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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 08:15 am Reply with quote Back to top

When Chrome 13 is released (within about 2-6 weeks) Google will begin to pre-render their top search results that they believe you will click on. This pre-caching will give the appearance that the web is loading faster. In truth it is just loading earlier.

Conditions for this to work:
1. The web browser must support the code.
2. The code must be present in HTML.

This isn't new tech, it is simply old tech that has been polished and is now being used more correctly. Every page can't be pre-fetched or it would kill loading. On a page like SydLexia.com this type of thing might work well you are reading a thread with multiple pages. The link to the next page in the thread being pre-cached would make sense.

When Chrome 13 is released I can toy with it and see how it works.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 10:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.


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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 10:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

sidewaydriver wrote:
But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.

The idea for Google is to make the web look as fast as a native application. This will make more people think that it is an adequate substitute for local compiled apps.

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars



 
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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 10:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

sidewaydriver wrote:
But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.

Pretty sure this has to do with that thing up in Michigan with all those black women getting shot in the head. Oh? Never heard about that? Typical.


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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 10:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

so, its kind of like how AOL & netzero used to do w/their 'dial up accelerator'?


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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 11:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

Klimbatize wrote:
sidewaydriver wrote:
But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.

Pretty sure this has to do with that thing up in Michigan with all those black women getting shot in the head. Oh? Never heard about that? Typical.
No, my browser wouldn't pre-load the article fast enough.


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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 12:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I swear, I never laugh as hard as when I'm on here.


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PostPosted: Jun 20 2011 08:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah but what exactly are you laughing about? You're in on it too aren't you?! Mad



 
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PostPosted: Jun 21 2011 08:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
sidewaydriver wrote:
But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.

The idea for Google is to make the web look as fast as a native application. This will make more people think that it is an adequate substitute for local compiled apps.

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars

Well, I find Google's feature unnecessary if that's why it is there, since cloud applications that I use (Gmail, Google Docs) run fast enough on any other browser ever that I have used. Also, general websites work fast enough already ever since I got DSL Internet, and now ADSL2+ Internet. In fact, Google Docs is even faster than the non-cloud Microsoft Office.


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PostPosted: Jun 21 2011 09:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Not bein a dick but just because it's fast enough for you doesn't mean it can't be faster.


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PostPosted: Jun 21 2011 09:51 am Reply with quote Back to top

That's what she said?
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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Jun 21 2011 09:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

Mr. Satire wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
sidewaydriver wrote:
But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.

The idea for Google is to make the web look as fast as a native application. This will make more people think that it is an adequate substitute for local compiled apps.

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars

Well, I find Google's feature unnecessary if that's why it is there, since cloud applications that I use (Gmail, Google Docs) run fast enough on any other browser ever that I have used. Also, general websites work fast enough already ever since I got DSL Internet, and now ADSL2+ Internet. In fact, Google Docs is even faster than the non-cloud Microsoft Office.

They don't care what you think. They are invested heavily in HTML/CSS/JavaScript. Speed will continue to be something they strive to improve.

As far as Word vs Google Docs, I have not seen the same speed, reliability, or functionality from a web client yet. Oh, don't get me wrong, it is close and getting better. It just isn't the same yet.

I actually think pre-rendering has its uses. It only hurts you if your bandwidth is restricted by your ISP. Otherwise, it should improve your experience when used appropriately.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 21 2011 10:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Mr. Satire wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
sidewaydriver wrote:
But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.

The idea for Google is to make the web look as fast as a native application. This will make more people think that it is an adequate substitute for local compiled apps.

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars

Well, I find Google's feature unnecessary if that's why it is there, since cloud applications that I use (Gmail, Google Docs) run fast enough on any other browser ever that I have used. Also, general websites work fast enough already ever since I got DSL Internet, and now ADSL2+ Internet. In fact, Google Docs is even faster than the non-cloud Microsoft Office.

They don't care what you think. They are invested heavily in HTML/CSS/JavaScript. Speed will continue to be something they strive to improve.

As far as Word vs Google Docs, I have not seen the same speed, reliability, or functionality from a web client yet. Oh, don't get me wrong, it is close and getting better. It just isn't the same yet.

I actually think pre-rendering has its uses. It only hurts you if your bandwidth is restricted by your ISP. Otherwise, it should improve your experience when used appropriately.

I use Google Docs for almost all my documents, and it has yet to annoy me in some way. Although the features you get are limited compared to a desktop app, I find them all I really need. For speed, Google Docs opens it's file browser, word processor, spreadsheet editor, etc. much faster than any edition of Microsoft Office I have used. For relability, I have seen some issues in Google Docs that were fixed by refreshing the page, not reopening the whole program.


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PostPosted: Jun 21 2011 11:46 am Reply with quote Back to top

Mr. Satire wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
Mr. Satire wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
sidewaydriver wrote:
But does anybody really need this kind of speed? This is definitely a smokescreen for something.

The idea for Google is to make the web look as fast as a native application. This will make more people think that it is an adequate substitute for local compiled apps.

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars

Well, I find Google's feature unnecessary if that's why it is there, since cloud applications that I use (Gmail, Google Docs) run fast enough on any other browser ever that I have used. Also, general websites work fast enough already ever since I got DSL Internet, and now ADSL2+ Internet. In fact, Google Docs is even faster than the non-cloud Microsoft Office.

They don't care what you think. They are invested heavily in HTML/CSS/JavaScript. Speed will continue to be something they strive to improve.

As far as Word vs Google Docs, I have not seen the same speed, reliability, or functionality from a web client yet. Oh, don't get me wrong, it is close and getting better. It just isn't the same yet.

