, other countries could follow suit, and if this deletes sites instead of blocking them, well... start buying those 1TB drives. This would be the biggest dick move I've ever seen. Evil

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

The US does not own the Internet. They can however control it within the US borders by dictating policy to the ISPs and DNS providers.

Like I said, it can be worked around, but it will be a blow to the credibility of the US because we will appear to be acting like China.

Lets make it very clear, if you are not against this law, you are in favor of modern day communism and therefore a communist.

USA, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic about the original topic, the fact that I wrote it, or dragging another topic into this thread.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

You stupid dumb shit goddamn motherfuckers!

arstechnica.com wrote:

This morning, COICA unanimously passed the Senate Judiciary Committee.

http://www.reddit.com/r/cyberlaws/comments/e87l4/coica_senate_judiciary_committee_results/

Posted: Nov 18 2010 02:27 pm

So what the hell does this mean now? Did that vote put it into effect? or whats the next step?

Posted: Nov 18 2010 02:31 pm

Atma wrote:

So what the hell does this mean now? Did that vote put it into effect? or what the next step?

No. As I understand it, they voted to allow more discussion of possibly allowing to actually come to a vote at some point. It would have been nice to see it just batted down entirely, but there's no harm in them discussing it. If it ever comes to an actual vote, there'll be a huge public outcry.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

SoldierHawk wrote:

Atma wrote:

So what the hell does this mean now? Did that vote put it into effect? or what the next step?

No. As I understand it, they voted to allow more discussion of possibly allowing to actually come to a vote at some point. It would have been nice to see it just batted down entirely, but there's no harm in them discussing it. If it ever comes to an actual vote, there'll be a huge public outcry.

In their words, they vote to "consider pending nominations and legislation".

It isn't a huge loss, but it would have been nice if it had just been swept aside forever.

Posted: Nov 18 2010 05:31 pm

Aren't they using the whole "Terrorists can haxors in to our power & defense grids and shut them down ON NOES bullshit excuse to push this through, despite having been told time and time again that's not how it works? Confused

Posted: Nov 18 2010 06:05 pm

Drew Linky wrote:

lavalarva wrote:

Is the internet owned by the US or something? I don't understand how they expect everybody to put up with their shit.

That crossed my mind. But I'm more concerned how websites not involved in politics or whatever they said are affected. To use an example you all know I'm extremely familiar with, 4chan (and while it may not be such a bad thing to see it go, it would cause a hell of an uproar). What if they decide to 'censor' that entire place? Not very likely, but a lot of things you wouldn't expect to happen have been occuring lately. -obvious attempt to express my laziness in finding examples-

Off topic, but what exactly is 4chan? I've heard of it, but I've been reluctant to go there and see for myself because I've heard bad things about the content.

Posted: Nov 18 2010 06:21 pm

Ice, 4chan is an ungodly imageboard that's focused around making fun of and offending mostly everybody. Trust your instinct on this one, the things you've been told are true. I tried visiting once, i then wanted to claw my eyes out shortly after.

Posted: Nov 18 2010 08:13 pm

E. Most Peninsula wrote:

Ice, 4chan is an ungodly imageboard that's focused around making fun of and offending mostly everybody. Trust your instinct on this one, the things you've been told are true. I tried visiting once, i then wanted to claw my eyes out shortly after.

I had this experience as well. I actually accidentally (sort of) stumbled on 4chan while trying to learn more about Anonymous. I heard vaguely that they hung out at a board called /b...and was never the same after that. Most traumatic mouse click EVER.

Banned Joined: Sep 13 2008 Posts: 3129

SoldierHawk wrote:

E. Most Peninsula wrote:

Ice, 4chan is an ungodly imageboard that's focused around making fun of and offending mostly everybody. Trust your instinct on this one, the things you've been told are true. I tried visiting once, i then wanted to claw my eyes out shortly after.

I had this experience as well. I actually accidentally (sort of) stumbled on 4chan while trying to learn more about Anonymous. I heard vaguely that they hung out at a board called /b...and was never the same after that. Most traumatic mouse click EVER.

The horrors of 4chan are indeed scary.
I've seen sick, disgusting, inhumane things on that board.
Now back to the original topic
-------------------------
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/11/pirate-slaying-censorship-bill-gets-unanimous-support.ars

Quote:

Public Knowledge president Gigi Sohn, who pledged to craft a "more narrowly tailored bill" next year to deal with "rogue websites."

... "I declare that this site is evil and does stuff other than what it says it wants to do. Let's block it"
Roughly translated I think it means that.

This is annoying... internet neutrality is a good system.
Quite often I've been known to say "If you want to know how to fix a system talk to someone who can intelligently break it". What this bill (and the aforementioned potential bill) is doing is applying a lazy solution to a small problem. This is big software companies, hollywood, and music companies all saying "Fuck it, let's put the government in charge of a system they nor us have little control over".

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Nov 18 2010 09:35 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

Usa, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic about the original topic, the fact that I wrote it, or dragging another topic into this thread.

No, I'm serious. I'm curious as to how someone can support the kind of security measures taken at certain foreign airports to find one kind of criminal, but be so opposed to similar measures being proposed online to find another kind.

Is it because most of us here actually are the type of criminal this law wants to find?

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

UsaSatsui wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

Usa, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic about the original topic, the fact that I wrote it, or dragging another topic into this thread.

No, I'm serious. I'm curious as to how someone can support the kind of security measures taken at certain foreign airports to find one kind of criminal, but be so opposed to similar measures being proposed online to find another kind.

Is it because most of us here actually are the type of criminal this law wants to find?

This is like arguing that shoplifters and murderers should pay the same penalty and security for them should be equal. It is a ridiculous premis to compare airport security to copyright infringement.

I don't condone what people do with torrents and I think that there does need to be reform, but censorship isn't the right way and certainly not censorship dictated by corporations.