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Canada's Contempt - WTF is going on?


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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Mar 21 2011 10:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I wish I could say that I understand... but I don't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/world/americas/22canada.html

Could someone simplify what the fuck is going on in Canada? It sounds like the guy in charge up there is in big trouble.

Does that mean he'll be exiled to Quebec?



 
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lavalarva
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PostPosted: Mar 21 2011 10:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

For a few years the Conservative Party's ads were all of the type "OMG Michael Ignatieff SUXORZ!!1!!" so I have no idea what they do or really care for that matter.

But it's not like it'll make any difference no matter what happens. Liberals are always lying in elections, Conservatives say stupid shit but somehow get elected anyway,
Bloc Québécois is now mostly for whining all the time (I like them better though, cause they do nothing), and the NPD has good ideas but is the most ignored party ever.

Anybody remember Rona Ambrose? When your environment sucks so much you don't even let her talk when you announce your new "Environmental plan"... Razz
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Blackout
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PostPosted: Mar 21 2011 11:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I like Canada's trees.



 
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 12:11 am Reply with quote Back to top

Blackout wrote:
I like Canada's trees.


Heh.

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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 12:15 am Reply with quote Back to top

Blackout wrote:
I like Canada's trees.


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bassguy252
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 01:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

Eh nothing will change, I doubt we will even get an election, the liberals know they cant win (they suck anyways) and the NDP are pretty easy to buy off as long as their ideas are put through in the budget.


Let's assume it's a mixture of the two!


 
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 02:16 am Reply with quote Back to top

Is this one going to get locked before we find out how the turkey ended up in a cop car?


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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 08:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

So the leader of the country is going to be in trouble and the reaction is that no one really gives a shit because the next guy will do the same thing.



 
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UsaSatsui
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 08:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
So the leader of the country is going to be in trouble and the reaction is that no one really gives a shit because the next guy will do the same thing.

From what I understand, Canada doesn't elect the Prime Minister. They elect a political party, that party chooses members of Parliament based upon the percentage of the vote they got, and Parliament chooses the PM. A "vote of no confidence" is a vote to essentially dissolve the government and start over. The reason they're saying nothing will change is because it's likely the same party will win again, and maybe even choose the same PM.

If I have any of this wrong, I'm sure one of our Canucky friends will correct me.
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 10:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
So the leader of the country is going to be in trouble and the reaction is that no one really gives a shit because the next guy will do the same thing.

From what I understand, Canada doesn't elect the Prime Minister. They elect a political party, that party chooses members of Parliament based upon the percentage of the vote they got, and Parliament chooses the PM. A "vote of no confidence" is a vote to essentially dissolve the government and start over. The reason they're saying nothing will change is because it's likely the same party will win again, and maybe even choose the same PM.

If I have any of this wrong, I'm sure one of our Canucky friends will correct me.

Seems like it should be a rule that if you are the PM and are taken out, you should not be allowed to go back.



 
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 12:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, this isn't as serious as an impeachment hearing. It's just posturing and bravado by the parties not in charge. There are two major parties in Canada, the Liberals and Conservatives, two minor parties, the NDP and the Bloc-Quebecois, and a couple insignificant parties, the Green party and the Weed party for example.

Each party has a leader who, if the party wins the most seats in the House of Commons, will become the Prime Minister. House seats are voted in local districts, with bigger provinces representing more seats. Ontario has over 100 of the 308 seats, whereas PEI has only 4.

If a party wins 154+ seats, they have a majority government, and can basically do whatever the hell they want in terms of changing policies and things. If they winner has less than 154, they have a minority gov't, and policy changes have to be approved in the House.

Satsui was pretty much right about the 'no confidence' thing. It's just a way for the people not winning to restart the race and hope they do better. Right now the Conservatives have a minority gov't, and a few years ago there was a debacle where the Liberals tried to team up with the other two parties and take over. It was really scary because people were supportive of this, even though no one knew what they would do as a 'three-headed' party as they hadn't announced any platform. The Bloc is always trying to get Quebec to secede from Canada, and while half the Quebec population might want that, the rest of Canada does not.


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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 12:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm pretty sure the reason the US has never adopted this is because we would get even less done in govt. than normal that way. Well, that and the fact that it's necessary, from our leaders' (indicating plural, as in Congresspeople/Senate; I'm not just trying to bash Obama or something) standpoint, to do something that won't continually reinforce the two party illusion/stranglehold.


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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 01:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
So the leader of the country is going to be in trouble and the reaction is that no one really gives a shit because the next guy will do the same thing.

That's canada! As with most elections it is nothing but a vote between a turd sandwich and a giant douche. In the next election Steven Harper=turd sandwich Michael Ignatieff=giant douche. And ofcourse Jack Layton the guy you vote for if you want to vote but don't really want it to count.

Canada is a mixed economy. This means althought it is capitalist it is also communist (OMG). The goverment is usually ran by a bunch of babies who argue all afternoon. But in all, technically the leader is the Govener General. You almost never see the Govener General and their main job is to fill in for the absense of the queen. Michelle-Jean was the last one I think. Not sure who the current GG is. I heard people wanted William Shatner as GG. He does speak english and french at least. Which the only qaulification I know of. Laughing


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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 01:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The dad character on You Can't Do That On Television was a Canadian Senator. He sat around all day doing nothing.
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 02:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

aeonic wrote:
I'm pretty sure the reason the US has never adopted this is because we would get even less done in govt. than normal that way. Well, that and the fact that it's necessary, from our leaders' (indicating plural, as in Congresspeople/Senate; I'm not just trying to bash Obama or something) standpoint, to do something that won't continually reinforce the two party illusion/stranglehold.


We adopted a Parliamentary system (House and Senate) for legislature, but the reason we didn't adopt this way of choosing our head of government is the separation of powers, and the idea that the US is a federation of sovereign states. Our head of government is not chosen by the Congress, it's chosen by the the states (or, more accurately today, it's chosen by the people using the state as a proxy).
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 03:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The current govenor general is: David Lloyd Johnston. Who ever the hell he is. This is what I hate about this country 90% of the people have no clue who the fuck this guy is and the other 10% just don't care.

I'm Canadian and I still haven't figured out wtf a govenor general actually does. Anyone want to tell me? I hate being so ignorant.


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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 03:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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lavalarva
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PostPosted: Mar 22 2011 05:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

He's a representant of the Queen of England. It's symbolic. And completely useless.
But some places in English Canada absolutely love the Queen for some reason, as if we didn't gain sovereignty in 1867 and still had any fucking reason to give a shit.

And the Bloc Québécois isn't trying to make Québec secede from the Canada, that's the Parti Québécois. The Bloc Québécois can't really do much.
Originally, it was because Québec kept being screwed over by Liberals despite us giving like 96% of the seats here. Then we voted Conservatives, same result.
So the Bloc Québécois was created so we could vote for a Party that didn't completely ignore us. Though now I don't know what they're supposed to be doing anymore.

But actually it's more like Liberals only care about Ontario and Conservatives only care about Alberta, and everybody else can go fuck themselves.

Personally, I vote NPD. It's the only Party that isn't completely retarded IMO, and in minority governments they actually have some power.
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