I actually think pre-rendering has its uses. It only hurts you if your bandwidth is restricted by your ISP. Otherwise, it should improve your experience when used appropriately.

I use Google Docs for almost all my documents, and it has yet to annoy me in some way. Although the features you get are limited compared to a desktop app, I find them all I really need. For speed, Google Docs opens it's file browser, word processor, spreadsheet editor, etc. much faster than any edition of Microsoft Office I have used. For relability, I have seen some issues in Google Docs that were fixed by refreshing the page, not reopening the whole program.

If you are just writing lists of stuff or letters to your friends, Docs is perfect. If you are writing papers that have more formatting or special tools, you might not be as happy.
* Citation tools are limited
* Page numbering isn't easily customized
* Footers and Headers are hard to adjust
* Numbered lists can't be resumed when broken
* Line padding/spacing isn't the same

Don't get me wrong, it is growing in a positive way. It just isn't perfect yet. Video acceleration will help a lot in the upcoming months, and page speed improvements will help too. However, precaching won't really impact documents like this because why would they be preloaded?

Also Excel vs Spreadsheet isn't even close. If you are just presenting tables, great, but pivot tables are infinitely better in Excel. Additionally conditional formatting is stronger, and in general text formatting is better in Word.

Honestly, comparing these two things isn't fair or reasonable. Office has every bell or whistle that you can imagine from the last several decades of development. Docs is a strong web based offering that gives a free, reasonable alternative that has about 99% of the popular features. Once you need more than the popular features though, these are not comparable products, and that is partially due to the fact that the Web is not as robust a platform as compiled code... that is what Google is trying to fix.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 22 2011 05:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

See, this is why I switched all my porn browsing to Firefox. Chrome's ridiculous autofill memory makes it way too easy for some asshole using my computer to find all my disgusting history.
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PostPosted: Jun 22 2011 07:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

Fighter_McWarrior wrote:
See, this is why I switched all my porn browsing to Firefox. Chrome's ridiculous autofill memory makes it way too easy for some asshole using my computer to find all my disgusting history.

That can be turned on and off...

Also, it is true for all browsers by default to cache your browsing.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 22 2011 12:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Fighter_McWarrior wrote:
See, this is why I switched all my porn browsing to Firefox. Chrome's ridiculous autofill memory makes it way too easy for some asshole using my computer to find all my disgusting history.

That can be turned on and off...

Also, it is true for all browsers by default to cache your browsing.

you can also just surf incognito on chrome


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PostPosted: Jun 23 2011 05:05 am Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah I assumed that was the primary if not only reason for incognito mode...



 
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Privacy mode, sometimes informally referred to as "porn mode",[1] is a term that refers to privacy features in some web browsers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_mode



 
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PostPosted: Jun 23 2011 08:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Fighter_McWarrior wrote:
See, this is why I switched all my porn browsing to Firefox. Chrome's ridiculous autofill memory makes it way too easy for some asshole using my computer to find all my disgusting history.

That can be turned on and off...

Also, it is true for all browsers by default to cache your browsing.


It was a joke, guys....
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PostPosted: Jun 23 2011 09:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars


Yeah didn't they rescind that like two days later saying they weren't going to go with a new architecture.
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PostPosted: Jun 24 2011 08:14 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hacker wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars


Yeah didn't they rescind that like two days later saying they weren't going to go with a new architecture.

I haven't seen an article about it. Post it. I'd like to read.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 24 2011 06:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Hacker wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars


Yeah didn't they rescind that like two days later saying they weren't going to go with a new architecture.

I haven't seen an article about it. Post it. I'd like to read.

I can't find it now, I read it way back before school ended like aprilish maybe early may.

Also from what I'm looking there will be two versions of windows 8, one for ARM chipsets and the other for Intel

Also

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2015242197_brier06.html

Quote:
Q: Will Windows 8 run my programs?

A: Mostly. Microsoft said programs that run on Windows 7 will run on Windows 8.

But there is a big exception, apparently. Windows 8 tablets based on mobile ARM processors may not support programs built for Windows on Intel architecture. More details about compatibility will be released in September.


So it looks like it will be a /bit/ backwards compatible.

See I was all excited for windows 8, but now I think Microsoft's just throwing stuff out there to say "See look, we're just as good as apple"
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PostPosted: Jun 24 2011 08:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hacker wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
Hacker wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:

If you actually care you can understand and read how Microsoft kinda agrees:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/html5-centric-windows-8-leaves-microsoft-developers-horrified.ars


Yeah didn't they rescind that like two days later saying they weren't going to go with a new architecture.

I haven't seen an article about it. Post it. I'd like to read.

I can't find it now, I read it way back before school ended like aprilish maybe early may.

Also from what I'm looking there will be two versions of windows 8, one for ARM chipsets and the other for Intel

Also

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2015242197_brier06.html

Quote:
Q: Will Windows 8 run my programs?

A: Mostly. Microsoft said programs that run on Windows 7 will run on Windows 8.

But there is a big exception, apparently. Windows 8 tablets based on mobile ARM processors may not support programs built for Windows on Intel architecture. More details about compatibility will be released in September.


So it looks like it will be a /bit/ backwards compatible.

See I was all excited for windows 8, but now I think Microsoft's just throwing stuff out there to say "See look, we're just as good as apple"

And you expected Microsoft to abandon the backwards compatibility that it has preserved since win16? That almost anything that ran on your old computer will run on your new one has been one of the key selling features of Windows for a long time.


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